Prospect Info: 2020 NJ Devils Draft Recap

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i also clap my hands for @StevenToddIves effort. loved the input i gained.

i wonder, if you could get us your view of the devils talent pipeline. i wonder, how you rank them and why. a guy like pytlik might be lower in a pure talent ranking and still close to the nhl as he fits for a specific bottom 6 role, where the team has a need. boqvist might has the talent for a top6 role, but won't ever make it to the nhl full time. i would like to see how you balance potential impact and the likely hood a player makes the team.

Well, that's my problem with prospect rankings. Does Boqvist have more upside than Joey Anderson? Certainly. But I also think that Anderson has a 100% chance of making it as a very good NHLer and we cannot yet make that claim about Boqvist. Talvite is another guy I've been higher on than most -- to me, there's no way a kid with his incredible combo of heart, brains and hustle won't make the NHL, especially considering he also features a terrific shot.

I have to hustle off behind a bar soon, but I'll see if I can find some time to put something together this week. I'm not going to be on these threads as much for awhile because the draft is over and I want to catch up on some writing and editing my own stuff, but you can always email me with questions at [email protected]
 

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I think there’s an obvious emphasis on pro readiness this year, at least at the top of the draft, and the Baumgartner pick.

Outside of Shak who’s under contract for a couple more years, I think you may see four guys or five players we drafted on the NHL or AHL roster starting next year. Holtz the obvious one to be in NJ. Mercer and Pytlik are early birthdays who could play AHL as early as next year. Daws and Baumgartner being overagers should also play soon.

There’s been a developmental philosophy shift within the organization these past few years. I think the brass wants to get their hands on these kids early, and groom them how they want in the AHL. The last couple years has to be the youngest I ever remember our AHL affiliate being.

They want to put the rebuild in overdrive.
If you are right, then coaching and development, teaching in Binghamton is going to be super important. Getting everyone on the same page as to technique, system, and such. In Ruff we have a good fundamental coach with long experience of the league and how the game has evolved. I hope he and Fitz build a deep staff down through the farm level and get a good fundamental system in place.

Also did I read that the top pick is obligated to the Swedish league this season and the earliest he can join us is 21 - 22? Or is he eligible for this coming campaign, whenever they decide to start it?
 
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Corey Pronman:
2020 Draft Grade: A–

In Alexander Holtz and Dawson Mercer, the Devils got two very good forward prospects who project to become important parts of their team. I like their other first-round pick, Shakir Mukhamdullin. I think he’s an NHL player. I’m not sold he’s a top-four defenseman but I see the argument. Both goalie Nico Daws and forward Jaromir Pytlik have decent chances to play games too.

@Devils731 already mentioned that second one.


Wow -- I thought for a second those were the letter grades and not the positions. I was like, "he hated Daws so much he gave him a G? I thought F was the lowest?"
 

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Again, thanks to all of you guys for your knowledge and enthusiasm during the months leading up to the draft. I appreciate all of you -- I consider you my pals even though I've never met any of you except @OmNomNom and this has been really fun for me. I can say this group saved my sanity after being out of work during the pandemic. So again, thanks a ton!
 

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Again, thanks to all of you guys for your knowledge and enthusiasm during the months leading up to the draft. I appreciate all of you -- I consider you my pals even though I've never met any of you except @OmNomNom and this has been really fun for me. I can say this group saved my sanity after being out of work during the pandemic. So again, thanks a ton!

Why does that sound like a farewell message indicating you're going back into hibernation until next draft?
 

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If you are right, then coaching and development, teaching in Binghamton is going to be super important. Getting everyone on the same page as to technique, system, and such. In Ruff we have a good fundamental coach with long experience of the league and how the game has evolved. I hope he and Fitz build a deep staff down through the farm level and get a good fundamental system in place.

Also did I read that the top pick is obligated to the Swedish league this season and the earliest he can join us is 21 - 22? Or is he eligible for this coming campaign, whenever they decide to start it?

I think your first point is vastly underrated. If NJ is going to get back on track with developing prospects, that has to start at Binghamton. The good news is that once Hynes was let go, Binghamton turned its season around and guys really picked up their play. Sharangovich seems to have finished strong and apparently has started strong in the KHL. NJ may have something yet in him. Bastian played well as did Senn according to the all about the jersey blog reporters on Binghamton. Hopefully they pick up where they left off when the AHL starts again. With defense reinforcements on the way in the next year or two that is doubly important.
 
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One thing to note is the size of the guys we drafted:

Holtz 6' 183 lbs
Mercer 6' 179 lbs
Shak 6'4" 174 lbs
Daws 6'4" 203 lbs
Pytlik 6'3" 201 lbs
Edwards 5'10 165 lbs
Shlaine 6'1" 174 lbs
Baumgartner 5'9" 165 lbs

Only two players under 6'. And they're not hulking dinosaurs, all of them have offensive upside.

And then looking at last year:

Hughes 5'10" 170 lbs
Okhotyuk 6'1" 174 lbs
Misyul 6'2" 176 lbs
Vukojevich 6'3" 212 lbs
Thompson 6'1" 172 lbs
McCarthy 6'1" 198 lbs
Brady 6'5" 181 lbs
Moynihan 5'11" 185 lbs
Pasic 5'10" 187 lbs

Hughes obviously the vanilla midget, but outside of the short but stocky Moynihan and Pasic, that's a lot of size.

And who could possibly forget:

Foote 6'4" 201 lbs
Bahl 6'7" 240 lbs
Kuokkanen 6'1" 194 lbs

Lots of #bigboys in the organization now
 
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One thing to note is the size of the guys we drafted:

Holtz 6' 183 lbs
Mercer 6' 179 lbs
Shak 6'4" 174 lbs
Daws 6'4" 203 lbs
Pytlik 6'3" 201 lbs
Edwards 5'10 165 lbs
Shlaine 6'1" 174 lbs
Baumgartner 5'9" 165 lbs

Only two players under 6'. And they're not hulking dinosaurs, all of them have offensive upside.

And then looking at last year:

Hughes 5'10" 170 lbs
Okhotyuk 6'1" 174 lbs
Misyul 6'2" 176 lbs
Vukojevich 6'3" 212 lbs
Thompson 6'1" 172 lbs
McCarthy 6'1" 198 lbs
Brady 6'5" 181 lbs
Moynihan 5'11" 185 lbs
Pasic 5'10" 187 lbs

Hughes obviously the vanilla midget, but outside of the short but stocky Moynihan and Pasic, that's a lot of size.

And who could possibly forget:

Foote 6'4" 201 lbs
Bahl 6'7" 240 lbs
Kuokkanen 6'1" 194 lbs

Lots of #bigboys in the organization now

And at least in theory they were drafted/acquired because they could actually play and weren't just big bodies. Sometimes that can get lost in the shuffle.
 

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Thanks to @StevenToddIves and everyone else who shared their prospects knowledge. It's always one of the things I look forward to is learning about a handful of prospects and then getting my hopes dashed. On a more serious note it's really interesting to learn about what each player has going for them to help me get invested in their development and who might actually make it to the show in the next few years.

I'm actually impressed with the Daws pick, I think I really like at least the first four picks we had this draft and Pytlik also sounds like someone to keep your eye on. I feel that the Mookster could turn out to be a steal if he booms.
 

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One thing to note is the size of the guys we drafted:

Holtz 6' 183 lbs
Mercer 6' 179 lbs
Shak 6'4" 174 lbs
Daws 6'4" 203 lbs
Pytlik 6'3" 201 lbs
Edwards 5'10 165 lbs
Shlaine 6'1" 174 lbs
Baumgartner 5'9" 165 lbs

Only two players under 6'. And they're not hulking dinosaurs, all of them have offensive upside.

And then looking at last year:

Hughes 5'10" 170 lbs
Okhotyuk 6'1" 174 lbs
Misyul 6'2" 176 lbs
Vukojevich 6'3" 212 lbs
Thompson 6'1" 172 lbs
McCarthy 6'1" 198 lbs
Brady 6'5" 181 lbs
Moynihan 5'11" 185 lbs
Pasic 5'10" 187 lbs

Hughes obviously the vanilla midget, but outside of the short but stocky Moynihan and Pasic, that's a lot of size.

And who could possibly forget:

Foote 6'4" 201 lbs
Bahl 6'7" 240 lbs
Kuokkanen 6'1" 194 lbs

Lots of #bigboys in the organization now

this is a very well-balanced team. it’s almost like there was a plan or something
 

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Well, that's my problem with prospect rankings. Does Boqvist have more upside than Joey Anderson? Certainly. But I also think that Anderson has a 100% chance of making it as a very good NHLer and we cannot yet make that claim about Boqvist. Talvite is another guy I've been higher on than most -- to me, there's no way a kid with his incredible combo of heart, brains and hustle won't make the NHL, especially considering he also features a terrific shot.

I have to hustle off behind a bar soon, but I'll see if I can find some time to put something together this week. I'm not going to be on these threads as much for awhile because the draft is over and I want to catch up on some writing and editing my own stuff, but you can always email me with questions at [email protected]
i tried to come up with something of my own:
lhd should hopefully be a future strength. there are enough pieces to work with and if they don't butcher the development of all of them. this group should offer a few good options.
edit: murray for 30-50 games will help :thumbu:
rhd is a disaster to happen. if you project two years down the road and remove subban, carrick and mermis, you basically look at severson, smith, walsh and mccarthy.
there are a lot of bodies upfront and you can obviously move them around between the positions. zacha and boqvsit can both play lw. but bratt aside there is no young lw, who screams future top 6 forward. we can hope foote gets there, as a complimentary piece, but the last few drafts were heavily invested in rw, which looks like the much deeper group.
Edit II: Not a huge fan of the Johnsson trade. Bratt or Gusev most likely playing RW.

CLWRWLDRDG
IHischierBrattPalmieriMurraySubbanBlackwood
IIHughesGusevButcherSeversonCrawford
IIIZachaJohnssonCarrick
IVZajacWoodMermis
1BoqvistFooteHoltzBahlSmithSenn
2McleodKuokkanenMercerMukhamadullinWalshDaws
3TalviteSeneyBastianMisyulMcCarthySchmid
4PytlikMaltsevMerkleyOkhotyukJacobsCormier
5SchnarrGignacClarkeVukojevicQuennevilleBrady
6BaumgartnerPakkilaThompsonHellicksonTennyson McIntyre
7SharangovichBaddockGritsyukEdwards
8ShlaineMoynihanBernard
9ZetterlundWhite
10StudenicSissons
11PasicGroleau
12Zaitsev
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 
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thank you! great read, as always. positionally, this draft was a home run. RW was one of our biggest weaknesses, and now it’s looking like one of our biggest strengths. i would’ve loved to bolster our blue line a bit more, but there wasn’t a ton of high-end defensemen to choose from.

our next step should be signing (doubtful) or trading for a top 4 defenseman. or, acquiring as many 2021 first round picks as possible.
I'll go for option two keep rebuilding through draft pile up assets......get a number 4 that way or when we're closer to really competing for a cup trade or sign a free agent....trading for one now would cost too much and signing one now wouldn't match up with the young bases timeline.
 

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Liked the draft I do believe that the Devils wanted Guhle ....when asked if Rangers moving up for Schneider hurt them Fitz said no they tried trading up but couldn't and at 18 they could of had Schneider they took Mercer following their board....I think not having a second made them push Shak up maybe but he clearly was a player they liked as he said while scouting Amirov they kept going back to Shak so I think I'll trust Fitz.
 
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I think Drysdale was second best player in draft I get taking the big center in LA hard to pass on him but unlike AL and Drysdale Byfield looked lost at the WJC so what do I know.....i didn't want Raymond so I was glad we got Holtz if we weren't going to get Drysdale....
 
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I think Drysdale was second best player in draft I get taking the big center in LA hard to pass on him but unlike AL and Drysdale Byfield looked lost at the WJC so what do I know.....i didn't want Raymond so I was glad we got Holtz if we weren't going to get Drysdale....

Ha, I think Raymond will be either the best, or the second best player in the draft. We'll see though.
 

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Ha, I think Raymond will be either the best, or the second best player in the draft. We'll see though.
You could be right.....didn't like fit on NJ....him and Hughes on line together would look like youth league on ice imo....
 

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I absolutely love the draft and love following the prospects as they develop, but I also realize it’s extremely difficult to predict who will be successful or who will be busts. Even 1OAs have fallen victim to this. (Hughes, Hischier or Makar, Heiskanen? We would be in a pretty good place,but you are trying to avoid the Nolan Patricks (Hopefully he gets better). Zacha< Barzal , but Zacha is a great bottom 6 guy. Is he a bust?

I also think the majority of the work happens after the draft. An organization needs to cultivate their talent. How long do wait for a prospect to go pro? How long do they play in the AHL? Do you give them a big leash or are you hard on them? Do they play with Block Heads or your better players? How much do they play? So many ways to screw up a prospect.
 
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I absolutely love the draft and love following the prospects as they develop, but I also realize it’s extremely difficult to predict who will be successful or who will be busts. Even 1OAs have fallen victim to this. (Hughes, Hischier or Makar, Heiskanen? We would be in a pretty good place,but you are trying to avoid the Nolan Patricks (Hopefully he gets better). Zacha< Barzal , but Zacha is a great bottom 6 guy. Is he a bust?

I also think the majority of the work happens after the draft. An organization needs to cultivate their talent. How long do wait for a prospect to go pro? How long do they play in the AHL? Do you give them a big leash or are you hard on them? Do they play with Block Heads or your better players? How much do they play? So many ways to screw up a prospect.

No he's not, his scoring is almost okay, but his defense was atrocious last year. I don't think the Devils bring him back when this contract is up unless he turns his career around.
 
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I also want to thank @StevenToddIves for all the hard work you put in this. You're a great read & follow on these boards.

As far as the draft is concerned I thought it was solid draft. I was caught off guard by the 20th pick but he does have potential. I personally believe Guhle was high on the Devils draft board. He might've been the pick at 18th if he was there. I like the Daws & Pytlik pick. I'm a lot higher on Ethan Edwards than most. We won't know for sure until 2023-24 if these guys can play or not.
 

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Liked the draft I do believe that the Devils wanted Guhle ....when asked if Rangers moving up for Schneider hurt them Fitz said no they tried trading up but couldn't and at 18 they could of had Schneider they took Mercer following their board....I think not having a second made them push Shak up maybe but he clearly was a player they liked as he said while scouting Amirov they kept going back to Shak so I think I'll trust Fitz.

I'm not going to complain too much about Shakir Mukhamadullin. As far as 2020 LD go, he likely had the third most upside behind only Jake Sanderson (top 5 pick) and Jeremie Poirier (horror show defensively, might even be converted to wing -- Elite Prospects' Cam Robinson brought up this possibility). The biggest knock against Mukhamadullin was an underwhelming draft-eligible season, which we can blame his usage for as much as his actual play. If this kid puts it all together, he's going to look like a pretty good pick here. Devils fans will just need to be patient.

I will say that my biggest problem with the Mukhamadullin pick was not Shakir himself, but the asset management in taking him at #20, especially when -- in hindsight -- Washington really wanted Hendrix Lapierre and gave up the #80 pick to move up from #24 to #22 in order to draft the young QMJHL center. I do not think there was a huge risk of Mukhamadullin being taken in the #20-#23 range, and I would have been much happier if the Devils got him at #24 and also picked up another 3rd round pick. There were some really nice players the Devils could have added at #80 -- just a few picks later the rival Flyers took RW/C Zayde Wisdom, who could be the best true power forward taken in the draft after only Dylan Holloway. But again, I'm not going to complain about Mukhamadullin, he's looked terrific so far in the young 2020-21 campaign and could turn out to be an excellent pick.

As far as the #18 pick goes, I think it would have been absurd to take anyone except Dawson Mercer. So, I don't buy the "if we wanted Schneider we would have taken him at #18" argument -- Mercer was simply the clear-cut best player available at #18 -- he has first-line upside, and if he can show any discernible improvements to his skating he's just going to be ridiculously good. A good friend asked me if it's possible that Mercer turns out better than Holtz, and my answer was yes -- and I've been a huge Holtz booster all year long. I mean, no one can touch Holtz's shot and Holtz is the superior skater, but Mercer is better at every other aspect of the game -- he's a superior two-way player, has a higher hockey IQ and compete level, he's a better passer and stickhandler, he's more physical. I truly think the Devils thought Calgary was taking Zary at #19 and they would get Schneider at #20, but again this is all speculation and I'm not too upset about it.
 

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No he's not, his scoring is almost okay, but his defense was atrocious last year. I don't think the Devils bring him back when this contract is up unless he turns his career around.

He's a PK specialist and that's it
 

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