Patriots/NFL 2023 Regular Season Part 3: Playing Out the String or How I Learned to Stop Caring and Embrace the Tank

[RoccoF14]

I'm all in on MHJ in the draft

The two top QBs are more in the Carson Palmer range as far as top of the draft QBs go. Good, possibly pro bowl guys, but not enough to single-handedly resurrect an offense. They're not looking like Bradys, Mannings, Lucks, or even Burrowses.

Marvin Harrison Jr. however is in the elite tier as far as WRs go. More of a Julio Jones type. I've seen people saying he's better than his father.

For me, you get out of the gutter on offense a lot more quickly by signing a journeyman QB (or even keeping Mac if there's a new coaching staff as people are thinking) and drafting MHJ than you would by drafting one of these QBs and trying to sign WRs off the scrap heap. At least that's my opinion.

Pats currently have no WRs worth getting excited about. And which free agent is going to look at Mac/Zappe or whichever unproven QB we draft and want to sign here? Especially knowing if they're the #1 here they're drawing double coverage because they have no support, meaning their numbers go down and their next contract has less leverage to it. But if you have Harrison as an elite #1 drawing all the attention form the defense, you're going to see a lot of good free agent WRs wanting to sign here and line up on the other side of the field with more open space. Shit, sign one decent lineman and one good WR, and I think even Mac Jones could take this team to a wild card next year if MHJ is what he's being built up to be.

In the past 10 years there have been 4 WRs taken in the Top 5 of the draft.

Sammy Watkins
Amari Cooper
Corey Davis (this is not a typo)
Jamar Chase

 

[RoccoF14]

Philly continuing their implosion in spectacular fashion. 17-0 Giants at Half.

Way too much talent on that roster for this to happen…..

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Congratulation Pats you have become the laughing stock of the NFL again in just three year after Brady.

Welcome back to reality

I think you enjoy teams losing. You do it with the Bruins. To each their own I guess.

 

[McGarnagle]

In the past 10 years there have been 4 WRs taken in the Top 5 of the draft.

Sammy Watkins
Amari Cooper
Corey Davis (this is not a typo)
Jamar Chase

That only goes to show that prospects like Harrison don't come around often.

There hasn't been this much hype over a receiver in a long time.

 

[RoccoF14]

That only goes to show that prospects like Harrison don't come around often.

There hasn't been this much hype over a receiver in a long time.

The other option out there is trading the pick for an established stud WR. Kinda like Philly did with AJ Brown a couple years ago. Still gotta figure out who’s gonna throw him the ball, though..

 

[The National]

Matt Patricia defense looking good

 

[RoccoF14]

The other option out there is trading the pick for an established stud WR. Kinda like Philly did with AJ Brown a couple years ago. Still gotta figure out who’s gonna throw him the ball, though..

Bears did a similar thing last year when they got DJ Moore and still only had to move down a couple of spots. I actually think that’s the way to go if you can find a team willing to make a deal.

MJH is a great prospect, but the drop off in quality in the WR position from 1-20 is not like it is with other positions.

GB is playing right now with a rookie 2nd, 5th, and an undrafted FA as their WR corps, with a 2nd and 5th from last year injured.

 

[Mione134]

I'll take MHJ all day. We need that elite WR.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I'm all in on MHJ in the draft

The two top QBs are more in the Carson Palmer range as far as top of the draft QBs go. Good, possibly pro bowl guys, but not enough to single-handedly resurrect an offense. They're not looking like Bradys, Mannings, Lucks, or even Burrowses.

Marvin Harrison Jr. however is in the elite tier as far as WRs go. More of a Julio Jones type. I've seen people saying he's better than his father.

For me, you get out of the gutter on offense a lot more quickly by signing a journeyman QB (or even keeping Mac if there's a new coaching staff as people are thinking) and drafting MHJ than you would by drafting one of these QBs and trying to sign WRs off the scrap heap. At least that's my opinion.

Pats currently have no WRs worth getting excited about. And which free agent is going to look at Mac/Zappe or whichever unproven QB we draft and want to sign here? Especially knowing if they're the #1 here they're drawing double coverage because they have no support, meaning their numbers go down and their next contract has less leverage to it. But if you have Harrison as an elite #1 drawing all the attention form the defense, you're going to see a lot of good free agent WRs wanting to sign here and line up on the other side of the field with more open space. Shit, sign one decent lineman and one good WR, and I think even Mac Jones could take this team to a wild card next year if MHJ is what he's being built up to be.

Then you become the Atlanta Falcons. 1st round WR, 1st round RB, offensive minded coach, no reliable QB and you’re a bottom feeder.

Mac Jones sucks. He’ll be a career backup somewhere else and make a great living doing it.

 

[Mione134]

Then you become the Atlanta Falcons. 1st round WR, 1st round RB, offensive minded coach, no reliable QB and you’re a bottom feeder.

Mac Jones sucks. He’ll be a career backup somewhere else and make a great living doing it.

I think they need to build around a QB which you CAN get in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, or sign a vet. You need to go offensive player. We need a #1 WR. I'd stay away of the 1st round QB's.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I think they need to build around a QB which you CAN get in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, or sign a vet. You need to go offensive player. We need a #1 WR. I'd stay away of the 1st round QB's.

It’s all a coin flip imo. Unless you have a few amazing scouts who follow a kid and see something great in him. Chiefs scored Mahomes at 10th overall. There have been a great number of QB’s drafted early who have stunk. Recent history shows us plenty of examples. Carolina drafting Bryce Young and leaving Stroud for Houston. It’s all luck. I’d rather gamble on a QB than a WR. How many WR have been drafted top 3 in the past 15 years who went onto become cornerstones of a franchise?

I’d take my chances on a Maye or Daniels with the 3 pick, and attempt to sign a Tee Higgins type in free agency. As opposed to signing Kirk Cousins to 35-45 million per year and drafting Harrison Jr. Cousins & Jefferson are a good duo but they haven’t gotten very far together.

And let’s not forget that the Pats may have some WR options at 34th overall.

 

[TimeZone]

I'm all in on MHJ at #3 as well, he's a special talent

 

[rfournier103]

I'll take MHJ all day. We need that elite WR.

Barring injury, I think he’s bound for a Hall of Fame career. I’m not nearly as sure about any of the QBs in this draft.

 

[N o o d l e s]

If the evaluators you have tell you whoever is left of the top 3 QB are worth it you take the Qb. Sign Tee Higgins if you want a #1 and don’t take MHJ

 

[RoccoF14]

Packers in the playoffs and I’m thrilled. f*** You, Aaron Rodgers. This franchise has ALWAYS been larger than its individual players.

So happy for Jordan Love. That guy had the entire weight of a franchise on his shoulders, and he battled and kept getting better, week over week.

 

[Oates2Neely]

Wide Receivers:

2017:
Cory Davis 5th overall
Mike Williams 7th overall
John Ross 9th overall

2018:
DJ Moore 24th overall
Calvin Ridley 26th overall

2019:
Marquise Brown 25th overall
N’Keal Harry 32nd overall
Deebo Samuel 36th overall
AJ Brown 51st overall
DK Metcalf 64th overall

2020:
Henry Ruggs 12th overall
Jerry Jeudy 15th overall
Cee Dee Lamb 17th overall
Jalen Reagor 21st overall
Justin Jefferson 22nd overall
Brandon Aiyuk 25th overall
Tee Higgins 33 overall
Michael Pittman 34th overall

2021:
Ja’Marr Chase 5th overall
Jaylen Waddle 6th overall
DeVonta Smith 10th overall
Kadarius Toney 20th overall
Rashod Bateman 27th overall

 

[McGarnagle]

Barring injury, I think he’s bound for a Hall of Fame career. I’m not nearly as sure about any of the QBs in this draft.

His dad was a first ballot HoFer and most scouts are saying that Jr. is more athletic and a better route runner than Sr. That's absurd. I don't know how he's not the clear cut #1 this draft, even if the Bears and Skins really want a QB.

I just saw a mock draft that had us drafting Jayden Daniels at 3 and MHJ going to Arizona at 4. If that happens I will renounce my fandom.

 

[KrejciMVP]

they say mcdaniels is terrible but this Vegas QB looks good and he also drafted Decker and Demarious Thomas and Moreno in the past.

 

[RoccoF14]

His dad was a first ballot HoFer and most scouts are saying that Jr. is more athletic and a better route runner than Sr. That's absurd. I don't know how he's not the clear cut #1 this draft, even if the Bears and Skins really want a QB.

I just saw a mock draft that had us drafting Jayden Daniels at 3 and MHJ going to Arizona at 4. If that happens I will renounce my fandom.

His dad played with Peyton Manning.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I'd be surprised if Chicago doesn't take Harrison Jr 1st OA. Feels like they'll stick with Fields and get Harrison Jr to go with him

 

[DKH]

So are the Pats guaranteed a top 3 pick?

Have to assume Chicago goes Williams, Washington with Maye. So essentially Pats left to choose Harrison Jr, Jayden Daniels, or an o-lineman in Alt/ Fashanu.

I'm all in on MHJ at #3 as well, he's a special talent

What would be wild is Patriots trade a 3rd rounder for Fields and draft MHJ at 3

That’s one way to get the Patriots back on prime time

With that D and their FA $ …..

Bears are in amazing situation

I'd be surprised if Chicago doesn't take Harrison Jr 1st OA. Feels like they'll stick with Fields and get Harrison Jr to go with him

Yeh I’m thinking same but they want to get mhj but move back which may not be possible

Regardless the Patriots are going to be super interesting the next 365 days lol

 

[RoccoF14]

I'd be surprised if Chicago doesn't take Harrison Jr 1st OA. Feels like they'll stick with Fields and get Harrison Jr to go with him

No way they stick with Fields after today. Not even sure if they stick with Eberflus…

 

[RoccoF14]

they say mcdaniels is terrible but this Vegas QB looks good and he also drafted Decker and Demarious Thomas and Moreno in the past.

…..and didn’t do shit with it.

 

[KrejciMVP]

…..and didn’t do shit with it.

forgot to add Zamir White too

 

[smithformeragent]

Patriots/NFL - 2024 Playoffs: Patriots finish 4-13, Will pick 3rd. Belichick’s status TBD

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