WJC: 2023 Team Canada Roster Talk

[PecnoTrunk]

Oddly enough 2013 was an all star team sabotaged by Steve Spott; that might have been the best roster of the past decade

Was that with the “cape” of champions fiasco ??

 

[Lockin17]

Their offense has 4 first ballot hall of famers, won every single individual award in the league multiple times, and has multiple 1000+ game, 1000+ point players.

This offense is nothing remotely close to the 2005 teams offense.

The best draft class in the past 30 years, with a year long lockout in their 19 year old seasons. Of course it will be the best team. It had 10ish players who would've been in the NHL otherwise.

this is a prediction not a fact,, only time will tell

 

[57special]

My prediction for the galaxy brain omission this year is Korchinski. He can be a bit frightening in his own end, and with Clarke and Zellweger possessing high-end offensive ability, it wouldn't shock me if they left off the risky (but extremely talented) 04 for a more two-way or defensive-minded 03.

I can't see it. Korchinski is just too good....maybe if he was 5'10", not 6'3".

 

[Statsy]

Was that with the “cape” of champions fiasco ??

"Cape of champions"? I must have missed that. What are you referencing there? Sounds interesting!

 

[BondraTime]

this is a prediction not a fact,, only time will tell

Sure, doesn't take away from the fact that you saying that the offense being better this year is extremely out there

The 2005 team is likely the best WJC team that there will ever be, +35 in a 6 game tournament, with 5+ hall of fame players, it's not happening again.

 

[JackSlater]

Looks like Canada has a potentially very strong team but let's not go seriously comparing it to the best WJC team of all time. Without even looking at how dominant the team was on the ice or the scoring statistics, that team had six forwards who would play for Canada at the best on best level as well as two defencemen. It also brought back the dominant defenceman from the previous year's tournament and brought back the best line from the previous year but used it only as a third line.

"Cape of champions"? I must have missed that. What are you referencing there? Sounds interesting!

I believe that in addition to Hockey Canada's special lamps, the 2013 team used a cape for player of the game. In this century the 2013 team really stands out, with 2016 and 2019, as an extremely poorly coached team.

 

[BondraTime]

Looks like Canada has a potentially very strong team but let's not go seriously comparing it to the best WJC team of all time. Without even looking at how dominant the team was on the ice or the scoring statistics, that team had six forwards who would play for Canada at the best on best level as well as two defencemen. It also brought back the dominant defenceman from the previous year's tournament and brought back the best line from the previous year but used it only as a third line.



I believe that in addition to Hockey Canada's special lamps, the 2013 team used a cape for player of the game. In this century the 2013 team really stands out, with 2016 and 2019, as an extremely poorly coached team.

Yeah, hard to take that seriously

 

[PecnoTrunk]

I just saw McKenzie and Craig button do an analysis of team Canada ( I disregard anything that comes out of Craig button mouth as he is just a sham for team USA ) but team canada seems to be fast and big

 

[Statsy]

Looks like Canada has a potentially very strong team but let's not go seriously comparing it to the best WJC team of all time. Without even looking at how dominant the team was on the ice or the scoring statistics, that team had six forwards who would play for Canada at the best on best level as well as two defencemen. It also brought back the dominant defenceman from the previous year's tournament and brought back the best line from the previous year but used it only as a third line.



I believe that in addition to Hockey Canada's special lamps, the 2013 team used a cape for player of the game. In this century the 2013 team really stands out, with 2016 and 2019, as an extremely poorly coached team.

The cape is no more silly than any other player-of-the-game award. Spott's biggest failure in that event is that he made no effort to pump the team up before the big match-up with the US. No emotional, rousing "let's f'ing goooo!!!" speech at all. He wanted to keep things the same as they had been during an easy prelim round and we came out flatter than a plate of water against an American team that stormed out of the room like they'd just been railing coke!

 

[JackSlater]

The cape is no more silly than any other player-of-the-game award. Spott's biggest failure in that event is that he made no effort to pump the team up before the big match-up with the US. No emotional, rousing "let's f'ing goooo!!!" speech at all. He wanted to keep things the same as they had been during an easy prelim round and we came out flatter than a plate of water against an American team that stormed out of the room like they'd just been railing coke!

The cape isn't the problem in and of itself, nor is any sort of speech. The problem was that Canada was not playing very effective hockey but the team never even attempted to change. Canada beat the small teams, narrowly beat a USA team that played like crap the first game, sleepwalked through Russia mainly on the back of Nugent-Hopkins, but the team never looked convincing and Nugent-Hopkins got hurt by the semi-finals. There was a complacency, also notably there in 2016, and a failure to look beyond a few good scores at how the team was really playing. This was something that plenty of people noticed along the way as well, just not the coaches.

USA still may have beaten Canada in 2013 even with good coaching as that was a very talented team, but it shouldn't have been embarrassing. In 2016 a disciplined Canadian team would have won the quarterfinal game against Finland comfortably, but that team never showed it.

 

[Statsy]

The cape isn't the problem in and of itself, nor is any sort of speech. The problem was that Canada was not playing very effective hockey but the team never even attempted to change. Canada beat the small teams, narrowly beat a USA team that played like crap the first game, sleepwalked through Russia mainly on the back of Nugent-Hopkins, but the team never looked convincing and Nugent-Hopkins got hurt by the semi-finals. There was a complacency, also notably there in 2016, and a failure to look beyond a few good scores at how the team was really playing. This was something that plenty of people noticed along the way as well, just not the coaches.

USA still may have beaten Canada in 2013 even with good coaching as that was a very talented team, but it shouldn't have been embarrassing. In 2016 a disciplined Canadian team would have won the quarterfinal game against Finland comfortably, but that team never showed it.

Yes, there may have been reasons on the more technical side as well, but make no mistake about the fact that hockey is played on emotion and we were flat from the get-go and never recovered. Failure to get your players ready for the game falls on the coach. By the way, this isn't a guess on my part, this was Spott's admission after the game.

 

[JackSlater]

Yes, there may have been reasons on the more technical side as well, but make no mistake about the fact that hockey is played on emotion and we were flat from the get-go and never recovered. Failure to get your players ready for the game falls on the coach. By the way, this isn't a guess on my part, this was Spott's admission after the game.

Spott might think that, but he's also an idiot. It's a lot easier for him to think that he should have made a speech than to think that he is an inept coach fundamentally. The team was unimpressive in the lead up to that game and changed nothing. No speech from an oaf was going to change things significantly in that game.

 

[Statsy]

Spott might think that, but he's also an idiot. It's a lot easier for him to think that he should have made a speech than to think that he is an inept coach fundamentally. The team was unimpressive in the lead up to that game and changed nothing. No speech from an oaf was going to change things significantly in that game.

I respectfully disagree. Are you telling me you've never played an do-or-die elimination hockey game before? Did your team not pump themselves up? I've never been on one that didn't try to get it's motor running before the game. It doesn't take a genius to do that, even Spott could have managed the feat... If he tried.

 

[HaveKnifeWillButcher]

I just saw McKenzie and Craig button do an analysis of team Canada ( I disregard anything that comes out of Craig button mouth as he is just a sham for team USA ) but team canada seems to be fast and big

In what way is Craig Button a shill for team USA (assuming that's what you meant)?

 

[Gold Standard]

"Cape of champions"? I must have missed that. What are you referencing there? Sounds interesting!

The cape isn't the problem in and of itself, nor is any sort of speech. The problem was that Canada was not playing very effective hockey but the team never even attempted to change. Canada beat the small teams, narrowly beat a USA team that played like crap the first game, sleepwalked through Russia mainly on the back of Nugent-Hopkins, but the team never looked convincing and Nugent-Hopkins got hurt by the semi-finals. There was a complacency, also notably there in 2016, and a failure to look beyond a few good scores at how the team was really playing. This was something that plenty of people noticed along the way as well, just not the coaches.

USA still may have beaten Canada in 2013 even with good coaching as that was a very talented team, but it shouldn't have been embarrassing. In 2016 a disciplined Canadian team would have won the quarterfinal game against Finland comfortably, but that team never showed it.

And the team included a Strome. My expectations for a Team Canada gold fall to zero when a Strome brother is included on the roster.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

And the team included a Strome. My expectations for a Team Canada gold fall to zero when a Strome brother is included on the roster.

Oh boy , those strome brothers were hyped up. I remember all the hype only to flop

Oh boy , those strome brothers were hyped up. I remember all the hype only to flop

Even I thought they were going to be superstars but they were no better then 4th liners. Especially one of them

 

[JackSlater]

I respectfully disagree. Are you telling me you've never played an do-or-die elimination hockey game before? Did your team not pump themselves up? I've never been on one that didn't try to get it's motor running before the game. It doesn't take a genius to do that, even Spott could have managed the feat... If he tried.

This is a pointless discussion but it wouldn't have mattered in any realistic scenario. USA destroyed Canada in that game and Canada had looked uninspiring throughout the whole tournament. Steve Spott, an oaf, wasn't going to make a speech that would change the whole course Canada had been on. The same structural problems would have been there and USA started out ready to play hard.

 

[cmcneil02]

World Junior Selection Camp starts today.
Per Mark Masters, here’s where everyone’s positioned with to start camp off.

Ostapchuk - Wright - Bedard
Gaucher - Stankoven - Guenther
Bankier - Beck - Othmann
Fantilli - Dean - Dumais
Schaefer - Dach - Roy
Bolduc - Kidney - Greene

 

[BondraTime]

Top 2 lines are all the locks, the other 4 lines are all battling out for a spot.

Going to be 1/2 guys from last years team on the outside looking in.

11/12 guys battling out for 5/6 spots, depending on if you think Roy is a lock.

 

[BE Friend]

Can all just agree CAN vs USA for gold will be ALL that matters?

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Any updates on scrimmages ?

 

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