Prospect Info: 2021 Draft - Part 3

[RAFI BOMB]

From what I've seen, I wouldn't consider Rosen or Lysell at 10. I don't see the hype and it seem like there are better players and better fits for the Sens organizational identity within that range.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[IranCondraAffair]

The f*** are we drafting a goalie for?

 

[RAFI BOMB]

 

[DaveMatthew]

The f*** are we drafting a goalie for?

To prevent goals?

 

[BondraTime]

The list of guys who could be taken at 10 is gigantic, much bigger pool than any other year.

I’d be willing to bet that most of the guys below are in the conversation at 10 for teams around the league. This is a scouting year like no other.

Lucius
Bolduc
Bourgoult
Raty
Lambos
Cossa
Wallstadt
Lysell
Rosen
Robertsson
L’Heureux
Othmann
Pinelli
Chibrikov
Coranato
Sillinger
Svechkov

Any of those guys and I wouldn’t be surprised. Obviously I have preferences, and some I’d be upset about, but I guarantee there are loads of guys who teams could be too 10 high on.

I do think it will come down to a pool of 3-4 guys, but there are going to be picks made this year where people view them as reaches.

 

[Yak]

Here’s
@ScoutingService
top-5 shooters for the #2021nhldraft
1-Cole Sillinger
2-Dylan Guenther
3-Logan Mailloux
4-Mason Mctavish
5-Niko Huuhtanen

This is where my thoughts are McTavish, Sillinger are my first choices and Wallstedt my 3rd. Watching Lysell, Lucius play away from the puck is horrid, some serious cherry pickers almost.

 

[Hale The Villain]

To prevent goals?

Murray - traded a 2nd+ for him and gave him a 4YR deal, only 27
Gustavsson - key piece in the Brassard trade
Sogaard - traded a 3rd just to move up to get him in the 2nd in 2019
Merilainen - taken in the 3rd round last year
Daccord - late pick that we've been developing for 6 years
Mandolese - late pick that we've been developing for 3 years

How many assets/picks are we going to spend on goaltenders?

More importantly, do the Sens not think they have a potential long-term starter in any of those guys?

Wouldn't a smarter strategy be to target a defenseman to prevent goals instead of yet another young goalie?

 

[Cosmix]

Kent Johnson baby

1. We're a Team

3 Years later

2. We're a Team that has Prospects

The insight is so insightful!

 

[Cosmix]

Not sure there is anyone here that can evaluate that accurately and honestly

So, we are all liars?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

So, we are all liars?

 

[DaveMatthew]

Murray - traded a 2nd+ for him and gave him a 4YR deal, only 27
Gustavsson - key piece in the Brassard trade
Sogaard - traded a 3rd just to move up to get him in the 2nd in 2019
Merilainen - taken in the 3rd round last year
Daccord - late pick that we've been developing for 6 years
Mandolese - late pick that we've been developing for 3 years

How many assets/picks are we going to spend on goaltenders?

More importantly, do the Sens not think they have a potential long-term starter in any of those guys?

Wouldn't a smarter strategy be to target a defenseman to prevent goals instead of yet another young goalie?

We've picked 24 players in the last 3 drafts. 3 have been goalies. I wouldn't call that a ton of picks.

Between 2008-2011, the Lightning drafted 4 goalies.
Prior to the 2012 draft, they traded two 2nd round picks for Anders Lindback.
In the 2012 draft, they picked Vasilevskiy in the 1st round.
In 2013, they traded for Ben Bishop.
Since picking Vasilevskiy, they've drafted 7 more goalies in 8 drafts.

How many assets/picks are we going to spend on goaltenders?

The answer is a lot. If you think you can get a potential top-5 starter, you jump on it, regardless of who else you have in the system. And when you already have a top-5 starter? You keep picking goalies, because they're a crapshoot.

 

[BondraTime]

This is where my thoughts are McTavish, Sillinger are my first choices and Wallstedt my 3rd. Watching Lysell, Lambos and Lucius play away from the puck is horrid, some serious cherry pickers almost.

Lambos is one of the best defensive guys in the draft, and he’s certainly not cherry picking as a D

 

[Yak]

Lambos is one of the best defensive guys in the draft, and he’s certainly not cherry picking as a D

My bad did not mean to put Lambos in their.Fixed.

 

[Dingleberry]

If Wallstedt or Cossa is the BPA on your list then just pick them. Always BPA at the top of the draft.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Some players I really like for a little later in the draft: Kisakov, Plandowski, Koivunen, Heimosalmi, Lazutin. Wondering if anyone has strong opinions on any of them.

 

[SAK11]

If Wallstedt or Cossa is the BPA on your list then just pick them. Always BPA at the top of the draft.

Agreed, these guys are likely 3-5 years away from truly helping us, way too hard to predict what our roster will look like by then.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Mark Seidel interview on the draft

 

[Hale The Villain]

We've picked 24 players in the last 3 drafts. 3 have been goalies. I wouldn't call that a ton of picks.

Between 2008-2011, the Lightning drafted 4 goalies.
Prior to the 2012 draft, they traded two 2nd round picks for Anders Lindback.
In the 2012 draft, they picked Vasilevskiy in the 1st round.
In 2013, they traded for Ben Bishop.
Since picking Vasilevskiy, they've drafted 7 more goalies in 8 drafts.

How many assets/picks are we going to spend on goaltenders?

The answer is a lot. If you think you can get a potential top-5 starter, you jump on it, regardless of who else you have in the system. And when you already have a top-5 starter? You keep picking goalies, because they're a crapshoot.

Vasilevskiy was a far better prospect at the same age than Wallstedt. He's never had a season below .910 SV% at any level going back a decade. Wallstedt couldn't even hit that mark this year, albeit playing as an 18YR old in the SHL.

If we had a pick in the 20-30 range maybe a case could be made that Wallstedt is the BPA, despite our tremendous deep prospect pool at the goalie position, but we're not.

We've already spent two 2nds and two 3rds in the past 2 years on young goalies who fit into our long-term plans. Adding a top 10 pick to that list is overkill.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Vasilevskiy was a far better prospect at the same age than Wallstedt. He's never had a season below .910 SV% at any level going back a decade. Wallstedt couldn't even hit that mark this year, albeit playing as an 18YR old in the SHL.

That's not at all true.

It's unlikely that Wallstedt will develop as well as Vasilevskiy, who's now a surefire HOFer and undeniably the best goalie in the NHL. But at 18 years old, nobody thought he'd become that, either. Wallstedt is every bit as good a prospect as Vasilevskyi was.

Looking at their SV% tells you next to nothing, considering the different leagues and teams they played on.

With the amount of picks we've had, we have zero positional needs. You take BPA at 10. If that's another goalie, you take him. It it's another LW. You take him. If it's another LD. You take him.

Saying don't take a goalie because Gustavsson or Soogard might develop into a #1 is like saying don't take a center because Norris might develop into Kyle Connor, Pinto into Sean Couturier, and Stützle might move there and be as good as Sebastian Aho.

 

[Hale The Villain]

With the amount of picks we've had, we have zero positional needs. You take BPA at 10. If that's another goalie, you take him. It it's another LW. You take him. If it's another LD. You take him.

Saying don't take a goalie because Gustavsson or Soogard might develop into a #1 is like saying don't take a center because Norris might develop into Kyle Connor, Pinto into Sean Couturier, and Stützle might move there and be as good as Sebastian Aho.

As I have said, BPA doesn't work the same way for goalies. You can't shift a goalie to the opposite side or further down the lineup like you can with a forward or a defenseman - he either plays or he doesn't.

There's room for Stutzle, Norris and Pinto to all play center, and if that happened to not be the case they could always be shifted to the wing to help the team at a different position. No such flexibility with goaltenders.

The position can get easily crowded and guys will have to get moved out for cents on the dollar or lost for nothing. Even proven goalies don't tend to return much via trade, let alone unproven prospects.

We should roll with what we have and hope that Murray rebounds and we get a starter out of Gustavsson/Sogaard/Daccord/Merilainen, and spend the 10th OVR pick on a player that can help the team in other ways.

 

[Hale The Villain]

I'm hoping the Wallstedt talk is a smokescreen to try to encourage a team like DET, LA or SJ that actually need a goalie prospect to take him before our pick instead of trading back.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I'm hoping the Wallstedt talk is a smokescreen to try to encourage a team like DET, LA or SJ that actually need a goalie prospect to take him before our pick instead of trading back.

There is no talk. It's nothing real.

 

[Ouroboros]

Saying don't take a goalie because Gustavsson or Soogard might develop into a #1 is like saying don't take a center because Norris might develop into Kyle Connor, Pinto into Sean Couturier, and Stützle might move there and be as good as Sebastian Aho.

Saying don't draft Wallstedt because we have Gustavsson and Sogaard is big 'they already have Jose Theodore, Cristobal Huet and Yann Danis' vibes as our newly minted Senior VP Of Hot Takes shouted on TSN when Carey Price was drafted.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Here’s
@ScoutingService
top-5 hitters for the #2021nhldraft
1-Tyler Boucher
2-Victor Sjoholm
3-Brennan Othmann
4-Eetu Liukas
5-Zakhar Bardakov