aboriginal
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I should add tho, this is if othmann is gone. Cuz that dude can hit some dingers. Still tho, it’s good to see that hovering around that isles pick are some crafty looking forwards we’ll have a shot at.
Prospect Info: 2021 NHL Draft Prospects - part II
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There’s a long conversation on this that’s been going on in the mock draft thread
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To be fair, Mukhamadullin went from a low ranged prospect to a higher ranked prospect this season it seems, so NJ wasn't wrong, in my thought, that Muk was better than the pre-draft rankings. With NJ not having a pick until the third round last draft, it was grab Mukhamadullin there or pick someone else who they just didn't like as much. (Maybe they could have traded down but who knows, maybe they tried and didn't like the offers) To them, he wasn't a reach. For whatever reason they saw him as a better choice than Lapierre or Perrault, or whoever. Nothing about his season suggests he's not a potential NHL player even if he is a project. My only criticism is that I suspect that Fitz handpicked Mukhamadullin for that selection based on the way he described him. If the scouts wanted someone else I'd be disappointed if Fitz overruled them.
Lysell won't but Rosen could, and Rosen matches up very well in terms of skill-set with Lysell and his huge upside is being a bit overlooked by the consensus.
Risto didn't develop defensively at all how anyone wanted him too and he's still a 35 point defensemen on a very bad team. If Mukhamadullin turns out to be Risto I don't think that would be brutal at all, maybe disappointing but that is still a producing blueliner. You can do things to mitigate his defensive shortcomings which Buffalo clearly never has.
He statistically had one of the best 18yr old defensive seasons in KHL history. He was good at WJC then got hurt, I don't know how anyone can be down on the pick as of today.
Risto is an anchor and has been a net negative. I have no interest in having that type of player on this team, but I do see (based on limited viewings) that Muk could be that type of a player.
I'm not a fan of the move but perhaps in a few years he can show to be better than I am anticipating.
I 100% guarantee if you put Risto on the Pens he would be a drastically better player. We shouldn't evaluating players and comparing without factoring in environment and how it affects players.
Reality is, Risto performs worse relative to his his teammates. He is just a terrible Dman.
If Muk becomes anything resembling that, he did not pan out.
Again I think he is misused on a bad in a bad situation, who was poorly developed and had bad coaching his whole career. He would be drastically better on almost any team with half decent coaching.
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Fitz outright said he tried to trade down and couldn’t find a trade partner. I don’t know about hand selecting Muk, it’s not he would scouts the players but the GM does make the final call in the 1st round, along the head of scouting. The team’s scouts don’t all speak with one unified voice and individual scouts focus on certain leagues.
Since we didn’t have a 2nd, and considering we took a goalie with our 3rd, I could see Fitz wanting a defenseman. Everybody sort of saw that coming though.
I can't say I know how every prospect drafted this year has done. But in an instant re draft, as ridiculous and unfair as it is to do that lol, I don't get why Muk wouldn't still be a 1st round pick.
Schneider is the guy I wish we drafted last year...In a redraft I believe he's top 10 after what he has done this year.
aboriginal
lou ****ing sucks
aboriginal
lou ****ing sucks
I should add, I’m not upset about the player, and I hope he balls out here. I think it’s just most people feel there were much more sure fire picks available and ones that were less of a gamble. I get why they reached since they liked him, but it’s entirely possible he would’ve been available later when they picked again. But I mean oh well, ain’t shit we can do now except hope the mukman does well.
That is fair, I belive if you can get your guy you get your guy. Obviously it comes down to how good your scouting department is. I think we have done an outstanding job drafting and Muk played well this year so I personally have no issue with the pick.
I agree, I feel Mukhamadullin was not the highest ranked player on the Devils draft board, but rather the highest ranked defenseman. Personally, I've been on here saying that, in the scenario which played out, I would have drafted Brock Faber, but I was not upset with Mukhamadullin.
I do feel the Devils need a bit more unification between the scouts. I feel the last few picks of the Devils' 2020 draft was taking different guys from different scouting regions (USHS, AJHL, Switzerland) which may have been more "giving every scout a guy" than picking the best available player. I just can't see another reason to take Edwards in the 4th when the next 8 picks saw names go like Villeneuve, Stranges, Farrell, Tullio, Vierling and Chromiak.
I think in a re-draft, Mukhamadullin goes around the end of the first round, maybe 10-12 picks after the Devils took him, which is not so bad. You'd have to figure certain names move ahead of him, like Faber, Niemela, Lapierre, Bordeleau, Peterka, Gunler and Mysak.
You can certainly debate Schneider deserves to be ahead of Rossi, and maybe about even with Faber. But I don't think in a re-draft you could say he'd be picked ahead of Holloway or Perfetti, for instance. I'd say the #13-#17 range is about right for him.
Why though, genuinely curious. Is one of the best 18yr old seasons in KHL history by a defensemen not outstanding? I can't actually fathom that many players had an equivalent or better season.
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I don’t agree with this. A big part of coming up with the teams draft board is the scouts having debates about players and essentially battling for certain players they really like just as we do at times on here. The scouts don’t need to be unified, they’re lobbying for the players they really believe in. When it’s time to pick the big guys make the final decision using they’re own opinion of the players, what their scouts are telling them and what they are looking for with that pick.
All it would take for the devils to take Edwards is for one scout to really like him and think he’s an underrated player and for Fitz and the others guys running things to like him as well from what they’ve seen and/or trust that scouts opinion on the player and then see the player as a fit for what they want.
Just because the consensus or other people had other players rated above Edwards doesn’t mean the Devils did or that everyone in their scouting department did. What the Devils are looking for is a big factor as well. Maybe the devils thought someone like Stranges was a better player but they were looking for something different and Edwards fit that better.
