Speculation: 2021 Sharks Offseason Roster Discussion part VII

[Kcoyote3]

Is it just me or is the main broadcast camera really dark (especially the Sharks' jerseys)?

The jerseys definitely look different

 

[The Nemesis]

How the hell did this end up in the roster discussion thread? I never even noticed I was in a different tab/thread

My god, I'm turning into Spacemania.

 

[EXTRAS]

Why isn't barabanov playing?

 

[Lebanezer]

Why isn't barabanov playing?

He was injured in training camp and hasn't had a chance to practice much yet. He should play on the road trip.

 

[Alaskanice]

If the Sharks know something is happening with the Kane contract, I think they could put a package together that satisfies the 4 x 1st round equivalent prices that was the ask, without decimating* their roster or prospect pool (e.g. Meier/Labanc + Weisblatt/Bordeleau + Merkley + conditioned 22/23 1st).

If Kane’s contract is being kept around then they’d have to move out multiple roster pieces, and then it starts getting dicey that it makes sense in the short and long term. Something like Leblanc + Meier +++ makes competing this year much more difficult (being that Eichel is gonna be gone for a good chunk of the season).

*in the colloquial sense, not in the technical sense - because that is almost exactly what they would be doing (reduce forces by 10%)

I believe that since we have “blue chip” prospects that we could move, makes our offer work. Just my sense.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

I really like Weatherby.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

Knyzhov out 8 to 10 weeks following surgery on Oct. 22

 

[Jargon]

I’d love Eichel but if you remove Meier and Labanc from the lineup our team is decimated. Who replaces them? Leonard could maaaaybe stand-in for Labanc, but Meier isn’t replaceable and if Eichel got his surgery tomorrow, how long would he have to sit to be able to play? It would be throwing in the towel this season. It also might kill the morale that’s forming. I’m not necessarily against it, but it’s a rough trade for the team.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’d love Eichel but if you remove Meier and Labanc from the lineup our team is decimated. Who replaces them? Leonard could maaaaybe stand-in for Labanc, but Meier isn’t replaceable and if Eichel got his surgery tomorrow, how long would he have to sit to be able to play? It would be throwing in the towel this season. It also might kill the morale that’s forming. I’m not necessarily against it, but it’s a rough trade for the team.

They will at most trade one of them. Not both just because competing is important to them right now. They can get away with one but not the other.

 

[DG93]

They will at most trade one of them. Not both just because competing is important to them right now. They can get away with one but not the other.

Labanc, Ozzie, Merkley, 2023 1st...the DW special lol

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Labanc, Ozzie, Merkley, 2023 1st...the DW special lol

That's likely the most we could do right now and that'll get beat easy.

 

[tiburon12]

That's likely the most we could do right now and that'll get beat easy.

would it? pickings are slim for Buff

 

[themelkman]

would it? pickings are slim for Buff

I dont see it done without Bordeleau. I doubt teams value Merkley high

 

[Pinkfloyd]

would it? pickings are slim for Buff

Yeah. Picking aren't that slim.

 

[tealzamboni]

Labanc, Ozzie, Merkley, 2023 1st...the DW special lol

Save Labanc for the Kravtsov deal

 

[tealzamboni]

I’d love Eichel but if you remove Meier and Labanc from the lineup our team is decimated. Who replaces them? Leonard could maaaaybe stand-in for Labanc, but Meier isn’t replaceable and if Eichel got his surgery tomorrow, how long would he have to sit to be able to play? It would be throwing in the towel this season. It also might kill the morale that’s forming. I’m not necessarily against it, but it’s a rough trade for the team.

I'm hesitant about an Eichel deal, but if Eichel had surgery and Kane came back, the top 6 would probably hold. And maybe Barabanov/Leonard/Gambrell would have to step up in a bottom six role.

But, if everything went right, Kane would be back, Eichel would push Couture to wing, and one of Dahlen/Eklund/Balcers could move to a third line role.

 

[Kcoyote3]

I'm hesitant about an Eichel deal, but if Eichel had surgery and Kane came back, the top 6 would probably hold. And maybe Barabanov/Leonard/Gambrell would have to step up in a bottom six role.

But, if everything went right, Kane would be back, Eichel would push Couture to wing, and one of Dahlen/Eklund/Balcers could move to a third line role.

Kane is dead to us. There is no more Kane

 

[Red Light Lover]

Kane is dead to us. There is no more Kane

No Kane, only Zuul.

 

[seroes]

Kane is dead to us. There is no more Kane

You talking about that guy from Chicago? What did he do?

 

[hohosaregood]

I wonder if they even bother playing Kane if/when he comes back. Especially if the team is doing well AND Kane only gets a light punishment because it's all true.

 

[Barrie22]

I’d love Eichel but if you remove Meier and Labanc from the lineup our team is decimated. Who replaces them? Leonard could maaaaybe stand-in for Labanc, but Meier isn’t replaceable and if Eichel got his surgery tomorrow, how long would he have to sit to be able to play? It would be throwing in the towel this season. It also might kill the morale that’s forming. I’m not necessarily against it, but it’s a rough trade for the team.

Meier is replaced by eichel/couture. It would only then be labanc that needs to be replaced.

 

[tiburon12]

Yeah. Picking aren't that slim.

Not being intentionally contrarian, i just don't think that's true. There's probably 5 teams who could do it (cap wise) and even fewer who want to. Doesn't seem like big rumor teams are in. ANA or LAK don't want to, Rangers are probably out, Vegas can't afford to lose any more players.... idk who fits and it's too risky for them because those teams have actual good prospects to lose.

2023 1st
Young roster-ready player who can also be a cap equalizer
Blue chip prospect (Weisblatt?)
Conditional pick based on Eichel's games/performance

That's what Buffalo is probably gonna get

The benefit the Sharks have is that they can't afford to roll any dice on a trade like this after what happened during the Karlsson trade, and they don't nearly have the high-potential prospects to risk. It's conceivable that if a trade with the Sharks gets done, DW will protect his biggest assets by conditions or by just not trading them. in other words, I think if the Sharks are in it's gonna be a spare parts trade with limited risk going out.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Not being intentionally contrarian, i just don't think that's true. There's probably 5 teams who could do it (cap wise) and even fewer who want to. Doesn't seem like big rumor teams are in. ANA or LAK don't want to, Rangers are probably out, Vegas can't afford to lose any more players.... idk who fits and it's too risky for them because those teams have actual good prospects to lose.

2023 1st
Young roster-ready player who can also be a cap equalizer
Blue chip prospect (Weisblatt?)
Conditional pick based on Eichel's games/performance

That's what Buffalo is probably gonna get

The benefit the Sharks have is that they can't afford to roll any dice on a trade like this after what happened during the Karlsson trade, and they don't nearly have the high-potential prospects to risk. It's conceivable that if a trade with the Sharks gets done, DW will protect his biggest assets by conditions or by just not trading them. in other words, I think if the Sharks are in it's gonna be a spare parts trade with limited risk going out.

Chances are that Eichel is ltir for the season. I don't think cap is really an issue. It's wanting to pay the appropriate price for the risk and I think Colorado could do it if Buffalo retains. I think Vegas could do it too among other teams. We just don't have the expendable assets to pay up and still contend.

 

[STL Shark]

Chances are that Eichel is ltir for the season. I don't think cap is really an issue. It's wanting to pay the appropriate price for the risk and I think Colorado could do it if Buffalo retains. I think Vegas could do it too among other teams. We just don't have the expendable assets to pay up and still contend.

How does Colorado make any sense? Buffalo isn’t going to retain anything of substance for the term that Eichel has left (teams don’t do that except for Toronto on Kessel which they regretted soon after). They have to deal with an impending Mackinnon extension that’s going to cost them at least $5 mil more than the $6.3 million he’s making right now. They have to fill 7 skaters and 2 goalies into the lineup next year with only $25 million in cap space. There’s no realistic way they can make an Eichel deal work, especially because there is no guarantee he plays this year and they’re all in this year or bust.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Chances are that Eichel is ltir for the season. I don't think cap is really an issue. It's wanting to pay the appropriate price for the risk and I think Colorado could do it if Buffalo retains. I think Vegas could do it too among other teams. We just don't have the expendable assets to pay up and still contend.

What kind of appetite does Buffalo have to retain for this season plus 4 more? It seems to me 4+ years of retained salary is exceedingly rare.

That being said, it’s not like they are likely to be cap constrained for the next 3-4 seasons of a rebuild. If they are willing to take the, frankly superficial, sour pill - 4.5 years of Eichel @ $6-5M would probably open the bidding up considerably.