2023 NHL Entry Draft Discussion - One Month Away

[DFAC]

Mark Edwards from HP saying alot of scouts are hearing we like Willander at 11. Nothing new but take it for what its worth

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Very solid interview. Love that he is a gym freak and loves to challenge himself. A guy who I’m very high on. I think he has the IQ and skill to be a top line forward.

Reminds me of Boldy in 2019.

Difference to me is Boldy had stronger defensive upside & obviously much better mobility.

I kinda think a bigger/stronger Brock Boeser type. I do like his potential as a big body top 6 winger that can use his size to his advantage & be a pain to play against down low b/c of that & his playmaking ability. Then also being dangerous when he gets a shooting opportunity.

Re Perreault: Upside may not match production, sure, but that goes doubly so for Wood, who is less offensively competent and has just as many question marks about his skating.

The difference is Wood can use his size to shield the puck & prolong plays, which helps mitigate his lack of mobility in certain situations. When Perreault gets caught flat footed hes prone to turning the puck over.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Is Honzek too much of a risk at #11?

Saw him grow into being the best player on the giants as a rookie, Lanky with a really really good IQ. Would prefer Wood if he drops to us.

What do you see Honzek becoming as a Pro?


For me...he's a very Mantha-esque prospect. Do you see something else there that would merit a selection at 11?

I have him in this range too, trying to figure out 'how high is too high?'.

To me he's a super projection pick, he does everything well but he's still very raw. Hes huge & he's got really good speed, he has great hands, good awareness/IQ, heavy shot, he uses his size effectively & he's shown he can play the PK/be decent defensively.

He still needs to fill out & gain some weight/balance, but your talking a 6'4 guy (who plays like it offensively) with speed & dual threat skill that can play in your top 6 - potentially even center. It's really a tantalizing package.

 

[Lupuls Grit]

Is there any realistic way that the Canucks can add another pick (presumably late) in the first round? There will be some excellent prospects available. I expect that, at a minimum, the Canucks would have to give up Lekkermaki (recognizing he is a skilled winger with not a great D plus 1 season so his value may be depressed) as well as take on a cap hit (preferably for one year). Does anyone see any realistic options to add such a pick? With the mandate to "win now", I think this approach is unlikely but I would love to see it.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Is there any realistic way that the Canucks can add another pick (presumably late) in the first round? There will be some excellent prospects available. I expect that, at a minimum, the Canucks would have to give up Lekkermaki (recognizing he is a skilled winger with not a great D plus 1 season so his value may be depressed) as well as take on a cap hit (preferably for one year). Does anyone see any realistic options to add such a pick? With the mandate to "win now", I think this approach is unlikely but I would love to see it.

Considering they had another first and traded it, no. Playoffs or bust

 

[Vector]

Mark Edwards from HP saying alot of scouts are hearing we like Willander at 11. Nothing new but take it for what its worth

Wouldn't shock me at all. Then again, I've been saying that for a few months now. Depending on who's still available, I'm more than okay with him.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Is there any realistic way that the Canucks can add another pick (presumably late) in the first round? There will be some excellent prospects available. I expect that, at a minimum, the Canucks would have to give up Lekkermaki (recognizing he is a skilled winger with not a great D plus 1 season so his value may be depressed) as well as take on a cap hit (preferably for one year). Does anyone see any realistic options to add such a pick? With the mandate to "win now", I think this approach is unlikely but I would love to see it.

Nope..the only player that could conceivably net a 1st is Demko..and they're not moving him.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Is there any realistic way that the Canucks can add another pick (presumably late) in the first round? There will be some excellent prospects available. I expect that, at a minimum, the Canucks would have to give up Lekkermaki (recognizing he is a skilled winger with not a great D plus 1 season so his value may be depressed) as well as take on a cap hit (preferably for one year). Does anyone see any realistic options to add such a pick? With the mandate to "win now", I think this approach is unlikely but I would love to see it.

We could use our newfound 7M in cap space to take on a bad contract in exchange for a late first/early second round pick but as you say, the “win now” mandate probably means no. Management could do something like that and use that pick in a hockey trade for an NHL player but I doubt they’d use it to draft a player who’s 2/3 years away.

They could also get creative and take on a one year bad contract around 2-3M to get a second round pick and possibly add one of our thirds to get into the 35-40 range where there is still lots of good options.

 

[Lupuls Grit]

We could use our newfound 7M in cap space to take on a bad contract in exchange for a late first/early second round pick but as you say, the “win now” mandate probably means no. Management could do something like that and use that pick in a hockey trade for an NHL player but I doubt they’d use it to draft a player who’s 2/3 years away.

How about we take on Matt Murray in exchange for Boston's first round pick and the Canucks promise to not outbid them for Luke Schenn!

You, and others, are correct of course. That extra cap space will not be used to harvest a valuable asset. It will be used in a short-sighted manner to make the playoffs. This year.

 

[MS]

As far as I'm aware, NHLe is the only metric that tries to factor for disparate leagues. Without it and SEAL adjusted scoring, we wouldn't have known that Pettersson's draft production was historic. It helped quantify that production for people.





Re Perreault: Upside may not match production, sure, but that goes doubly so for Wood, who is less offensively competent and has just as many question marks about his skating.

The point about Jarvis not production his NHLe is a good one though, I'll grant. That's a valid criticism of the NHLe. But if we use NHLe as a comparison just for draft performance, and do not superimpose it onto the NHL, it could still be useful.

On the Americans: My point is that you are not first giving that line it's production edge when comparing it to Wood's own production.

Again, I'm not going to have a debate with you on NHLe. They're a garbage, worthless stat and it blows my mind how some guy in his mom's basement can go I DID A MATH! and then people treat his bad math as gospel.

NHLe does not track NCAA players correctly (as demonstrated by those NHLe-based rankings that were recently linked) and any stat saying that 1.2 points/game in the OHL at 17 is more impressive than 1.0 points/game in the NCAA at 17 is just flat-out wrong.

As for the US players, I'll just be repeating myself. I think there is one big talent who projects as a big NHL scorer, a second big talent that has major size/skating concerns that drop him considerably, and a (good) 3rd wheel that might be getting carried, especially when you consider the weirdness/uniqueness of how the NDTP works.

Wood has blown apart ever level he's played at and my eye test on him matched the production. His level of skill at his size is very rare.

 

[Raistlin]

We could use our newfound 7M in cap space to take on a bad contract in exchange for a late first/early second round pick but as you say, the “win now” mandate probably means no. Management could do something like that and use that pick in a hockey trade for an NHL player but I doubt they’d use it to draft a player who’s 2/3 years away.

right? its so weird that the team is in re-tool mode, yet the mandate is to make the playoffs right away. the "re" whatever description just doesn't hold water if the runway you're giving it is less than 1 season. Its like they don't see how thin this team is and think EP/QH can "McDrai" them into the playoffs.

In this context, any talk about weaponizing their cap space is pie in the sky talk, ownership is not capable of projecting more than 1 year into the future, planning ahead for a more sustainable window by year 2-3 by taking even a single year hit. OEL acquisition and subsequent buyout and all.

 

[MarkMM]

Is there any realistic way that the Canucks can add another pick (presumably late) in the first round? There will be some excellent prospects available. I expect that, at a minimum, the Canucks would have to give up Lekkermaki (recognizing he is a skilled winger with not a great D plus 1 season so his value may be depressed) as well as take on a cap hit (preferably for one year). Does anyone see any realistic options to add such a pick? With the mandate to "win now", I think this approach is unlikely but I would love to see it.

Only thing I can think of is if that nebulous Miller trade happens. Maybe a top centre (Dvorsky or Danielson if they're high on those guys) falls to us in the draft so they feel comfortable going with a temporary signing in the short-term, Danielson or Dvorsky in the long-term, so that makes Miller superfluous and we trade him for a couple 1st's including one this year?

Not likely but the only way I could see it.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Only thing I can think of is if that nebulous Miller trade happens. Maybe a top centre (Dvorsky or Danielson if they're high on those guys) falls to us in the draft so they feel comfortable going with a temporary signing in the short-term, Danielson or Dvorsky in the long-term, so that makes Miller superfluous and we trade him for a couple 1st's including one this year?

Not likely but the only way I could see it.

I can’t see any sort of deal involving Miller being purely for futures, as that would decimate our already lacking C depth and likely tank this season which would be a no-go from management.
We have no positional depth in any areas that would return a high pick, especially in a deep draft like this one, and no good players on cheap contracts with term that might have value either.
Thanks Jim.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

How about we take on Matt Murray in exchange for Boston's first round pick and the Canucks promise to not outbid them for Luke Schenn!

You, and others, are correct of course. That extra cap space will not be used to harvest a valuable asset. It will be used in a short-sighted manner to make the playoffs. This year.

Murray has the type of contract that TO would dearly love to shed and the timeline and salary would work. Since Martin was badly exposed last year, Murray could be a guy who could be usable to the team for a season while Silovs develops in Abby. Of course Murray being usable would depend on him finding his mojo again but hopefully Ian Clarke could work his magic.
This is unlikely to happen but should be considered. The UFA market is really bad this year so it would be a waste not to use the cap space or use it on a desperation signing which turns into another anchor contract.

 

[Vector]

Updated my consolidated rankings.

For the first round I'm up to 22 different rankings.

June 20th
1)	Connor Bedard	736
2)	Adam Fantilli	711
3)	Leo Carlsson	675
4)	Matvei Michkov	675
5)	Will Smith	635
6)	Zach Benson	595
7)	Ryan Leonard	539
8)	Dalibor Dvorsky	522
9)	Oliver Moore	487
10)	Axel Sandin Pellikka	458
11)	David Reinbacher	440
12)	Colby Barlow	422
13)	Matthew Wood	362
14)	Gabriel Perreault	359
15)	Eduard Sale	353
16)	Nate Danielson	347
17)	Brayden Yager	329
18)	Andrew Cristall	319
19)	Samuel Honzek	287
20)	Dmitri Simashev	274
21)	Quentin Musty	241
22)	Otto Stenberg	241
23)	Calum Ritchie	238
24)	Mikhail Gulyayev	229
25)	Tom Willander	215
26)	Riley Heidt	215
27)	Gavin Brindley	199
28)	Daniel But	193
29)	Ethan Gauthier	94
30)	Jayden Perron	89
31)	Oliver Bonk	82
32)	Lukas Dragicevic	66

For the big list, I'm at 16.

Spoiler: Big Ol' List of Names:

1	BEDARD, CONNOR	3583
2	FANTILLI, ADAM	3566
3	MICHKOV, MATVEI	3544
4	CARLSSON, LEO	3542
5	SMITH, WILLIAM	3518
6	BENSON, ZACH	3480
7	LEONARD, RYAN	3456
8	DVORSKY, DALIBOR	3430
9	MOORE, OLIVER	3421
10	REINBACHER, DAVID	3410
11	SANDIN PELLIKKA, AXEL	3405
12	BARLOW, COLBY	3361
13	PERREAULT, GABRIEL	3340
14	WOOD, MATTHEW	3327
15	DANIELSON, NATE	3325
16	SALE, EDUARD	3313
17	YAGER, BRAYDEN	3305
18	CRISTALL, ANDREW	3243
19	WILLANDER, TOM	3240
20	SIMASHEV, DMITRIY	3238
21	HONZEK, SAMUEL	3235
22	BRINDLEY, GAVIN	3233
23	MUSTY, QUENTIN	3225
24	STENBERG, OTTO	3223
25	RITCHIE, CALUM	3216
26	GULYAYEV, MIKHAIL	3182
27	BUT, DANIL	3169
28	HEIDT, RILEY	3160
29	NADEAU, BRADLY	3020
30	GAUTHIER, ETHAN	2996
31	DRAGICEVIC, LUKAS	2993
32	MOLENDYK, TANNER	2992
33	BONK, OLIVER	2979
34	MOLGAARD, OSCAR FISKER	2946
35	PERRON, JAYDEN	2931
36	SAWCHYN, GRACYN	2922
37	HRABAL, MICHAEL	2908
38	EDSTROM, DAVID	2900
39	HALTTUNEN, KASPER	2886
40	LARDIS, NICK	2838
41	ZIEMMER, KOEHN	2832
42	CAGNONI, LUCA	2830
43	AUGUSTINE, TREY	2781
44	MORIN, ETIENNE	2775
45	LINDSTEIN, THEO	2769
46	WHITELAW, WILLIAM	2759
47	AKEY, BEAU	2743
48	BRZUSTEWICZ, HUNTER	2730
49	PRICE, CADEN	2708
50	HAMEENAHO, LENNI	2699
51	STRAMEL, CHARLIE	2668
52	BJARNASON, CARSON	2621
53	WAHLBERG, ANTON	2603
54	STRBAK, MAXIM	2601
55	REHKOPF, CARSON	2578
56	NELSON, DANNY	2547
57	DOWER NILSSON, NOAH	2535
58	KANTSEROV, ROMAN	2492
59	CATAFORD, MATHIEU	2437
60	MINNETIAN, ARAM	2427
61	BARKEY, DENVER	2393
62	LIND, KALAN	2381
63	STRATHMANN, ANDREW	2376
64	MYATOVIC, NICO	2363
65	DVORAK, JAKUB	2339
66	SUNIEV, AYDAR	2338
67	PINELLI, LUCA	2307
68	TERRANCE, CAREY	2225
69	PITRE, COULSON	2197
70	COWAN, EASTON	2187
71	GIBSON, ANDREW	2113
72	ALLEN, CAMERON	2106
73	FOWLER, JACOB	2104
74	NORDH, NOEL	2104
75	KIISKINEN, JESSE	2091
76	MISIAK, MARTIN	2020
77	UNGER SORUM, FELIX	2014
78	NILSSON, FELIX	2006
79	GAJAN, ADAM	1948
80	BERTUCCI, TRISTAN	1919
81	MUKHANOV, TIMUR	1877
82	CIERNIK, ALEX	1871
83	MANIA, MATTHEW	1865
84	RYKOV, ALEXANDER	1804
85	JARVENTIE, EMIL	1796
86	KUMPULAINEN, RASMUS	1769
87	BURNS, QUINTON	1727
88	MCCARTHY, GAVIN	1673
89	PEKARCIK, JURAJ	1639
90	LEVIS, CONNOR	1524
91	RATZLAFF, SCOTT	1520
92	FINK, AIDEN	1511
93	NURMI, JESSE	1502
94	FORSFJALL, ZEB	1453
95	SHAUGABAY, JAYSON	1373
96	TOURIGNY, JORDAN	1322
97	CLEVELAND, BRADY	1313
98	LUDTKE, TANNER	1278
99	STANLEY, HOYT	1264
100	WIKMAN, ALBERT	1254
101	LIPINSKI, JADEN	1242
102	MIEDEMA, ETHAN	1216
103	MACKINNON, DYLAN	1201
104	URONEN, TUOMAS	1186
105	PHARAND, ALEX	1173
106	KARKI, ARTTU	1081
107	PEDDLE, TYLER	1006
108	SOTO, MATTHEW	987
109	KNUBLE, COLE	914
110	BERGSTROM, ARVID	886
111	SQUIRES, CAM	870
112	FISCHER, PAUL	869
113	FINE, RYAN	858
114	SZTURC, GABRIEL	854
115	HENDRICKSON, BECKETT	843
116	ERDMAN, GRIFFIN	827
117	SOTHERAN, CARTER	821
118	PIENINIEMI, EMIL	817
119	LUTFULLIN, IGNAT	758
120	WILLIS, JOEY	752
121	NEHRING, ZACH	712
122	SIDOROV, YEGOR	709
123	ADAMS, TANNER	680
124	SUCHANEK, TOMAS	651
125	SUSUYEV, NIKITA	644
126	FORTESCUE, DREW	619
127	GARDINER, BRAD	609
128	HAGENS, MICHAEL	600
129	KLIMOVICH, YEGOR	591
130	MOLNAR, ONDREJ	567
131	LESLIE, MAZDEN	566
132	VESTERHEIM, PETTER	566
133	SVOBODA, BRANDON	560
134	RIMASHEVSKIY, YEGOR	555
135	MANN, MATTEO	547
136	MUSSER, CARSEN	536
137	SCHULZ, ZACHARY	534
138	KARPOVICH, DANIIL	476
139	STANCL, JAKUB	462
140	MITTELSTADT, LUKE	458
141	LOSHKO, ANDREI	453
142	PARKER, KALEM	451
143	MACDONELL, ANGUS	438
144	HALABURDA, TY	437
145	FISHER, JAKE	424
146	LANDEN, AXEL	412
147	MILIC, THOMAS	408
148	DELL'ELCE, FRANCESCO	406
149	SPRYNAR, JAN	390
150	DEANGELO, MICHAEL	389
151	MALINOSKI, HUDSON	364
152	COUGHLIN, LUKE	361
153	ZAVRAGIN, EGOR	361
154	EMERSON, MICHAEL	360
155	KEENAN, LARRY	334
156	KHAZHEYEV, RUSLAN	323
157	CLARA, DAMIAN	317
158	HURTIG, AXEL	315
159	VOTE, WILLIAM	299
160	MAYER, SAMUEL	286
161	CASTAGNA, JONATHAN	284
162	OSCARSON, MILTON	275
163	CARLSSON, KALLE	270
164	DIONICIO, RODWIN	268
165	PETR, DOMINIK	263
166	VOLOCHKO, KONSTANTIN	259
167	SMITH, KONNOR	256
168	ROBERTSON, BENJAMIN	255
169	TOWNSEND, TEDDY	253
170	HELLBERG, HANNES	242
171	DEJ, FRANTISEK	241
172	CERRATO, CHARLIE	238
173	THORESON, GAVYN	237
174	BECKNER, OWEN	231
175	NEDOPEKIN, NIKITA	228
176	FABRIZI, MATTEO	221
177	SMIRNOV, EGOR	217
178	BORN, ISAC	212
179	HELLNEMO, ALEXANDER	211
180	CEDZO, ADAM	209
181	WEIERMAIR, ALEXANDER	202
182	HAMMELL, KADEN	195
183	FENENKO, NIKS	193
184	CHESLOCK, CHASE	187
185	BOUROSH, DANIIL	187
186	WEINSTEIN, SAIGE	182
187	HIGGINS, TY	178
188	MOROZ, VADIM	178
189	ANOSHKO, IVAN	175
190	LARSSON, RASMUS	174
191	BROWN, COLE	171
192	ISHIMNIKOV, NIKITA	170
193	BURCHILL, MICHAEL	169
194	ROEST, AUSTIN	166
195	STEINBERGS, KRISTERS	166
196	DE LUCA, TOMMASO	165
197	KASHTANOV, ARTYOM	165
198	KOSTADINSKI, KRISTIAN	162
199	BEAUDRY, MARC-OLIVIER	161
200	LUNDGREN, MAX	159
201	PORT, VOJTECH	158
202	HES, LUKAS	156
203	HEDQVIST, ISAC	154
204	KVOCHKO, ILYA	153
205	URBAN, SAMUEL	152
206	PETROVSKI, JAMES	151
207	THORNTON, HUDSON	151
208	STONEHOUSE, BRADY	147
209	VIDICEK, MARKUS	144
210	HENNEBERRY, JOSEPH	142
211	ROBERTS, MILES	139
212	CLARK, JAMES	138
213	LEPPA, TOM	138
214	SHAHAN, KADEN	136
215	CHALYI, GENNADII	135
216	SCHERZER, IAN	134
217	BURNEVIK, AUSTIN	133
218	MINKKINEN, NIKO	133
219	JATKOLA, JUHA	131
220	CONMY, RYAN	122
221	ANDERSON, HUNTER	118
222	VERMETTE, EMMANUEL	114
223	GOLDSMITH, TERRELL	114
224	BURBIDGE, COLE	109

 

[bossram]

Murray has the type of contract that TO would dearly love to shed and the timeline and salary would work. Since Martin was badly exposed last year, Murray could be a guy who could be usable to the team for a season while Silovs develops in Abby. Of course Murray being usable would depend on him finding his mojo again but hopefully Ian Clarke could work his magic.
This is unlikely to happen but should be considered. The UFA market is really bad this year so it would be a waste not to use the cap space or use it on a desperation signing which turns into another anchor contract.

If they could absorb one year of Murray for the 28th overall pick, it is an absolute slam dunk transaction. I would love a second 1st in this draft. A chance at a guy like Moldendyk, Fisker Molgaard, Nadeau, Lardis, Stenberg, Cagnoni, or Price would be a nice addition to the 11th.

Of course, we know this is not happening. It's playoffs-or-bust. They will obviously not use their cap space they opened up on a cap dump.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

If they could absorb one year of Murray for the 28th overall pick, it is an absolute slam dunk transaction. I would love a second 1st in this draft. A chance at a guy like Moldendyk, Fisker Molgaard, Nadeau, Lardis, Stenberg, Cagnoni, or Price would be a nice addition to the 11th.

Of course, we know this is not happening. It's playoffs-or-bust. They will obviously not use their cap space they opened up on a cap dump.

The team won’t use the cap space on a pure cap dump but Murray, in theory(if he can find his game again), could really help the team if he could effectively tandem with Demko.
The main thing that sunk last season was goaltending. Demko struggled then got hurt and no one else could step up and the season was done by December.
Taking on Murray absorbs most of the cap savings from OEL but Martin could be sent the other way to free up some space and if there’s an opportunity re-sign Schenn or a similar low priced defensive D to pair with Hughes and do some PK, we’re probably ok on the back end.
3C is still an issue but maybe there’s a trade to be made with one of our wingers and/or draft picks.

 

[biturbo19]

The team won’t use the cap space on a pure cap dump but Murray, in theory(if he can find his game again), could really help the team if he could effectively tandem with Demko.
The main thing that sunk last season was goaltending. Demko struggled then got hurt and no one else could step up and the season was done by December.
Taking on Murray absorbs most of the cap savings but Martin could be sent the other way to free up some space and if there’s an opportunity re-sign Schenn or a similar low priced defensive D to pair with Hughes and do some PK, we’re probably ok on the back end.
3C is still an issue but maybe there’s a trade to be made with one of our wingers and/or draft picks.

Yeah. I don't really want to take on Murray...but if there's enough cap going the other way to offset things, getting a second NHL caliber goaltender on the roster would be nice.

They really do need to find a way to upgrade that spot somehow. You can't run it back with guys like Spencer/Delia. Silovs has some promise, but didn't look ready last year. Really just need a solid backup netminder who can spell Demko reliably and not automatically concede the loss those games. Can't ride Demko into the ground and can't really fully count on him to be completely healthy all year and on top of his game.

Problem is...the goaltending market is pretty full up with much more desperate teams scooping up anyone half decent trying to gamble on them getting hot at the right time as a part time starter. But you've gotta do something.


The issue with Murray in that role is...you can't really count on him to be healthy when you need him either. He's basically made of glass at this point. I'd be okay with the idea if the cap implications are washed out or beneficial for us...but it's not necessarily an ideal solution.

 

[bossram]

How and Why Are Prospect Model's Useful?

NHLe models are flawed and you should value them anyways

chacemccallum.substack.com

For those interested (which may be like two of you), an interesting blog post from Chase McCallum, who posts some interesting draft content on twitter. He describes what value he gets from NHLe and building out his own draft model.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Yeah. I don't really want to take on Murray...but if there's enough cap going the other way to offset things, getting a second NHL caliber goaltender on the roster would be nice.

They really do need to find a way to upgrade that spot somehow. You can't run it back with guys like Spencer/Delia. Silovs has some promise, but didn't look ready last year. Really just need a solid backup netminder who can spell Demko reliably and not automatically concede the loss those games. Can't ride Demko into the ground and can't really fully count on him to be completely healthy all year and on top of his game.

Problem is...the goaltending market is pretty full up with much more desperate teams scooping up anyone half decent trying to gamble on them getting hot at the right time as a part time starter. But you've gotta do something.


The issue with Murray in that role is...you can't really count on him to be healthy when you need him either. He's basically made of glass at this point. I'd be okay with the idea if the cap implications are washed out or beneficial for us...but it's not necessarily an ideal solution.

Those are all good points. The thing Murray has going for him is winning pedigree and if he could stay healthy and regain his form, him and Demko could possibly be a top tandem in the league.

Maybe Murray being a 1B would ease the workload and strain of being a starter and keep him from getting hurt. That’s a big maybe and you’d need to dig into his medical history but at least the team could gain a valuable asset for trying, unlike the Holtby fiasco.

Trading cap for cap could mean Myers going the other way, I’m not sure if I would do that now with Bear out for 2.5 months but it’s something else to consider.

 

[alternate]

OMG how is the draft still a month away?!?! It's taking foreverrrr to get here!

 

[Lindgren]

OMG how is the draft still a month away?!?! It's taking foreverrrr to get here!

It's a paradox!

Achilles and the Tortoise

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

 

[Lindgren]

Wouldn't shock me at all. Then again, I've been saying that for a few months now. Depending on who's still available, I'm more than okay with him.

Your consolidated rankings make me think that if Wilander and Simashev are both still available when the Canucks are up, it'd be worthwhile to risk trading down a few spots in hopes that one will still be there at, say, 15.

 

[Icebreakers]

I think Danielson will go before we pick. I think Moore will fall into mid to late teens.