2021 VGK off season discussion thread

[The Duck Knight]

Would Ryan Strome interest from Rangers?

Probably not. We don't really need a middle 6 center that is just going to take playing time from Krebs or Glass.

 

[The Duck Knight]

With regards to Martinez I wonder if we might offer him extra years to keep the AAV manageable for us. Say he gets an offer of 3x5m from a non Cup contender, I'd offer him 5x3. He gets the same amount he would have if not more due to state taxes and he gets to stay in a winning situation he's familiar with.

 

[Brazen331]

You have to send Fleury and his cap hit to Pittsburgh first for perhaps a 3rd or 4th rounder. He won’t go to Buffalo.

Then offer:
Alex Tuch
Either Glass or Krebs
2022 1st

For Eichel. I doubt that they get a better offer than that. You never get full value. Ottawa didn’t get it for Stone, Buffalo won’t for Eichel.

 

[azvgk]

If they didn't have a similar hang up about trading him to a divisional rival, and a hated one, I'd be up for it.

I'd like Hertl if the price is right. Big, strong, goes to the net - Sharks are years away from contention with massive albatross contracts for Karlsson and Burns so they might look to get some draft choices/prospects.

I want nothing to do with Ovechkin. Ten million+ for what he is now, a power play specialist, we have Pacioretty for that. Don't want a new overpaid superstar. No Eichel, price way too high, worry about him going forward due to medical issues. I don't want to be the Sharks. We need some tweaks to get over the hump, not a massive rebuild.

 

[azvgk]

Would Ryan Strome interest from Rangers?

Not really - being originally a Ranger season ticket holder for 25 years, I still watch the Rangers a lot (though I'm VGK all the way). Strome does not really interest me as a top 6 player, and he's paid like one.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Alec Martinez played the playoffs on a broken foot. I knew it was a foot injury. He definitely looked hampered skating at times.

 

[LadyStanley]

One injury revealed

 

[LadyStanley]

Locker room vlean out quotes today

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[azvgk]

Reilly Smith will have a big year next year - book it! Contract year, afterwards he needs to take a hometown discount (it's a low tax state).

 

[LadyStanley]

Paywall

Yeah, didn't think Dansk would stick around after essentially not playing for a year

 

[Haguerbomb]

Not a big fan of impatient Foley.

 

[azvgk]

Not a big fan of impatient Foley.

Trading Tuch, Marchessault, Krebs, et al for Eichel is insanity. Just keep building a contender bit by bit, we'll be a powerhouse for years.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Trading Tuch, Marchessault, Krebs, et al for Eichel is insanity. Just keep building a contender bit by bit, we'll be a powerhouse for years.

Stone scores two points per 6-7 game series in rounds 2 and 3.
Pacioretty has famously gone colder in the playoffs his career.
Tuch, Marchessault and Smith have shown they are inconsistent.
Pacioretty is 33 and Smith 32.

Staying put doesn't help us compete now or help us for the future.

Getting a bona fide top 10 center who is 24 and could help us for a decade isn't setting the team up to be a powerhouse for years?

 

[theslatcher]

Stone scores two points per 6-7 game series in rounds 2 and 3.
Pacioretty has famously gone colder in the playoffs his career.
Tuch, Marchessault and Smith have shown they are inconsistent.
Pacioretty is 33 and Smith 32.

Staying put doesn't help us compete now or help us for the future.

Getting a bona fide top 10 center who is 24 and could help us for a decade isn't setting the team up to be a powerhouse for years?

Smith is 30. Marchy, & him usually are money in the POs but this year Bill had all the mojo. And Patches was great his first year + this year.

But yeah, core is only getting older.

 

[LadyStanley]

Not a big fan of impatient Foley.

He's also the reason VGK has $12m for goaltending. He wants MAF to stay.

So, either Foley has to allow McCrimmon to make a good hockey choice with the roster, or he restricts them to "win now", and hindering future with fewer future assets.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Smith is 30. Marchy, & him usually are money in the POs but this year Bill had all the mojo. And Patches was great his first year + this year.

But yeah, core is only getting older.

My problem is our scorers seem to fade away nearly completely after round one and tend to go away in games 5,6,7. As the matchups theoretically get harder. The last four games against Colorado are atypical of us. Or games 3,4,5. Game six was again our defense and bottom lines coming up big. Even game 7 Minnesota was third line and defense.

Going back all the way to the inaugural run and the only time any games 5,6,7 weren't won for us by depth and defense was game 6 SJ when Marchessault got the first in a 3-0 win. The other two were indeed third line and defense.

Our top scorers have shown a trend to fade as the rounds wear on and series wear on to their later stages. And we aren't good at coming back from trailing a series or putting a series away when we're ahead.

Eichel just makes sense in every way for us.

24, top ten center, goal scorer, big and fast, signed for five seasons, a main piece to take pressure off Pacioretty and Stone who have wilted when relied on as the guy. Or if Marchessault goes quiet for 6-7 games in a row like he has three of four years with us. And if he's not scoring, he's a detriment with turnovers and penalties.

Even the contract fits. Our center depth would be top three? in the league and the cost one of the most reasonable.

Eichel 10 (5 years, 29 at end)
Karlsson 5.9 (6 years, 33 at end)
Stephenson 2.75 (3 years, 30 at end)
Roy .75 (1 year, 25 at end, RFA arb.)
*2 years RFA
Glass .863 (1 year, 23 at end, RFA)
*4 years RFA
Morozov, Dorofeyev, etc.

20.263 for six centers with top nine potential on your roster? All well under 30?

14 for Pietrangelo and Theodore as your top two defense for four years? Deal with the goalie cap and we would be excellent at cap managing in a flat cap era the next three years.

 

[azvgk]

Stone scores two points per 6-7 game series in rounds 2 and 3.
Pacioretty has famously gone colder in the playoffs his career.
Tuch, Marchessault and Smith have shown they are inconsistent.
Pacioretty is 33 and Smith 32.

Staying put doesn't help us compete now or help us for the future.

Getting a bona fide top 10 center who is 24 and could help us for a decade isn't setting the team up to be a powerhouse for years?

Who makes 10 million+ a year and may not be the same due to injury?

 

[Vegan Knight]

Who makes 10 million+ a year and may not be the same due to injury?

I addressed 10 million fits beautifully into our cap structure. They would check on his health and only go forward if they were reasonably confident.

Tweaks and staying still is a recipe for sliding back little by little and being empty handed at the end of it.

 

[Pia8988]

Adding Eichel could work, just depends on cap and cost. Not down with something absurd like glass + krebs + tuch + ect.

 

[azvgk]

I addressed 10 million fits beautifully into our cap structure. They would check on his health and only go forward if they were reasonably confident.

Tweaks and staying still is a recipe for sliding back little by little and being empty handed at the end of it.

Not necessarily - we're making the playoffs under almost any circumstances, so there is zero reason to rush or blow things up. Let's see how things work out with Krebs, possibly Glass, et al. I'm not interested in trading Tuch, Krebs or the misfits. I could see trading Pacioretty, one goalie, ditching Holden and Reaves if possible, and not really in a rush to resign Janmark. I'd prefer Nosek be signed if he's reasonable.

 

[Vegan Knight]

Not necessarily - we're making the playoffs under almost any circumstances, so there is zero reason to rush or blow things up. Let's see how things work out with Krebs, possibly Glass, et al. I'm not interested in trading Tuch, Krebs or the misfits. I could see trading Pacioretty, one goalie, ditching Holden and Reaves if possible, and not really in a rush to resign Janmark. I'd prefer Nosek be signed if he's reasonable.

There's every reason to rush because our stars are only getting older and even if younger players eventualy grow, which we've already seen you can't bank on, they would just be replacing production from stars getting older and slowing down not improving a team that is already not there.

 

[Brazen331]

Everyone keeps saying Top 10 C. Yes, that was what he was in Buffalo. In Vegas, Eichel could be Top 5…he could even be MVP of the league potentially.

Plus, assuming we are able to trade and hang on to Tuch, you would want to play these 2 former Team USA members together.

That would allow you to ice a top line of Pacioretty-Eichel-Tuch, the All -American line, and the luxury of having a player like Stone on the 2nd Line.

Which would be nuts. Having a player like Stone on the 2nd should alleviate much of the loss of depth that results when you give up assets for a top player.

Unfortunately, there are teams like LA, Anaheim and Ottawa with loads of young sssets that we don’t have.

 

[Brazen331]

I'd be open to Getz but a hell no to RNH. And stay far far far away from Eichel. There is zero doubt in my mind that if he gets either ACDF or ADR that he is done. I know from personal experience that there is no way that either type is meant to take the abuse of a professional athlete. Doctors never give out the true numbers of patients that continue to go to pain clinics monthly to get pain meds and most of the people in a crowded pain clinic will say they had neck surgery and regret it. I had no choice as my right arm had shooting pain to my neck and I was at risk of losing all control of my right arm if I did not save the nerve that my disks were crushing.

I would love to be proven wrong by Jack Eichel then he could be the shining beacon of hope for those with chronic pain after neck surgery

So according to you, pursuing Eichel is dumb but shelling out that money for an aged RW to specialize on the PP is smart?

Isn’t RW our strongest position and C our weakest? And you told me that I was ignorant about hockey on one of your previous visits.

Ignorance is thinking Ovi is worth what he is demanding at this advanced age.

 

[azvgk]

So according to you, pursuing Eichel is dumb but shelling out that money for an aged RW to specialize on the PP is smart?

Isn’t RW our strongest position and C our weakest? And you told me that I was ignorant about hockey on one of your previous visits.

Ignorance is thinking Ovi is worth what he is demanding at this advanced age.

Want no part of Ovi at the price he'll command, he's not anywhere near the player he was, basically Washington is going to kill their cap by paying roughly 12 mil for a power play specialist.

As for my previous point - Vegas will always be a destination for players, low tax state, rabid fans, great arena, low cost of living, etc. We're not going to fall off the map.