GDT: 2022-23 season game 53 LA Kings vs Carolina Hurricanes @4:00pm 1/31/23

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They may have to do it because Blake has waited too long to “see what he’s got”. Well now everyone else knows what he has too. Last year guys like Durzi and Grundstrom still had that “untapped potential”. Well now that’s gone. Another failure of doing dumb shit like playing an offensive specialist on his off side in a defensive role and watching him get reamed and his value plummets.

Byfield, Kaliyev, Vilardi, Clarke and Spence should be untouchable, but Blake gotta Blake.
I agree he may have wanted/needed to move some of these guys earlier but we don’t actually know what was available. However I don’t think Durzi or Grundstrom ever held the value required for the holes we need to fill. We will, and were always going to, need to give up a valuable player to get what we need on this roster.

It’s not as if the weaknesses of these guys will have successfully been kept secret from the other teams.
 

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I think the Kings have had some great luck to start the season and I really can't tell if that is luck they made or not. I never really get the feeling of absolute dominance from them, but they have shown a knack for scoring off the rush and it has been able to turn quite a few games in their favor. That's more of an eye test thing than anything, so that could be wrong. I do know they have good possession numbers, but it never feels like dominance in game if that makes sense. The other thing that concerns me is that the Kings have played 53 games and are tied with Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Calgary and Philly for 15th in the league with 20 wins. The only issue is that those teams they are tied with have played 48, 49, 50 and 51 games. That's not even getting to the goal differential being 22ns in the league.

The Kings are a fringe playoff team. Statistics like goal differential and regulation wins don't lie. They're dead middle of the pack league wide.

What makes them difficult to analyze is the poor goaltending. When they get shelled by better teams, it's easy to chalk it all up to bad goaltending. But I think that's becoming a bit of a scapegoat. The Kings have huge roster issues, as well as big problems with discipline, focus, and game management.
 

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The Kings are a fringe playoff team. Statistics like goal differential and regulation wins don't lie. They're dead middle of the pack league wide.

What makes them difficult to analyze is the poor goaltending. When they get shelled by better teams, it's easy to chalk it all up to bad goaltending. But I think that's becoming a bit of a scapegoat. The Kings have huge roster issues, as well as big problems with discipline, focus, and game management.
Sounds about right for a team that is transitioning from a lottery team to a playoff team.
 

Axl Rhoadz

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I could have sworn I watched the Kings in the playoffs last year and not the lottery. Must have been a dream.
Nope not a dream...but I thought it was 'overachieving'?

Basically, last year they should have been in a position where they were sniffing a playoff spot and if they didn't get in, it should not have been a surprise for anyone. This year, there should be no question, they should be a playoff team.

Problem is, we got a bunch of blowhards around here who are whining that the Kings aren't contenders. Of course they aren't! They are barely a playoff team yet the trajectory is f***ing accurate. It's horseshit.
 
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I could have sworn I watched the Kings in the playoffs last year and not the lottery. Must have been a dream.
i get tired of predicting when the collaspse will happen,, and it usually does.

what a #### team !!!!!!!!

and can they trade or send QB down?? he takes senseless late games penaities whenver they are needed
 
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King'sPawn

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I could have sworn I watched the Kings in the playoffs last year and not the lottery. Must have been a dream.
I think the biggest issue with the Kings isn't that they're mentally weak or fragile, but are more susceptible to highs and lows based on their confidence.

I know people HATE bringing up previous regimes, but Sutter was very good at gauging the pulse and focus of the team. A lot of it was player driven, as well, like Richards, Mitchell, Williams, etc. Even when the team was down, they were often very good at plugging along with their game.

It's part of the reason why the lack of timeouts with McLellan is often infuriating; first, second, or third period, the Kings either score goals in droves or they allow goals in droves. They take shots en masse or are hemmed into their zone.

It's one of the dangers of running an "offensive" system, or a run-and-gun game. Focusing on generating offense depends on a team having confidence that the shot will go in or create a scoring chance. Once you lose confidence, the players take that extra second waiting for the perfect shot. When things don't go your way, you become more reactive than proactive, which leads to momentum swings.

I'm not saying the Kings are the only team experiencing this. Quite the opposite. Every team goes through this. But this is why you need to have a coach who knows how to read the bench and read the room, and knows the proper ways to motivate and refocus the players. And frankly, it's one of the best qualities of Brind'Amour. He has a very workman-like approach to the game, which he demands from his players. It's why their approach to the game didn't really change much even though they were down.

This loss stings for many reasons. For one, there's a long break between this game and the next. However, it also juxtaposed the two coaches in their approach.
 

johnjm22

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The Sutter Kings had lots of ups and downs. Especially in 2014. I think people forget just how low things got at times during 2014.

Sutter was also criticized for not using timeouts.

The Kings haven't had a really great regular season team in 30 years.
 

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The Sutter Kings had lots of ups and downs. Especially in 2014. I think people forget just how low things got at times during 2014.

Sutter was also criticized for not using timeouts.

The Kings haven't had a really great regular season team in 30 years.
I would argue that 2012 was even worse -- I believe we only made the playoffs by two points. We were VERY close to not even getting in.
 

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When is it reasonable to expect results that include winning a playoff series? Is it this year? Next year?

This is Rob Blake's 6th season, the team has 3 total playoff wins in the previous 5 seasons and is fighting for a playoff spot this season (I'd guess the Kings are somewhere around 60% to get in?), the team has some things to be excited about but also some glaring issues that probably should not exist in year 6 of a managers tenure.

If this is another growing year and missing the playoffs or not winning a round is acceptable, is next season a do or die year for Blake? There has to be some expectation for results pretty soon, right? Blake has had 7 picks in the Top 45, including four picks inside the Top 12, in addition ownership has paid up for Fiala and Danault, who have both been solid veterans.
 
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When is it reasonable to expect results that include winning a playoff series? Is it this year? Next year?

This is Rob Blake's 6th season, the team has 3 total playoff wins in the previous 5 seasons and is fighting for a playoff spot this season (I'd guess the Kings are somewhere around 60% to get in?), the team has some things to be excited about but also some glaring issues that probably should not exist in year 6 of a managers tenure.

If this is another growing year and missing the playoffs or not winning a round is acceptable, is next season a do or die year for Blake? There has to be some expectation for results pretty soon, right? Blake has had 7 picks in the Top 45, including four picks inside the Top 12, in addition ownership has paid up for Fiala and Danault, who have both been solid veterans.
It's too convenient to throw out things like '6th season, 3 playoff wins in 5 years'...we are obviously losing a lot of context there, but what else is new to this group.

Blake inherited DL's mess and tried to squeeze what he could out of it before blowing the thing up. So in reality, this is year 4 of the 'rebuild' that had the Kings making the playoffs in year 3 and taking EDM to seven games -- not so bad.

I was not initially a fan of Blake taking over at all -- not to mention he had zero 'head' GM experience. With that said, he's definitely grown on my in the last few years and I've extremely impressed with his trades and ability to hold on to the youth and allow them to grow.

At this point, I believe he's earned his 3-year extension that started this season and I see him going nowhere unless the Kings severely fall off the cliff.
 

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I think the biggest issue with the Kings isn't that they're mentally weak or fragile, but are more susceptible to highs and lows based on their confidence.

I know people HATE bringing up previous regimes, but Sutter was very good at gauging the pulse and focus of the team. A lot of it was player driven, as well, like Richards, Mitchell, Williams, etc. Even when the team was down, they were often very good at plugging along with their game.

It's part of the reason why the lack of timeouts with McLellan is often infuriating; first, second, or third period, the Kings either score goals in droves or they allow goals in droves. They take shots en masse or are hemmed into their zone.

It's one of the dangers of running an "offensive" system, or a run-and-gun game. Focusing on generating offense depends on a team having confidence that the shot will go in or create a scoring chance. Once you lose confidence, the players take that extra second waiting for the perfect shot. When things don't go your way, you become more reactive than proactive, which leads to momentum swings.

I'm not saying the Kings are the only team experiencing this. Quite the opposite. Every team goes through this. But this is why you need to have a coach who knows how to read the bench and read the room, and knows the proper ways to motivate and refocus the players. And frankly, it's one of the best qualities of Brind'Amour. He has a very workman-like approach to the game, which he demands from his players. It's why their approach to the game didn't really change much even though they were down.

This loss stings for many reasons. For one, there's a long break between this game and the next. However, it also juxtaposed the two coaches in their approach.
I don't really hold McLellan as responsible for these situations as I do Blake. The Kings won't be winning any playoff rounds with this roster configuration. The defense is smallish and more importantly has a ridiculously low panic threshold. Any kind of pressure sees blind clearances up the boards to a team full of smallish wingers who have a very difficult time winning battles and getting clean clearances. Edmonton is soft as hell, but they just ground them up along the walls. Its an easy recipe to beat the Kings.

That hasn't been addressed at all. Blake drafts frills over spine. And by spine you know I mean the type of focused, safe thing first, second and third type of players you can ice late in games to shut down opponents. Hell, he traded the shrewdest spine pick he ever made for another frill player.

This team won't be holding many leads. Adrenaline won't be an issue, but tactically they will be massively outmatched. Even though he is known as sticking to Plan A regardless of the situation, McLellan doesn't even have a Plan B at his disposal.

If they want to win a round they need durable defensemen with poise, wingers who can win board battles AND inflict some damage of their own, and better goaltending. Clarke has poise up the wazoo, and both Bjornfot and Spence show it in spades in Ontario. Hopefully they are on their way. They have drafted absolutely no potential top 9 forwards who can thrive in physical play, and the goaltending is a mess.

I just don't see why so many place so much blame on McLellan here.
 
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I just don't see why so many place so much blame on McLellan here.

not calling TOs in critical moments, changing the lineup in games the team has won into a new lineup that results in a Loss- and then repeating the losing lineup to see another L. Strange choices in critical situations- Edler in the OT the other night comes to mind- using Kopi, Doughty, Kempe to start multiple OT games all resulting in losses, Durzi on the PK. Maybe nitpicking and monday morning qb but some examples nonetheless.

I Believe Tmac is a good guy and a good person who cares, and good with pregame strategy- but horrible at in game management. All of the items above are legit criticisms that probably made a 5-6 pt difference in the current standings.
 

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I don't really hold McLellan as responsible for these situations as I do Blake. The Kings won't be winning any playoff rounds with this roster configuration. The defense is smallish and more importantly has a ridiculously low panic threshold. Any kind of pressure sees blind clearances up the boards to a team full of smallish wingers who have a very difficult time winning battles and getting clean clearances. Edmonton is soft as hell, but they just ground them up along the walls. Its an easy recipe to beat the Kings.

That hasn't been addressed at all. Blake drafts frills over spine. And by spine you know I mean the type of focused, safe thing first, second and third type of players you can ice late in games to shut down opponents. Hell, he traded the shrewdest spine pick he ever made for another frill player.

This team won't be holding many leads. Adrenaline won't be an issue, but tactically they will be massively outmatched. Even though he is known as sticking to Plan A regardless of the situation, McLellan doesn't even have a Plan B at his disposal.

If they want to win a round they need durable defensemen with poise, wingers who can win board battles AND inflict some damage of their own, and better goaltending. Clarke has poise up the wazoo, and both Bjornfot and Spence show it in spades in Ontario. Hopefully they are on their way. They have drafted absolutely no potential top 9 forwards who can thrive in physical play, and the goaltending is a mess.

I just don't see why so many place so much blame on McLellan here.

Based on what? How many leads have they blown going into the third period, leading??
 

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Blake inherited DL's mess and tried to squeeze what he could out of it before blowing the thing up. So in reality, this is year 4 of the 'rebuild' that had the Kings making the playoffs in year 3 and taking EDM to seven games -- not so bad.

The entire BLuc takeover was based on the premise that the Kings as is were a Stanley Cup contender, do you not remember the press conference? Blake was basically forced into a rebuild after his moves to capitalize on the roster failed spectacularly. WD40, Kovalchuk, Neon Dion were all swings to salvage their vision and it just didn't work. I actually personally think the accelerated re-tool instead of rebuild was probably due to pressure from AEG. When BLuc forced out a coach and GM that were fresh off of two cup wins with the promise of more success they created expectations.
 
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Blake was basically forced into a rebuild after his moves to capitalize on the roster failed spectacularly. WD40, Kovalchuk, Neon Dion were all swings to salvage their vision and it just didn't work. I actually personally think the accelerated re-tool instead of rebuild was probably due to pressure from AEG. When BLuc forced out a coach and GM that were fresh off of two cup wins with the promise of more success they created expectations.
I don't really agree with this interpretation.

As soon as Blake took over the Kings stopped trading away futures. Kovalchuk was a way to add a player without giving up futures. I was completely fine with that signing because they were holding on to all their picks.

Dion was swapping one bad contract for another. I have no problem with that move either.

I don't really like Luc to be honest. But as soon as BLuc took over the Kings started building again.
 
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crassbonanza

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I don't really agree with this interpretation.

As soon as Blake took over the Kings stopped trading away futures. Kovalchuk was a way to add a player without giving up futures. I was completely fine with that signing because they were holding on to all their picks.

Dion was swapping one bad contract for another. I have no problem with that move either.

I don't really like Luc to be honest. But as soon as BLuc took over the Kings started building again.

I mean, even Deano was talking about holding onto picks after the Kings missed the playoffs. The general consensus was that it was time to hold onto some picks, which I will credit Blake with doing, but they also had an eye on competing. Which was stated clearly when Luc held the press conference firing Sutter/Lombardi and putting Blake and Stevens in charge. They clearly still believed in the roster, hence the signing of Kovalchuk and firing of Stevens/Bring in Desjardins for an entire season. Hell, the odd Pearson for Hagelin swap kind of spoke to that same mindset. They also didn't move on from players as soon as they could/should have. It was a similar half in approach that we are seeing now.
 

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