I don't like anything Boston would offer for a Garland return.
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I like the Islander option a LOT better. Beau, Dobson, Bellows plus 2 firsts for Garland/OEL. I'd jump at that offer.
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I love how Garland plays. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he is involved in an off season trade. We need draft capital. We have very little talent right now and are not rich in prospects. If BA indeed wants to rebuild, by the time we seriously challenge Garland will be between 29 and 31. Might as well trade him now with the hope to shorten the rebuild time. If BA is as good as I hope in drafting talent, he should trade everyone but the 22 year olds for draft stock. Yea, including Garland.
Agreed, Boston's window is closing. They have 2 elite assets in their 20's (Pasta, McAvoy) and Carlo is very solid, but that's it. Everyone else is 32+
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I like debrusk but he’s pretty lateral (maybe even depreciating in value) compared to Garland. Same price, similar production, but separate trajectories since debrusk is struggling. I could so see debrusk not working here, and even if he did he wouldn’t move the needle much, it would essentially just replace garland’s point production. What would be the point?
I think if Garland gets traded it will to to a SC contender needing that one player to try and seal the deal. NYI, Boston, Carolina for example.
Sorry slow day.
Teams who are contenders that could use someone on our roster:
TB - not sure we have a fit anywhere. Garland obviously but it could be hard for them to re-sign him.
CAR - Raanta or Kuemper seems like a decent fit here.
FL - I really think Kessel would be a great addition for them, especially since he may be agreeable to go there. They have the cap space.
NYI - Lee being out means they need some scoring. I imagine they are in on Hall, but have the prospects to get Garland. Could always take a not-so-good contract back. Kessel (if he would waive) seems like a possibility as well. They could also add Hall AND Garland especially if we help by taking back a bad contract.
WSH - Garland for McMichael is somewhat interesting. Demers seems like an insurance fit here as well.
Pitt - Goose makes almost too much sense.
Vegas - With Pietrangelo out you would think they could use an upgrade at defense but they keep chugging along. They don't really have the cap for some of our defensemen and I can't really see them wanting to mess with their chemistry by adding Garland.
CO - Not sure anything we have would entice them after the way they continually dominate us. They have some pieces that would make sense for Garland but secondary scoring isn't a big issue for them and they probably want to save space for players they need to re-sign.
MIN - Demers and Goligoski would be a fit with Dumba being out. Garland for secondary scoring. I wonder if Kessel would reconsider going to the midwest now that they are clearly not sellers.
TOR - Sounds like they have interest in our goaltenders.
EDM - Demers would make sense, Garland would make a ton of sense as a skill stand point and fitting in their cap long term. Taking back Neal could give them a lot of flexibility to pile on assets to acquire him.
Winnipeg - Not sure there are many fits. Kind of like Vegas where they seem to have great chemistry and no needs we can jump in to fill.
Just went for the top three teams in each division. Columbus, Boston, St. Louis and Montreal are the next teams in each division.
Teams who are contenders that could use someone on our roster:
TB - not sure we have a fit anywhere. Garland obviously but it could be hard for them to re-sign him.
CAR - Raanta or Kuemper seems like a decent fit here.
FL - I really think Kessel would be a great addition for them, especially since he may be agreeable to go there. They have the cap space.
NYI - Lee being out means they need some scoring. I imagine they are in on Hall, but have the prospects to get Garland. Could always take a not-so-good contract back. Kessel (if he would waive) seems like a possibility as well. They could also add Hall AND Garland especially if we help by taking back a bad contract.
WSH - Garland for McMichael is somewhat interesting. Demers seems like an insurance fit here as well.
Pitt - Goose makes almost too much sense.
Vegas - With Pietrangelo out you would think they could use an upgrade at defense but they keep chugging along. They don't really have the cap for some of our defensemen and I can't really see them wanting to mess with their chemistry by adding Garland.
CO - Not sure anything we have would entice them after the way they continually dominate us. They have some pieces that would make sense for Garland but secondary scoring isn't a big issue for them and they probably want to save space for players they need to re-sign.
MIN - Demers and Goligoski would be a fit with Dumba being out. Garland for secondary scoring. I wonder if Kessel would reconsider going to the midwest now that they are clearly not sellers.
TOR - Sounds like they have interest in our goaltenders.
EDM - Demers would make sense, Garland would make a ton of sense as a skill stand point and fitting in their cap long term. Taking back Neal could give them a lot of flexibility to pile on assets to acquire him.
Winnipeg - Not sure there are many fits. Kind of like Vegas where they seem to have great chemistry and no needs we can jump in to fill.
Just went for the top three teams in each division. Columbus, Boston, St. Louis and Montreal are the next teams in each division.
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wasn’t gonna be a fan but Utalked me into it
Insider Trading: Granlund could be an ideal fit for the Leafs
Says Bill Armstrong doesn’t want to rebuild, but willing to make some significant changes.
- Core players not out of the question to be moved
- Kuemper gaining some interest before the deadline as he is scheduled to be healthy by then
- Process of retooling roster likely bleeds into the offseason
this reeks of Keller getting traded. Bummer, love the kid. Will be pissed is G is the one on the outs.
Says Bill Armstrong doesn’t want to rebuild, but willing to make some significant changes.
- Core players not out of the question to be moved
- Kuemper gaining some interest before the deadline as he is scheduled to be healthy by then
- Process of retooling roster likely bleeds into the offseason
this reeks of Keller getting traded. Bummer, love the kid. Will be pissed is G is the one on the outs.
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"Not a firesale, but a strong appetite for different" was an interesting quote from the video. I think it will be one or two of Keller, Schmaltz and Garland. Schmaltz is a C, Keller is signed long term and Garland is coming up on an extension and is probably the belle of the ball right now. With rumors shifting around it sure feel like Garland is the guy before the offseason. Then maybe one of Keller or Schmaltz in the offseason. This makes me think OEL will be asked again where he is willing to go to this offseason.
Hope we are revisiting moving Kuemper. Sounds like Toronto is hungry and potentially would fuss up a 1st or 2nd. I wonder if Morgan's timeline he posted yesterday is accurate because Insider Trading seems to believe Kumper will be back for the deadline.
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To me kuemper and Raanta are both gone by the deadline if healthy. Kuemper might return a first if a team like the leafs or oilers get desperate. I’d also love to snag a guy like liljegren from Toronto if they don’t want to part with a pick. Dump goligoski and Demers for whatever.
Big trades like kessel, schmaltz/Keller/Garland and maybe even OEL will be in the off-season
Big trades like kessel, schmaltz/Keller/Garland and maybe even OEL will be in the off-season
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We’ve got a handful of fairly young, fairly valuable roster players. And a handful of pretty good top prospects. Then we’ve got nothing much of value, and an absolute dearth of draft picks. I just don’t think we’ve got the pieces to ever amount to much. I don’t think some smart signings and a few fortuitous tinkerings, and a new coach is enough.
What Duthie and Dreger were saying just made too much sense. We’re looking at the result of the last rebuild and it just ain’t enough. I think we need major changes. We need to exchange 2-3 of our valuable assets and turn them into 4-6 valuable assets. And we need a ton of luck and to hope that it’s enough.
Say you do OEL+Hunt+4th for DeBrusk+Vaakanainen+2nd
Then Garland+Goligoski+4th for Beauvillier+Dobson+2nd (and a dump like Ladd or Komarov).
Now suddenly you’ve added two D prospects in the tier of Soderstrom, where you had only him before.
DeBrusk and Beauvillier aren’t as good as Garland. But they’re young and pretty good also. And more importantly, they’re two guys rather than one.
And suddenly, we’ve got 4 2nd round picks in an absolute crapshoot draft that nobody has scouted properly. We have assembled a front office built on supposedly elite amateur scouting. Time to put the money where the mouth is and stake reputations. Could luck out tremendously. Get four prospects in that Jenik/Maccelli tier. Don’t f*** up.
It probably still isn’t enough. But it gives us a fighting chance. We at least have an opportunity to luck out a bit. More shit to throw at the wall. More fingers to cross.
What Duthie and Dreger were saying just made too much sense. We’re looking at the result of the last rebuild and it just ain’t enough. I think we need major changes. We need to exchange 2-3 of our valuable assets and turn them into 4-6 valuable assets. And we need a ton of luck and to hope that it’s enough.
Say you do OEL+Hunt+4th for DeBrusk+Vaakanainen+2nd
Then Garland+Goligoski+4th for Beauvillier+Dobson+2nd (and a dump like Ladd or Komarov).
Now suddenly you’ve added two D prospects in the tier of Soderstrom, where you had only him before.
DeBrusk and Beauvillier aren’t as good as Garland. But they’re young and pretty good also. And more importantly, they’re two guys rather than one.
And suddenly, we’ve got 4 2nd round picks in an absolute crapshoot draft that nobody has scouted properly. We have assembled a front office built on supposedly elite amateur scouting. Time to put the money where the mouth is and stake reputations. Could luck out tremendously. Get four prospects in that Jenik/Maccelli tier. Don’t f*** up.
It probably still isn’t enough. But it gives us a fighting chance. We at least have an opportunity to luck out a bit. More shit to throw at the wall. More fingers to cross.
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No one should be untouchable. Have to consider the return. It's not like they were key components of our last Stanley Cup.
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It's not a great return for an almost PPG player who's on a great current contract which won't cost teams anything.
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Would love to force an overpayment from a desperate Toronto on Kuemper. Would LOVE that. Kuemper with max retention for Andersen and Amirov!!!
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You son of a bitch, I'm in!
Retooling, rebuild, whatever...BA can call it what he wants but the team needs to be in maximize assets mode until they manage to ice an elite level young 1C or a franchise level winger. You do not exit the rebuild until that has occurred. Period.
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Good point. That’s how we got here.
We just need a Shane Wright or a Brad Lambert. That’s all. Of course, in typical Coyotes luck, the league just approved a whole bunch of changes that will make that much harder for us!!!!!
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Here is my take.
Garland and Keller are here to stay. So are Chychrun and Dvorak.
Hammer will come back and I don't think BA will try to force things on OEL again. But he might lose the C in exchange.
Of course if he wishes to go, big yes for BA.
If Kuemper can be reasonably extended, he will. Hill will compete with him full time.
Prov with at least another AHL year, which he needs.
Goli, Demmers, Raanta are as good as gone. Bush, Oesterle, Pitlick stay. Value contracts.
Crouse and Fischer, touch and go.
Schmaltz, Kessel on the move if there is any opportunity to do so, but this will be difficult.
Coming in: a new, attacking thinking coach (Van Ryn) and retooled staff (Varady and Stillman still here).
Whoever we get from the trades (if not picks).
Hayton, Soderstrom full time.
Jenik unsure.
A Macelli surprise.
Garland and Keller are here to stay. So are Chychrun and Dvorak.
Hammer will come back and I don't think BA will try to force things on OEL again. But he might lose the C in exchange.
Of course if he wishes to go, big yes for BA.
If Kuemper can be reasonably extended, he will. Hill will compete with him full time.
Prov with at least another AHL year, which he needs.
Goli, Demmers, Raanta are as good as gone. Bush, Oesterle, Pitlick stay. Value contracts.
Crouse and Fischer, touch and go.
Schmaltz, Kessel on the move if there is any opportunity to do so, but this will be difficult.
Coming in: a new, attacking thinking coach (Van Ryn) and retooled staff (Varady and Stillman still here).
Whoever we get from the trades (if not picks).
Hayton, Soderstrom full time.
Jenik unsure.
A Macelli surprise.
Absolutely right.
Murphy, Domi, POJ, Bahl and Mercer
Could all realistically be on the roster. I'm not counting Strome in this because Schmaltz is still here. I'm not counting the 7OA from 2017 because Raanta and Stepan were here for years, we have already gotten a return on Stepan and I don't want to just predict we would have drafted the best players available instead of Lias Andersson in Necas or Brannstrom.
Keller-Schmaltz-Garland
Domi-Dvo-Pitlick
OEL-Murphy
Chychrun-Goose
Is a pretty decent looking top 6 and top 4. Younger than our current one, cheaper and allows more flexibility to move vets if needed.
Our prospect pool depth would most likely look like:
Hayton
Soderstrom
Mercer
POJ
Jenik
Bahl
Maccelli
Cappo
Lots more more depth that would start knocking on the door soon. Maybe one of these guys turns into a superstar, maybe one of them helps another player really shine. Maybe one of them would have been used as trade bait to move up in a draft and grab someone like Zegras. All I know if I sure feel a lot better with all of those additional assets and younger roster players than Kessel, Hammer, and 5 months of Hall.
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