Speculation: 2021 Sharks Offseason Roster Discussion part III

[Herschel]

I wouldn't count on that given this sort of deal and the typical issues that Edmonton has luring players into their fold.

For the Oilers to take a significant step they are going to need Klef to be healthy and play PLUS have Bouchard take a significant step AND add to their top 6 and top 9 WHILE staying under the cap.

 

[magic school bus]

After the Keith trade, I have a lot more faith in being able to find a trade for Burns if necessary.

Yup. I no longer believe we are stuck with any of these contracts. No more excuses for Doug, make the calls.

 

[STL Shark]

Yup. I no longer believe we are stuck with any of these contracts. No more excuses for Doug, make the calls.

Yeah, Keith with $5.54 million per year for 2 years (and $2.1 and $1.5 mil of real dollars) is totally the exact same as Vlasic, Karlsson, Burns, etc. with 4-6 years left on their deals /s

 

[Pavelski2112]

Yeah, Keith with $5.54 million per year for 2 years (and $2.1 and $1.5 mil of real dollars) is totally the exact same as Vlasic, Karlsson, Burns, etc. with 4-6 years left on their deals /s

Burns is far more useful than Vlasic at this point, and a far better contract than Karlsson. Retain 1-2mil and you can get something for him.

 

[Coily]

Perfect. We’re gonna trade Meier and Jones for Crosby and then sign Ovechkin for league min.

ESPN might show a Sharks game on a national broadcast if we did those moves.

 

[tealzamboni]

From the Kurz article from last month, I don't think Burns would hold DW to just a 3 team list. Would just have to sign off on where he'd be going, which would rule out someone like Winnipeg who would otherwise be a good fit for him. But yes, finding another top 4 RHD would be a difficult task for sure.

2021-2022, the year of the Boogie whisperer
Kane + Kadri + Deangelo
buy low, goon hard

 

[STL Shark]

Burns is far more useful than Vlasic at this point, and a far better contract than Karlsson. Retain 1-2mil and you can get something for him.

Sure, but that is something totally different than what the post that I quoted said. Burns can probably be moved, but every other contract comes with baggage/issues. Vlasic is NMC and forever long. Kane has the rumored issues with teammates (right or wrong that is what is floating out there), Couture is going to be old, Karlsson is unmovable, etc.

So while yes there is an option in which Burns can be moved, I don't know that the ensuing retention and cost to replace those minutes on this roster are worth it currently. The more I think about it, you are probably likely to get more return on Burns in a year or two than now as teams see the perceived risk to be less as the term on that contract goes further and further down. That could be totally wrong, but that's where I am landing right now thinking through the options and likelihood of moves. Don't see the Sharks retaining $2 million for 4 years and don't know how many teams are lining up for Burns at full value right now for 4 years while sending decent assets back in return. Term of the deal is probably the biggest obstacle right now to a Burns deal.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yeah, Keith with $5.54 million per year for 2 years (and $2.1 and $1.5 mil of real dollars) is totally the exact same as Vlasic, Karlsson, Burns, etc. with 4-6 years left on their deals /s

Let them have hope. At least in Burns' case, if he remains even just this level of effective with two years to go, it's reasonable to think he could be moved in a trade. But even so, whatever differences there are could be made up for in different ways. The Oilers took him at full price with no cap sent the other way. The Sharks would very likely be happy to do both retain and take dumps back to accommodate something for at least someone like Vlasic or Jones. At least with Jones, the position makes it likely impossible to address in any way other than a buyout or burial until it's done. Sharks could put Vlasic's cap hit at 5.5 mil and take back someone like James Neal or Mikko Koskinen or whoever to make it work. Burns would require less because he's still significantly more effective but it's possible.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Landeskog has never been a center though. He's been a LW his entire career. He is a good faceoff guy when he takes draws for a notably poor FO guy in Mackinnon, but he's still a winger. Don't see that being a real option at this stage of his career to change positions and responsibilities.

The ole HF thought process.
People would say a top 15 pick and a prospect like Weisblatt would be too much to give up for Crosby

That's how you know there are no actual GM's posting here...

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Very funny to see someone give positive assets for Duncan Kieth

Didn't Vlasic put up better fancy stats than Keith last season? I thought I read that somewhere... Retain a couple mil and give up a mid level prospect and Vlasic should be like gold in the trade market!

Yeah, Keith with $5.54 million per year for 2 years (and $2.1 and $1.5 mil of real dollars) is totally the exact same as Vlasic, Karlsson, Burns, etc. with 4-6 years left on their deals /s

Not the exact same but make it at least seem possible.

Burns is far more useful than Vlasic at this point, and a far better contract than Karlsson. Retain 1-2mil and you can get something for him.

Retain 2mil on Burns they should be able to bring back at least 3 pieces. A high pick, a good prospect and another mid pick or mid level prospect. If Burns doesn't have to play the shutdown role and gets PP1 time he's putting up 50+ points at least 2 more seasons.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

From the Kurz article from last month, I don't think Burns would hold DW to just a 3 team list. Would just have to sign off on where he'd be going, which would rule out someone like Winnipeg who would otherwise be a good fit for him. But yes, finding another top 4 RHD would be a difficult task for sure.

Though I guess that is where a Labanc deal could come in. Burns to Philly with Konecny as part of the return as the top 6 RW and then Labanc + Simek to someone for a top 4 D. Could also then sign another 2/3 pair tweener as well to push Knyzhov/Vlasic to the 3rd pair. Really just a matter of how many deals can DW pull off hah. Would take at least 2-3 if you're moving Labanc/Burns to piece back together a somewhat complete lineup as each deal individually opens up another hole. So kind of have to have the full puzzle put together before you can move the first piece.

From my experiences meeting Burnzie and his family, I think he’s be a whole lot more inclined to go somewhere like winnipeg than the rangers. He’s the type of guy who wants to play for a small market team and somewhere where there’s good fishing and hunting.

 

[Barrie22]

From my experiences meeting Burnzie and his family, I think he’s be a whole lot more inclined to go somewhere like winnipeg than the rangers. He’s the type of guy who wants to play for a small market team and somewhere where there’s good fishing and hunting.

None of that would matter during the season, and burns lives in texas during the offseason even while he is with the sharks.

 

[OffSydes]

None of that would matter during the season, and burns lives in texas during the offseason even while he is with the sharks.

They don't play every day and can take day trips and such. I think him or Pavs had/has a hunting/fishing cabin further north.

 

[themelkman]

No doubt WPG would be interested, but I dont know that Burns waives there considering its the place most listed on NMC and NTCs

 

[magic school bus]

Yeah, Keith with $5.54 million per year for 2 years (and $2.1 and $1.5 mil of real dollars) is totally the exact same as Vlasic, Karlsson, Burns, etc. with 4-6 years left on their deals /s

Did you see Ken Holland's quotes about the trade? He called Keith Chicago's #1 dman and the Hawks are on TV all the time. Half the league thinks like this dinosaur. They probably haven't watched Vlasic or Burns play in years

 

[Jargon]

Did you see Ken Holland's quotes about the trade? He called Keith Chicago's #1 dman and the Hawks are on TV all the time. Half the league thinks like this dinosaur. They probably haven't watched Vlasic or Burns play in years

that’s always been my hope with Vlasic. I know everyone thinks he’s untradeable but i have a sneaking suspicion DW can actually get an okay return based on his reputation. It does mean Vlasic waiving though and I think he’d rather bitterly hang on to prove a point…

 

[Coily]

I would bet Wilson isn't shopping Vlasic more than Vlasic is a PIA about waiving if a deal is to be made.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Did you see Ken Holland's quotes about the trade? He called Keith Chicago's #1 dman and the Hawks are on TV all the time. Half the league thinks like this dinosaur. They probably haven't watched Vlasic or Burns play in years

Exactly why I've repeatedly said the Sharks Albatros contracts aren't as untradeable as so many here make them out to be. Yes they would be difficult and likely require some retention but nothing is ever immovable in the NHL even with a NMC. I will concede that EK65 is likely the closest to immovable as there is in the NHL though. Everyone else you can never say never.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

that’s always been my hope with Vlasic. I know everyone thinks he’s untradeable but i have a sneaking suspicion DW can actually get an okay return based on his reputation. It does mean Vlasic waiving though and I think he’d rather bitterly hang on to prove a point…

He says he's going to be the Sharks #1 shutdown D-man taking the toughest matchups next season... Dude should be remanded to a mental facility.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

No doubt WPG would be interested, but I dont know that Burns waives there considering its the place most listed on NMC and NTCs

Is this true or are you speculating? Serious question. I would bet it's true but wonder where else is high on this list.

 

[Doctor Soraluce]

Rumors about buy out candidates... I know he's not great but... How bad is James Neal? Serious question as I haven't paid attention to him since Vegas. Could he be a shooter on the 3rd or 4th line at league minimum? Dude got 20 goals season before last. I'm guessing it's a no. Just wonder if he could be cheap depth goal scorer. Is he better to have around than Patty? I'm betting they're signing some vet to also play in the bottom 6 or be the healthy scratch because this is DW we're talking about.

EDIT: After reading more about his recent play, never mind.

So are there any other potential buy out victims that could be useful for the Sharks?

 

[STL Shark]

Did you see Ken Holland's quotes about the trade? He called Keith Chicago's #1 dman and the Hawks are on TV all the time. Half the league thinks like this dinosaur. They probably haven't watched Vlasic or Burns play in years

Did you not see the quote from Vlasic saying he's finishing his career in San Jose and giving no consideration whatsoever to waiving his NMC to go anywhere else (cliff notes version of what was said)? Also, Keith still was the #1 D-Man on the Blackhawks so there's nothing controversial or idiotic about that statement. He led Chicago D-Men in ice time per game by over a minute last year. So while that may be more of a Chicago issue in terms of having no one else to take on those minutes, that statement is not ill contrived.

And even after all of that, it still does not address the root issue of the term of these contracts being a huge issue. Keith at 2 years and requiring no retention was still $1.5 million less than Vlasic who has 5 years left. Teams aren't going to retain $2 million for 5 years on a guy and even at $5 million Vlasic is still overpaid as a 3rd pairing D-Man (which his minutes from last year indicated he was unlike Keith who was playing over 23 mins a night).

 

[Hodge]

Playing Vlasic-Karlsson 25 minutes a night in front of Jones would be such an easy way to tank and have the added benefit of pumping Vlasic and Karlsson's trade value since all GMs seem to care about is how many minutes a defenseman plays as opposed to how he actually performs in those minutes (see: Jones, Seth). That pairing would get torched for at least two goals against per game.

 

[themelkman]

Is this true or are you speculating? Serious question. I would bet it's true but wonder where else is high on this list.

It’s true from a survey a few years ago. Can’t find the article now but I think it was in the athletic

 

[tealzamboni]

He says he's going to be the Sharks #1 shutdown D-man taking the toughest matchups next season... Dude should be remanded to a mental facility.

This is workable. MEV just needs to be convinced he's the missing piece for Montreal to win the cup.