2020 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread II

[Diablo2020]

Loui Eriksson, Nikita Tryamkin, Vasili Podkolzin
for
Miles Wood, #10

The flipside of that for New Jersey..

NJ forward

- Devils take Russian forward Rodion Amirov #17 (canucks pick)
- They take another year rebuilding as Hischier, Hughes, Zacha and Mcleod mature waiting for the wingers
- Bratt, Boqvist, Foote, Kuokkanen, Anderson, Merkley, Zetterlund, Podkolzin, Amirov is a great supporting cast on the way
- Palmieri, Eriksson, Zajac, Gusev hold the fort in the meantime, maybe add a couple depth forwards through FA

Gusev - Hischier - Palmieri
Bratt - Hughes - Anderson
Eriksson - Zajac - Merkley
Boqvist - Zacha - Mcleod

NJ defense

- Tryamkin adds much needed size to a small defense
- With a weak supporting cast Tryamkin comes over and assuredly gets top 4 time
- Adding Bahl and Tryamkin would make a formidable duo for the future
- Definetly room to add a couple depth defensemen through FA

Butcher - Severson
Tryamkin - Subban
Smith - Carrick

NJ goal

- Devils take Russian goalie Yaroslav Askarov at #6
- Blackwood gets resigned and gets the reigns
- Schneider gets the backup role as they just need to burn his and Subbans contracts off

Blackwoood
Schneider

 

[Diablo2020]

Brock Boeser, Troy Stecher, Jordie Benn
for
Jonas Brodin, #11

The flipside of that for Minnesota..

MIN forward

- New GM Bill Guerin adds a homestar star but needs a center to transition away from the Koivu/Parise led fowards
- At #24 they take the best center available

Because they now have Dumba, Spurgeon, Stecher, Pateryn all on the rightside and because of the Parise deal that was close..

Matt Dumba
for
Nick Schmaltz, Marian Hossa, 2021 2nd

Zach Parise, Devyn Dubnyk
for
Andrew Ladd, Cal Clutterbuck, Thomas Hickey, Bode Wilde, Simon Holmstrom (Isles eat 1.65 of Ladd)

Ryan Donato
for
Jake Allen, 2021 3rd

- They reunite Schmaltz and Boeser. A top line of Fiala - Schmaltz - Boeser breathes new life into Minnesota
- They have the caproom to eat Ladd and Hossa's deals by not retaining on Parise
- Holmstrom is a nice prospect to add but will take some time in the AHL

Fiala - Schmaltz - Boeser
Greenway - Staal - Zuccarello
Foligno - Eriksson Ek - Kunin
Hartman - Rask - Clutterbuck

MIN defense

- Still led by Suter and a longterm Spurgeon, the focus now needs to turn to the defense
- Benn, Hickey, Pateryn, Hunt are all short term stopgaps but can all eat minutes
- Stecher gets a top 4 chance he never seems to get consistently in Vancouver
- Mennell, Wilde, Addison, Johansson help the future but need more top end talent in the pipeline

Suter - Spurgeon
Hickey - Stecher
Benn - Pateryn
Hunt

MIN goal

- Stalock gets the reigns but Allen helps push him hoping to rebound himself

Stalock
Allen

 

[Diablo2020]

Michael Ferland, Brogan Rafferty, Olli Juolevi, #10, #11
for
Rickard Rakell, Josh Manson

The flipside of that for Anaheim..

- An absolute embarrassment of riches coming basically
- No need to worry about resigning Rakell or Manson in a year
- Lots of time to let the Kesler, Backes, Ferland contracts expire before theyre good again


Maxime Comtois
Max Jones
Sam Steel
Troy Terry
Isac Lundestrom
Beniot Groulx
Trevor Zegras
Brayden Tracey

Axel Andersson
Brendan Guhle
Josh Mahura
Brogan Rafferty
Olli Juolevi
Jacob Larsson

2020 #5 Overall - RD - Jamie Drysdale?
2020 #10 Overall - LD - Jake Sanderson?
2020 #11 Overall - C/LW - Dylan Holloway?
2020 #31 Overall - RW - Seth Jarvis?
2020 #36 Overall - RD - Helge Grans?


Somewhere in there is a solid team in 3 years when they all start coming together and the Getzlaf, Kesler, Perry, Ferland, Backes money is all gone

In meantime Henrique, Silvferberg, Heinen, Fowler, Lindholm, Gibson should be able to usher in that next group of high end talent

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

...are you having a discussion with yourself, @Diablo2020 ?

The Minnesota package might make sense for Brodin or the draft pick alone, but not both.

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

The flipside of that for Minnesota..

MIN forward

- New GM Bill Guerin adds a homestar star but needs a center to transition away from the Koivu/Parise led fowards
- At #24 they take the best center available

Because they now have Dumba, Spurgeon, Stecher, Pateryn all on the rightside and because of the Parise deal that was close..

Matt Dumba
for
Nick Schmaltz, Marian Hossa, 2021 2nd

Zach Parise, Devyn Dubnyk
for
Andrew Ladd, Cal Clutterbuck, Thomas Hickey, Bode Wilde, Simon Holmstrom (Isles eat 1.65 of Ladd)

Ryan Donato
for
Jake Allen, 2021 3rd

- They reunite Schmaltz and Boeser. A top line of Fiala - Schmaltz - Boeser breathes new life into Minnesota
- They have the caproom to eat Ladd and Hossa's deals by not retaining on Parise
- Holmstrom is a nice prospect to add but will take some time in the AHL

Fiala - Schmaltz - Boeser
Greenway - Staal - Zuccarello
Foligno - Eriksson Ek - Kunin
Hartman - Rask - Clutterbuck

MIN defense

- Still led by Suter and a longterm Spurgeon, the focus now needs to turn to the defense
- Benn, Hickey, Pateryn, Hunt are all short term stopgaps but can all eat minutes
- Stecher gets a top 4 chance he never seems to get consistently in Vancouver
- Mennell, Wilde, Addison, Johansson help the future but need more top end talent in the pipeline

Suter - Spurgeon
Hickey - Stecher
Benn - Pateryn
Hunt

MIN goal

- Stalock gets the reigns but Allen helps push him hoping to rebound himself

Stalock
Allen

As for brodin & #11. Wild don't need Jordie Benn or Troy Stretcher. Wht the heck would wild trade brodin & Dumba, my gosh. Wild don't need anymore wingers let alone 2 with Kaprizov coming. No disrespect to Boeser, but guerin isn't trading for anymore wingers let alone thinking Guerin would trade brodin & #11 for Boeser if you take away troy stretcher and jordie benn who aren't a need by wild . Wild can also get a top c with pick #11 or move up. So yeah, Minnesota wouldn't do this deal let all this fabricfabri you made up

If one of Dumba or Brodin traded, it will be for a top c, not a winger in Boeser. Wild aren't / weren't willing to trade parise without a 1st & either way wild aren't taking on a bunch of cap.

This is legit joke for wild. Wild aren't taking on marion hossa, andrew ladd, & cal clutterberg.

Stalock isn't wild #1 goalie. Wild aren't trading Ryan donato for jake Allen. Like I don't know why you think wild are dumb or stupid to do any of this especially when they need cap room to resign Many young players.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Sportsnet has a list up of every teams best non first round pick in the cap era. Canucks finish one spot below worst (which went to Vegas, so basically Vancouver was the worst), with Mason f***ing Raymond.

Speaks to the complete ineptitude of this team draft wise across several management groups.

Good thing Jim is running Brackett out of town!

It really is remarkable just how bad our drafting history has been outside the home run picks.

 

[LuckyBoeser]

A nice analysis of a few Canucks players and the 2012 team using data visualization!

 

[dbaz]

A nice analysis of a few Canucks players and the 2012 team using data visualization!

horrible takes

 

[tradervik]

horrible takes

I think he's bang on with Pettersson (elite player) and Edler (sagging to the third pair). I agree the Markstrom and Horvat takes are poor.

 

[dbaz]

Edler while not a first pairing player is not a 5 or 6. He's a 3/4 now being asked to play top pair minutes
also these market valuations are just crazy.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Those market values are comical given how much player salary has increased. There is not a single defenseman with Edler's skill level or history that would accept 3.5M.

 

[tradervik]

Those market values are comical given how much player salary has increased. There is not a single defenseman with Edler's skill level or history that would accept 3.5M.

In 2018, 35 year old Dan Hamhuis signed a two year deal with an AAV of $1.5 million. Edler will be 35 next April.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

In 2018, 35 year old Dan Hamhuis signed a two year deal with an AAV of $1.5 million. Edler will be 35 next April.

Hamhuis was a shell of himself in Dallas, and basically a 7th defenseman in Nashville. There was a time you could argue he and Edler were close. That hasn't been the case in years now. Regardless, the evaluation given in that article was for Edler's body of work throughout his current contract not what his future value will be. Putting Edler at 3.5M currently is laughable.

 

[tradervik]

Hamhuis was a shell of himself in Dallas, and basically a 7th defenseman in Nashville. There was a time you could argue he and Edler were close. That hasn't been the case in years now. Regardless, the evaluation given in that article was for Edler's body of work throughout his current contract not what his future value will be. Putting Edler at 3.5M currently is laughable.

If you accept that Edler is no longer a top pairing defenseman, then $3.5 million is not laughable at all. Go to CapFriendly and rank all the d-men by cap hit. $3.5 million would tie Edler for 97th highest. That is solidly in the middle of the 2nd pairing cohort (just going by cap hit). Sure that's a bit simplistic, but it's not outrageously so. I value Edler higher than that so I'd put him at $4.5 million. If you think Edler is still a 1st pairing d-man, we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Peen]

Loui Eriksson, Nikita Tryamkin, Vasili Podkolzin
for
Miles Wood, #10

Brock Boeser, Troy Stecher, Jordie Benn
for
Jonas Brodin, #11

Michael Ferland, Brogan Rafferty, Olli Juolevi, #10, #11
for
Rickard Rakell, Josh Manson

#10 and Pod are essentially a wash.

If you think the cost to "dump" Eriksson is only to add Tryamkin while getting wood... that's nuts.

Second one is in our favor as well.

Third one seems like an overpayment.

 

[bandwagonesque]

If you accept that Edler is no longer a top pairing defenseman, then $3.5 million is not laughable at all. Go to CapFriendly and rank all the d-men by cap hit. $3.5 million would tie Edler for 97th highest. That is solidly in the middle of the 2nd pairing cohort (just going by cap hit). Sure that's a bit simplistic, but it's not outrageously so. I value Edler higher than that so I'd put him at $4.5 million. If you think Edler is still a 1st pairing d-man, we'll agree to disagree.

The list includes players on ELCs and long-term RFA contracts where they likely sacrificed AAV. If Edler scores 30-40 point next season with solid play in his own zone, there's no way he'd get as little as $3.5MM on a short-term deal. $4.5MM seems somewhat realistic since he clearly wants to remain in Vancouver.

 

[deckercky]

Edler would be eligible for bonus structures on his next contract, as long as he only signs one year deals, right?

 

[rypper]

Edler would be eligible for bonus structures on his next contract, as long as he only signs one year deals, right?

Yup.

 

[Skirbs1011]

Kind of curious, has there been any talk of the leauge possibly giving teams 1 compliance buyout this off season?

Once hockey was put on hold I really havent read any articles or played much attention to any news.

 

[tradervik]

Dayal has an article up on the Athletic (paywall) listing some dmen he thinks the Canucks should look into acquiring:

MacKenzie Weegar (Panthers, 26, rh)
Caleb Jones (Oiers, 22, lh)
Erik Cernak (Tampa, 22, rh)
Nick Jensen (Capitals, 29, rh)
Vince Dunn (Blues, 23, lh)
Henri Jokiharju (Sabres, 20, rh)
Nils Lundkvist (Rangers prospect, 19, rh)
Jake Bean (Carolina prospect, 21, lh)

A few of these have been mentioned here. I'd like to see the Canucks get Erik Cernak but that seems improbable.

Maybe Nick Jensen is the most viable option (i.e. the cheapest to acquire). He's only 9 months younger than Tanev but he was pretty good in Detroit and is signed for 3 more years (if the current season ever ends) at a cap hit of $2.5 million. Beggars can't be choosers.

 

[Hansen]

Borgstrom could be a good depth pick up at C, our C depth is lacking a lot now in the younger players with Madden gone

 

[HockeyWooot]

Edler while not a first pairing player is not a 5 or 6. He's a 3/4 now being asked to play top pair minutes
also these market valuations are just crazy.

I agree. While he’s passed his peak, still performing at a relatively high level.

Considering he has never been an elite offensive dman (ie consistently in the 50+ pt range) this year and last he’s putting up good numbers (PPG not far off career high).

For comparison that’s at a higher rate than some of his countrymen considered to be stud Dmen (eg OEL, Klingberg, Ekholm). While obviously PPG and TOI are an incomplete measure, it does seem Edler is still a quite capable player particular at 34 years of age.

 

[HockeyWooot]

With the Panthers organization speculated to be in relative disarray, should they go full fire sale I’m wondering if there are any players worth snagging?

Haula or Wallmark to upgrade over Beagle, Sutter

Matheson or Weegar on D?

Huberdeau or Hoffman we presumably cant afford.

 

[timw33]

With the Panthers organization speculated to be in relative disarray, should they go full fire sale I’m wondering if there are any players worth snagging?

Haula or Wallmark to upgrade over Beagle, Sutter

Matheson or Weegar on D?

Huberdeau or Hoffman we presumably cant afford.

Haula is a UFA this summer, and someone I wouldn't mind looking into if we didn't have massive cap issues.

 

[vanuck]

With the Panthers organization speculated to be in relative disarray, should they go full fire sale I’m wondering if there are any players worth snagging?

Haula or Wallmark to upgrade over Beagle, Sutter

Matheson or Weegar on D?

Huberdeau or Hoffman we presumably cant afford.

Where are you heading this on the Panthers? Interesting.