GDT: 2023-24 season game 63 LA Kings vs Dallas Stars @7:30pm 3/9/24

[tny760]

kinda weird how that's not a trip when it's byfield against the penalty boxes though

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Started the 2nd well then fell apart. Some good kills at least. Game within reach.

 

[chris kontos]

What does that have to do with Kaliyev taking the shift too easy?

Weak goal by talbot

 

[kingsfan28]

the best save of wedgewoods career.

 

[ru4reals]

If Kempe just held on a little longer and go a bit wider Could have been a goal.

 

[tny760]

these late period special teams-fests are so lame and predictable

refs get bored and start feeling like interjecting

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

Kaliyev loafed on a goal against, big whoop, we have a roster full of guys with a few of those this season. The overall balance of his game is positive and he should get time to iron those things out instead of the inevitable press box sentence he's gonna get

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Yes its possibly his bonus money. And also his projected cap hit for next year going from 2.2-3 million to now probably 1-1.3 million.
That extra million could go to a goalie or towards a contract for Roy.
If he sucks so bad like you say they would waive him or have traded him for a 4th liner. A lot of players they could just plug into the 4th line were traded at the deadline for less than Kaliyevs worth.

Not sure where you think he's going from 1 million AAV to 2.2 - 3 million in AAV, off a 212K bonus.....but sure.

 

[Live in the Now]

Kaliyev loafed on a goal against, big whoop, we have a roster full of guys with a few of those this season. The overall balance of his game is positive and he should get time to iron those things out instead of the inevitable press box sentence he's gonna get

Nobody says this when Dubois and Fiala do it. And nobody should.

 

[RocketKing]

Dallas has really controlled this game. We can play better, hopefully they will

 

[AbsentMojo]

Kaliyev loafed on a goal against, big whoop, we have a roster full of guys with a few of those this season. The overall balance of his game is positive and he should get time to iron those things out instead of the inevitable press box sentence he's gonna get

They develop him in a 4th line role for 2 seasons and then wonder why his offense falls off playing with brick layers and grave diggers

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Nobody says this when Dubois and Fiala do it. And nobody should.

They don't get stapled to the bench for 3 games and cold shouldered by the entire organization when they do it.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

They develop him in a 4th line role for 2 seasons and then wonder why his offense falls off playing with brick layers and grave diggers

Again, you think that's the reason? It wasn't the one stride from far goal line to defensive zone that is doing him in? Everyone knows he has offensive skills, you think his offense fell off with that move to the front?

 

[tny760]

Not sure where you think he's going from 1 million AAV to 2.2 - 3 million in AAV, off a 212K bonus.....but sure.

2 separate things

1) bonus money
2) intentionally sandbagging him to tank his RFA contract valuation

 

[Live in the Now]

They don't get stapled to the bench for 3 games and cold shouldered by the entire organization when they do it.

No and that shouldn't happen either, but that's what would happen if our last GM and his coach were in the building too.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

2 separate things

1) bonus money
2) intentionally sandbagging him to tank his RFA contract valuation

Bonus money is 212K...that's it....it's not in the millions, it's 212K, that's not gonna do anything for his next contract,

2. His play is intentionally sandbagging him, nothing else.

 

[chris kontos]

Just to repeat
Everywhere else a goal given up thats shot from the top of the circles is a weak goal and on the goaltender. Kaliyev went to the wrong player and was late going to the goal scorer but on a play like that the goalie has to stop the shot. I'll go to the mat saying that goal was talbots fault

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

No and that shouldn't happen either, but that's what would happen if our last GM and his coach were in the building too.

it didn't happen, he was out the very next shift.....but people ignore that....I was surprised he was to be honest, that coasting was so so blatant.....to be out on the next shift, was....interesting.

 

[tny760]

Bonus money is 212K...that's it....it's not in the millions, it's 212K, that's not gonna do anything for his next contract,

2. His play is intentionally sandbagging him, nothing else.

jesus christ man i can't draw this with bigger crayons

he said "Yes its possibly his bonus money. And also his projected cap hit"

2 separate things

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Just to repeat
Everywhere else a goal given up thats shot from the top of the circles is a weak goal and on the goaltender. Kaliyev went to the wrong player and was late going to the goal scorer but on a play like that the goalie has to stop the shot. I'll go to the mat saying that goal was talbots fault

He didn't get a chance to get to the wrong player he was so far behind...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

No and that shouldn't happen either, but that's what would happen if our last GM and his coach were in the building too.

I'm with you, I think eeryone is just frustrated with the inequitable treatment of a guy whose biggest crime is being a younger enigma on a cheap contract instead of a sunk cost older enigma on a bougie contract

If all these guys were getting held to the standard of "cool nice strong shift, now wait 20 minutes to do it again" and "missed a check, see you next year" it would be different.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

jesus christ man i can't draw this with bigger crayons

he said "Yes its possibly his bonus money. And also his projected cap hit"

2 separate things

Yes, and I responded to both, 212K is his bonus money, they have the cap space for that this year,

AND...see, here's the 2nd thing..AND...

His play is sandbagging his value, nothing else.

 

[Brownie to Pancakes]

Again, you think that's the reason? It wasn't the one stride from far goal line to defensive zone that is doing him in? Everyone knows he has offensive skills, you think his offense fell off with that move to the front?

Again, a lot of players have have multiple egregious turnovers, bonehead penalties, and failures to hustle without the same torpedoed playing time. I'm not excusing his play, I simply think he has upside that needs to be cultivated in a different way. And I know the team can do it, because they give lots of guys lots of leeway

 

[AbsentMojo]

Again, you think that's the reason? It wasn't the one stride from far goal line to defensive zone that is doing him in? Everyone knows he has offensive skills, you think his offense fell off with that move to the front?

I think Koala and his assistants and the org in general is good at destroying young players confidence. Their whole attitude toward youth is completely wrong... marinet is the word. The slow boil is idiotic. They have Turcotte ELC about to expire and just now starting to give him a chance. Im convinced they are f***ing idiots.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Again, a lot of players have have multiple egregious turnovers, bonehead penalties, and failures to hustle without the same torpedoed playing time. I'm not excusing his play, I simply think he has upside that needs to be cultivated in a different way. And I know the team can do it, because they give lots of guys lots of leeway

That's fair enough, I gotta think there's more to it than we know, and this is me saying this with no evidence, but it just feels like they've tried to get him defensively sound for so long and he either can't, or won't do it, and they've had enough, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't qualify him.

I think Koala and his assistants and the org in general is good at destroying young players confidence. Their whole attitude toward youth is completely wrong... marinet is the word. The slow boil is idiotic. They have Turcotte ELC about to expire and just now starting to give him a chance. Im convinced they are f***ing idiots.

Tell me, when was he healthy in a long enough stretch to give him a "chance" for the past 2 years?