WJC: 2022 Team USA Roster Talk

[AmericanDream]

Not liking that 1st period. Shouldn't be this close
We aren't showing our skill here. Too choppy and too many stoppages.

 

[William H Bonney]

I'd be pretty surprised if they come back. They're beyond listless like they don't want to be there and they're just letting the Czechs play the game they want to.

Czechs look like a team that prepared for the game and is playing with urgency. We're playing like it's an exhibition. Where is the coaching urgency? Why are we still playing all 20 as the game slips away? Why are the lines the same when the team has no jump, no urgency, and no resolve?

It's absolutely negligent - for the team and the player - that the staff keeps putting Hughes out there. He's laboring big time and every time he's out there we're basically playing a man down. Shameful coaching.

Mbereko going to Mbereko. He sucks.

 

[William H Bonney]

We deserve to lose.

Hughes still out there. Lines still the same. Berard being an absolute idiot.

Live look at Leaman torching his NHL hopes.

 

[William H Bonney]

Down by a goal and the guy with a bum leg who shouldn't be out there turns it over because he can't skate and panicked.

Coronato airmailing it over an empty net is a good way to end it.

The team that deserved to lose did so. When does JVB's seat at USAH get hot? It won't but it should.

 

[mrmovies779]

We deserved to lose.outplayed. pretty disappointing

 

[Uncle]

Down by a goal and the guy with a bum leg who shouldn't be out there turns it over because he can't skate and panicked.

Coronato airmailing it over an empty net is a good way to end it.

The team that deserved to lose did so. When does JVB's seat at USAH get hot?

he made a bad play, czechs pressured well and he choked. Excuse making is cringe

 

[William H Bonney]

he made a bad play, czechs pressured well and he choked. Excuse making is cringe

Excuse making? In the post where I say the better team won? Get out of here.

Yes, he made a bad play, but normal Hughes would have just spun back to the center of the ice. He couldn't skate all game after he got injured. He shouldn't have been out there.

 

[Zero Pucks Given]

Pitiful way to go out. Shades of the 2011 semis in Buffalo if anything...

 

[Uncle Rotter]

Coronato airmailing it over an empty net is a good way to end it.

To be fair a Czech (Czechian?) stick deflected it.

 

[William H Bonney]

Pitiful way to go out. Shades of the 2011 semis in Buffalo if anything...

Did Emerson Etem insult Edmonton too? Ah, memories.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

One of you posted a week or so ago that coaching is often the weak link for USA teams, and that was on full display tonight.

When your best player is hobbled, you don't let him continue. It diminishes the team and risks aggravating his injury. You put your arm around him and say "I know you'd gut it out, but I have to sit you down, for your sake and the team's."

What a disgraceful lack of leadership.

 

[Waterbuf]

Garbage bin.

 

[William H Bonney]

One of you posted a week or so ago that coaching is often the weak link for USA teams, and that was on full display tonight.

When your best player is hobbled, you don't let him continue. It diminishes the team and risks aggravating his injury. You put your arm around him and say "I know you'd gut it out, but I have to sit you down, for your sake and the team's."

What a disgraceful lack of leadership.

Yep, we're often saddled with inept coaching and this says it all:



He was injured and "clearly missing a step" so I kept throwing him out there. Lunacy.

 

[The Nightman]

Pretty disappointing showing from Matt Knies after a bunch of hype. Was expecting him to show a little more… What’s up with that?

 

[William H Bonney]

Pretty disappointing showing from Matt Knies after a bunch of hype. Was expecting him to show a little more… What’s up with that?

The hype was getting out of control thanks to him being drafted by Toronto. He's a good player and prospect no doubt, but he didn't show it here.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

The hype was getting out of control thanks to him being drafted by Toronto. He's a good player and prospect no doubt, but he didn't show it here.

Ditto for Cooley, except substitute draft pedigree for being a Toronto pick. Quite a disappointing tourney for him.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It's a real shame, but anyone who isn't a shill for USA Hockey should've seen this coming. I said it the last few weeks, and some here didn't like it. Apparently we had to defend bad hockey players that had no business being anywhere near this team. And there were a lot of selfish fans of NHL teams that couldn't care less about if we had success in this tournament that came in this thread to tell us what was best for our World Junior team that they had no stake in. Complete selfishness. None of them seem to want to show their faces now.

USA Hockey selected a bad team. This coach needs to be canned immediately. He got too comfortable after the win last time with a great group of players. He was selecting his own player who had no business on the team. They were selecting undrafted guys over first round picks. They had an undrafted guy in the lineup over our highest pick in the 2023 draft for seniority reasons. Complete nonsense.

I said it from the beginning that this was not a strong group. What you don't do is compound the obvious reality of the team, and select the oldest possible team you can thinking you are going to overpower reality and make these mediocre 19 year olds into better players than the 19 year olds on the other top teams just because you want them to be. They weren't. Select the best prospects, and then supplement that with guys that can come back in future editions. We were supposed to be too good for using the same strategy that works for every country other than the one country that is demonstrably better than us. Except we weren't. Too much pride. Too arrogant.

The lack of a goalie who was at the level of goalies on the other top teams didn't help, but this team wasn't that good. You could see it in all the Prelim games. They played one team that could give them any sort of game, and that was probably also the weakest edition of that team we've seen in a long time. Outplaying a bad Sweden team didn't mean we were good this time around, and it wasn't like we decimated them. It was a one goal win. In the games against the bad teams they didn't put up any dominating totals either, shots or goals.

People got too excited about mediocre players dominating a bunch of sub-USHL level players from Latvia and Austria. We got what we deserved. Very unlikable team. Hopefully they learn their lesson, and select a young team for December. It's not going to be much better. The 2003's are not a strong age group either. We might not be Gold Medal Contenders in December either. But don't compound that mistake. Select a younger team. I hope a lot of people learn from this disaster of a team.

 

[William H Bonney]

Ditto for Cooley, except substitute draft pedigree for being a Toronto pick. Quite a disappointing tourney for him.

I don't agree. He was fine given his age. Over handled the puck, but he was asked to play a bigger role for his age than you'd like with Beniers not showing up. Knies is older, more experienced, and a grown ass man - none of that showed.

 

[Deep Blue Metallic]

I don't agree. He was fine given his age. Over handled the puck, but he was asked to play a bigger role for his age than you'd like with Beniers not showing up. Knies is older, more experienced, and a grown ass man - none of that h showed.

Ya, maybe he was thrust into a position where he was bound to be overmatched. Still, I expected more out of him.

In fairness, in a normal year he'd be playing in December, with 1/2 a season at Minnesota under his belt. Let's see how he does then.

 

[JiggsNY]

This type of game felt inevitable after the quarter final draw. A classic play down to your opponent USAH game.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Not Taking away from Czechia but the 2nd period was one of the worst periods I've seen a US U20 team ever play.

The 3rd goal was deflating and you could see it on the faces of the US players. That was an awful goal.

 

[newfy]

It's a real shame, but anyone who isn't a shill for USA Hockey should've seen this coming. I said it the last few weeks, and some here didn't like it. Apparently we had to defend bad hockey players that had no business being anywhere near this team. And there were a lot of selfish fans of NHL teams that couldn't care less about if we had success in this tournament that came in this thread to tell us what was best for our World Junior team that they had no stake in. Complete selfishness. None of them seem to want to show their faces now.

USA Hockey selected a bad team. This coach needs to be canned immediately. He got too comfortable after the win last time with a great group of players. He was selecting his own player who had no business on the team. They were selecting undrafted guys over first round picks. They had an undrafted guy in the lineup over our highest pick in the 2023 draft for seniority reasons. Complete nonsense.

I said it from the beginning that this was not a strong group. What you don't do is compound the obvious reality of the team, and select the oldest possible team you can thinking you are going to overpower reality and make these mediocre 19 year olds into better players than the 19 year olds on the other top teams just because you want them to be. They weren't. Select the best prospects, and then supplement that with guys that can come back in future editions. We were supposed to be too good for using the same strategy that works for every country other than the one country that is demonstrably better than us. Except we weren't. Too much pride. Too arrogant.

The lack of a goalie who was at the level of goalies on the other top teams didn't help, but this team wasn't that good. You could see it in all the Prelim games. They played one team that could give them any sort of game, and that was probably also the weakest edition of that team we've seen in a long time. Outplaying a bad Sweden team didn't mean we were good this time around, and it wasn't like we decimated them. It was a one goal win. In the games against the bad teams they didn't put up any dominating totals either, shots or goals.

People got too excited about mediocre players dominating a bunch of sub-USHL level players from Latvia and Austria. We got what we deserved. Very unlikable team. Hopefully they learn their lesson, and select a young team for December. It's not going to be much better. The 2003's are not a strong age group either. We might not be Gold Medal Contenders in December either. But don't compound that mistake. Select a younger team. I hope a lot of people learn from this disaster of a team.

Too bad the rest of the roster didnt play like that bum Mazur that you ragged on the whole time leading up to the tourney and they might be playing for a medal

 

[Ban Hammered]

They lose and Pavel gloats... shocking...

 

[KnuckChuckinTkachuk]

It's a real shame, but anyone who isn't a shill for USA Hockey should've seen this coming. I said it the last few weeks, and some here didn't like it. Apparently we had to defend bad hockey players that had no business being anywhere near this team. And there were a lot of selfish fans of NHL teams that couldn't care less about if we had success in this tournament that came in this thread to tell us what was best for our World Junior team that they had no stake in. Complete selfishness. None of them seem to want to show their faces now.

USA Hockey selected a bad team. This coach needs to be canned immediately. He got too comfortable after the win last time with a great group of players. He was selecting his own player who had no business on the team. They were selecting undrafted guys over first round picks. They had an undrafted guy in the lineup over our highest pick in the 2023 draft for seniority reasons. Complete nonsense.

I said it from the beginning that this was not a strong group. What you don't do is compound the obvious reality of the team, and select the oldest possible team you can thinking you are going to overpower reality and make these mediocre 19 year olds into better players than the 19 year olds on the other top teams just because you want them to be. They weren't. Select the best prospects, and then supplement that with guys that can come back in future editions. We were supposed to be too good for using the same strategy that works for every country other than the one country that is demonstrably better than us. Except we weren't. Too much pride. Too arrogant.

The lack of a goalie who was at the level of goalies on the other top teams didn't help, but this team wasn't that good. You could see it in all the Prelim games. They played one team that could give them any sort of game, and that was probably also the weakest edition of that team we've seen in a long time. Outplaying a bad Sweden team didn't mean we were good this time around, and it wasn't like we decimated them. It was a one goal win. In the games against the bad teams they didn't put up any dominating totals either, shots or goals.

People got too excited about mediocre players dominating a bunch of sub-USHL level players from Latvia and Austria. We got what we deserved. Very unlikable team. Hopefully they learn their lesson, and select a young team for December. It's not going to be much better. The 2003's are not a strong age group either. We might not be Gold Medal Contenders in December either. But don't compound that mistake. Select a younger team. I hope a lot of people learn from this disaster of a team.

I'd be interested to hear on who fans think should have been on the team and who shouldn't have made it.

I know team USA sometimes make weird roster decision so I'm wondering if that plus the coaching is what did them in.

As a Sens fan and after a good showing in camp, I was excited to see Boucher suit up.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

@Pavel Buchnevich was right…