2020 Tank Thread: Get Punched in the Solar Plexus for Alexis

[GetFocht]

I also think Canucks are going to trade their 2020 1st rounder as a piece for a top 4 defenceman.

Pretty sure the goal is now to make the playoffs next season.

 

[Star Ocean]

Yaroslav Askarov, the 6 foot 3 inch, 16 year old goalie for team Russia at the u18 looks spectacular!

If he keeps it up then he's definitely going in the top 5.

You dont take goalies with a top5 pick.

Raymond looks insane.

 

[y2kcanucks]

You dont take goalies with a top5 pick.

Raymond looks insane.

Carey Price? Marc-Andre Fleury?

I agree it's extremely rare, but it has happened.

 

[Star Ocean]

Carey Price? Marc-Andre Fleury?

I agree it's extremely rare, but it has happened.

Yes but now a days you can find a goalie in later rounds that turns out just as good. Theyre too unpredictable to use on a top5 pick.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Yes but now a days you can find a goalie in later rounds that turns out just as good. Theyre too unpredictable to use on a top5 pick.

I agree. I think too many teams have been burned by goalies taken in the first round that busted that you likely won't see something like this again. But I wouldn't be completely closed minded to it. If there is a goalie who looks like a generational talent in net, I would absolutely take that risk.

 

[THE Green Man]

Carey Price? Marc-Andre Fleury?

I agree it's extremely rare, but it has happened.

Lets not forget the GOAT Rick Dipietro

 

[Bonham]

I also think Canucks are going to trade their 2020 1st rounder as a piece for a top 4 defenceman.

Pretty sure the goal is now to make the playoffs next season.

That would be idiotic but I could also see that happening. Getting the vibe that patience is wearing thin and they would like to fast-track their efforts.

There is still so much dead weight on the roster. We should really be cleaning house and focusing on next years draft to really solidify the future of this team. The draft sounds incredible at the top-end -- to not have our first round pick would be a travesty.

 

[y2kcanucks]

That would be idiotic but I could also see that happening. Getting the vibe that patience is wearing thin and they would like to fast-track their efforts.

There is still so much dead weight on the roster. We should really be cleaning house and focusing on next years draft to really solidify the future of this team. The draft sounds incredible at the top-end -- to not have our first round pick would be a travesty.

Absolutely agreed. Trading away our 1st round pick would be Ottawa-level stupid.

The goal this offseason should be cleaning up the mess Benning has created. Unfortunately, Benning is still GM so that's not going to happen. But in a perfect world where he's fired because Gillis is brought in, this should be the plan:

1) Find a way to dump Eriksson, Sutter, Beagle, Spooner, and Schaller. Even Pearson if you can, but I can live with him as a placeholder. This clears out over $18M of cap space.

2) Weaponize cap space. Botchford identified Calgary as an opportunity. I don't know if I would take on that Neal contract given how long it lasts, though Dillon Dube and a 1 to take it on is tempting. I would look closer at Toronto and taking on that Marleau contract. Perhaps Marleau and Kadri for a 7th round pick. That's $10M in cap space that Toronto clears so they can re-sign Marner, and possibly re-sign Gardiner.

The offense would look something like this:

Marleau-Pettersson-Boeser
Baertschi-Horvat-Leivo
Pearson-Kadri-Virtanen
Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwen
Gaunce

Not the greatest lineup, and some injury concerns, and the left side is particularly weak, but you see clearly where the placeholders are and where the core is. Marleau, Baertschi, Leivo, Pearson are clear placeholders. Roussel on the 4th line provides solid depth if he comes back healthy, though his contract is still bad.

Kadri gives us a solid offensive 3C on a good contract. This way we don't have to throw Gaudette to the wolves in regular 3C duty just yet, though if he's ready we can certainly shift Gaudette or Kadri to the wing. Gaudette can get some time developing on the 4th line and moving up when needed.

Use Marleau on the top line because he's still a good skater, and if you can get some solid offense out of him maybe you can turn him into a draft pick at the deadline.

 

[Cancuks]

Sign Ferland, Myers, draft Broberg, trade the 2020 1st for Olli Matta.
Sit back on the beach for the rest of the summer, shades on and in a neon speedo and sip a pina colada, Jim Benning, cause your re-tooling is finally done and the playoffs are finally coming.

 

[Canucks LB]

Sign Ferland, Myers, draft Broberg, trade the 2020 1st for Olli Matta.
Sit back on the beach for the rest of the summer, shades on and in a neon speedo and sip a pina colada, Jim Benning, cause your re-tooling is finally done and the playoffs are finally coming.

Uhhh

 

[y2kcanucks]

Sign Ferland, Myers, draft Broberg, trade the 2020 1st for Olli Matta.
Sit back on the beach for the rest of the summer, shades on and in a neon speedo and sip a pina colada, Jim Benning, cause your re-tooling is finally done and the playoffs are finally coming.

Uhh...all of those would be incredibly stupid moves to make.

 

[Cancuks]

Absolutely agreed. Trading away our 1st round pick would be Ottawa-level stupid.

The goal this offseason should be cleaning up the mess Benning has created. Unfortunately, Benning is still GM so that's not going to happen. But in a perfect world where he's fired because Gillis is brought in, this should be the plan:

1) Find a way to dump Eriksson, Sutter, Beagle, Spooner, and Schaller. Even Pearson if you can, but I can live with him as a placeholder. This clears out over $18M of cap space.

2) Weaponize cap space. Botchford identified Calgary as an opportunity. I don't know if I would take on that Neal contract given how long it lasts, though Dillon Dube and a 1 to take it on is tempting. I would look closer at Toronto and taking on that Marleau contract. Perhaps Marleau and Kadri for a 7th round pick. That's $10M in cap space that Toronto clears so they can re-sign Marner, and possibly re-sign Gardiner.

The offense would look something like this:

Marleau-Pettersson-Boeser
Baertschi-Horvat-Leivo
Pearson-Kadri-Virtanen
Roussel-Gaudette-MacEwen
Gaunce

Not the greatest lineup, and some injury concerns, and the left side is particularly weak, but you see clearly where the placeholders are and where the core is. Marleau, Baertschi, Leivo, Pearson are clear placeholders. Roussel on the 4th line provides solid depth if he comes back healthy, though his contract is still bad.

Kadri gives us a solid offensive 3C on a good contract. This way we don't have to throw Gaudette to the wolves in regular 3C duty just yet, though if he's ready we can certainly shift Gaudette or Kadri to the wing. Gaudette can get some time developing on the 4th line and moving up when needed.

Use Marleau on the top line because he's still a good skater, and if you can get some solid offense out of him maybe you can turn him into a draft pick at the deadline.

Marleau isn't going to waive his NMC to come to this clusterf***. Zaitsev+ Kapanen/Johnsson for a 7th would make more sense.

 

[GetFocht]

I'm thinking more like PK Subban. Trade for Subban and sign a top 6 goal scoring winger via UFA, that should provide a decent enough push to make the playoffs while our young core continues to develop over the years.

The Canucks theoretically should be improving year after year now with the current young core, I don't see them getting worse so hopes of a top 3 pick is now becoming a distant memory.

 

[THE Green Man]

I'm thinking more like PK Subban. Trade for Subban and sign a top 6 goal scoring winger via UFA, that should provide a decent enough push to make the playoffs while our young core continues to develop over the years.

The Canucks theoretically should be improving year after year now with the current young core, I don't see them getting worse so hopes of a top 3 pick is now becoming a distant memory.

We don't have the proper assets to part with to get a guy like Subban. Would rather just wait a year for any of these RHD UFA's: Pieterangelo, Schultz, Barrie, Spurgeon, Vatanen, Hamonic, Braun. Hell even LHD: Josi, Krug, Brodie, Muzzin, Scandella, Gustaffson

While I do see Benning making a trade or way overpaying in free agency for a guy in the attempt to save his job, I would much rather wait a year and hope one or two of these guys are available to sign. This would also mean we go into the next season with relatively the same d-core again which would probably mean JB gets fired for missing playoffs 5 years straight so I am somewhat biased here on this.

 

[GetFocht]

Quinn Hughes is part of revitalizing the top 4 defence, the issue has always been is that Canucks were stuck with defenceman in the top 4 that don't have an ounce of offensive skill, especially on the RH side, and aren't strong in transitioning the play. It also only takes two key defenceman to transform your entire D corps. Hughes is one piece, we need a second piece while Edler (30-40 points) and Tanev (Defensive specialist) can round out the top 4 as they both are top 4 defenceman in the league.

Edler-Subban
Hughes-Tanev
Hutton-Stecher

That's a completely revitalized defence core that can do some damage on the score sheet and help our forwards transition.

 

[THE Green Man]

Quinn Hughes is part of revitalizing the top 4 defence, the issue has always been is that Canucks were stuck with defenceman in the top 4 that don't have an ounce of offensive skill, especially on the RH side, and aren't strong in transitioning the play. It also only takes two key defenceman to transform your entire D corps. Hughes is one piece, we need a second piece while Edler (30-40 points) and Tanev (Defensive specialist) can round out the top 4 as they both are top 4 defenceman in the league.

Edler-Subban
Hughes-Tanev
Hutton-Stecher

That's a completely revitalized defence core that can do some damage on the score sheet and help our forwards transition.

No one is disputing that. The problem is the cost to acquire a guy like Subban. We don't have a surplus of options at any position at the moment, and I for one am not comfortable giving up a 1st round pick this year or next year for him- especially with Jim still being at the controls to make a different dumb move up front instead. It's not like Nashville is just going to give him away for nothing.

 

[Bonham]

Quinn Hughes is part of revitalizing the top 4 defence, the issue has always been is that Canucks were stuck with defenceman in the top 4 that don't have an ounce of offensive skill, especially on the RH side, and aren't strong in transitioning the play. It also only takes two key defenceman to transform your entire D corps. Hughes is one piece, we need a second piece while Edler (30-40 points) and Tanev (Defensive specialist) can round out the top 4 as they both are top 4 defenceman in the league.

Edler-Subban
Hughes-Tanev
Hutton-Stecher

That's a completely revitalized defence core that can do some damage on the score sheet and help our forwards transition.

Hughes is a good start but the Canuck's still have a ways to go. I am not convinced that he is going to have an immediate impact like some people are. The season is a grind, much more so than college hockey, and he is always going to be one of the smallest players in the league. A few games at the end of the year is not enough to prove that he can provide consistency through an entire season. Realistically it probably takes at least a couple seasons to hit his stride.

What assets are we willing to trade for Subban? Surely it will take more than their first round pick which a team like the Canuck's should be in no position to trade. What other futures will have to be included to make a trade like this happen? This team is just not in a position to make this kind of move.

Edler had a solid season in a contract year. He has an injury history and has not played a full season since 2011/2012. He will be 33 years old this season and the mileage continues to mount. How is he going to perform on his retirement deal?

Tanev is never in the lineup and when he was this season, he did not perform up to his usual standards. He has literally never played a full season in the NHL and will be turning 30 this coming season. Canuck's should have capitalized on this player two seasons ago when he still had value and the team was sitting in the bottom of the league. No reason to hang on to every one of our veteran assets until they are worthless.

Hutton and Stecher would be a solid bottom pairing in theory, though there are issues when they have to start playing up the lineup night after night as shown this season. Stecher is definitely the closest thing the Canuck's have to a developed, home-grown top 4 defenseman.

There is nothing on the farm to write home about on the backend so it is going to take some time before we see any real push from any other younger players. The back end is the most obvious and glaring short-coming when it comes to this team. Sacrificing picks and prospects to bring in a player like Subban is only going to prolong this half-ass rebuild/retool process that Benning has formulated.

I guess I just don't see it with the group you listed.

 

[GetFocht]

Hughes is a good start but the Canuck's still have a ways to go. I am not convinced that he is going to have an immediate impact like some people are. The season is a grind, much more so than college hockey, and he is always going to be one of the smallest players in the league. A few games at the end of the year is not enough to prove that he can provide consistency through an entire season. Realistically it probably takes at least a couple seasons to hit his stride.

What assets are we willing to trade for Subban? Surely it will take more than their first round pick which a team like the Canuck's should be in no position to trade. What other futures will have to be included to make a trade like this happen? This team is just not in a position to make this kind of move.

Edler had a solid season in a contract year. He has an injury history and has not played a full season since 2011/2012. He will be 33 years old this season and the mileage continues to mount. How is he going to perform on his retirement deal?

Tanev is never in the lineup and when he was this season, he did not perform up to his usual standards. He has literally never played a full season in the NHL and will be turning 30 this coming season. Canuck's should have capitalized on this player two seasons ago when he still had value and the team was sitting in the bottom of the league. No reason to hang on to every one of our veteran assets until they are worthless.

Hutton and Stecher would be a solid bottom pairing in theory, though there are issues when they have to start playing up the lineup night after night as shown this season. Stecher is definitely the closest thing the Canuck's have to a developed, home-grown top 4 defenseman.

There is nothing on the farm to write home about on the backend so it is going to take some time before we see any real push from any other younger players. The back end is the most obvious and glaring short-coming when it comes to this team. Sacrificing picks and prospects to bring in a player like Subban is only going to prolong this half-ass rebuild/retool process that Benning has formulated.

I guess I just don't see it with the group you listed.

You seem to have an overly pessimistic view but that's your prerogative, you can essentially say the same thing about any other defence corps in the league. You cannot build a perfect team in the NHL with 32 teams and a salary cap, which is why 4-5 key pieces make up your core and carry your team while you insulate rest of the line-up with depth. This dream of having to rebuild by tanking every year is just that, it's a dream, we are fortunate to at least get some very good pieces to set us up for the future while teams that are contending for the cup now will eventually have their window closed right when Vancouver's window opens. Lastly, almost every team in the league will wish they had better pieces and the team that seemed to have it all was swept in the first round of the playoffs.

 

[y2kcanucks]

You seem to have an overly pessimistic view but that's your prerogative, you can essentially say the same thing about any other defence corps in the league. You cannot build a perfect team in the NHL with 32 teams and a salary cap, which is why 4-5 key pieces make up your core and carry your team while you insulate rest of the line-up with depth. This dream of having to rebuild by tanking every year is just that, it's a dream, we are fortunate to at least get some very good pieces to set us up for the future while teams that are contending for the cup now will eventually have their window closed right when Vancouver's window opens. Lastly, almost every team in the league will wish they had better pieces and the team that seemed to have it all was swept in the first round of the playoffs.

The Oilers had a great "core 4" and look how that turned out.

 

[pgj98m3]

Sign Ferland, Myers, draft Broberg, trade the 2020 1st for Olli Matta.
Sit back on the beach for the rest of the summer, shades on and in a neon speedo and sip a pina colada, Jim Benning, cause your re-tooling is finally done and the playoffs are finally coming.

Surely this is just a lame attempt at humour.

 

[Bubbles]

Surely this is just a lame attempt at humour.

It might be a joke, but there's a very real chance that Ferland and Myers will be signed.

 

[JLT]

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