NFL: 2020 NFL off-season news & notes discussion thread (Cowboys & Texans players have COVID-19)

[SouthGeorge]

People defending Brees in this thread lol gtfo here.

What an absolutely moronic statement to make. How you can be so tone deaf is unbelievable.

He was asked about kneeling once the NFL season comes back. There have been protest in huge numbers in every state in America and beyond. In the words of Jay Z, we are past kneeling. Real action is happening. Pointing to this tragedy as to why Kaep kneel'd. Is no different than the people pointing to David Dorn's death and asking why is nobody protesting for him?

 

[member 157595]

What was Brees thinking? Whatever you truly think or believe, just release a generic statement crafted by a PR specialist and move on.

On that note, why is every public figure somehow obligated to make some sort of statement?

In his position, you have to identify the existing situation; you can't publicly say anything that in any way doesn't fit the popular, dominant narrative.

That in itself violates democratic principles, does it not? I'm certainly not opposing the protests here since they are for a just cause, but your statement viewed on its own is pretty scary.

 

[DueDiligence]

Aaron Rodgers opinion isn't one I hold in high regard, and I mean let's play the inequality game while we are at it...the US is so bad that it has a ton of minority millionaires who can speak out without fear of disappearing or even having violence brought on them...just to use an example...Apartheid South Africa (Real Racism) do you think the Afrikaners allowed a single black man to be wealthy or even have their voices be heard...not a snowballs chance in H-E-double hockey sticks. Is the USA perfect, hell no are they as racist as everyone wants to claim also Hell no
The funny part is a majority of whites in the states are in the same position as a majority of the black population

This isn't about racism it's about bad policing and their tactics they use to subdue suspects. it's fine if you disagree and it's nothing against you personally or anyone else here, I just prefer to live in the real world and not in a fantasy world where Whitey is out to get the black community

You are either young ,naive or both. You need to educate yourself on what is the reality of the world around you not what you encounter in rural New Brunswick.

 

[GKJ]

He was asked about kneeling once the NFL season comes back. There have been protest in huge numbers in every state in America and beyond. In the words of Jay Z, we are past kneeling. Real action is happening. Pointing to this tragedy as to why Kaep kneel'd. Is no different than the people pointing to David Dorn's death and asking why is nobody protesting for him?

If you want to start a movement claiming that looting is bad, there's no shortage of protesters already out on the street who agree with you.

 

[Bakayoko Ono]

On that note, why is every public figure somehow obligated to make some sort of statement?



That in itself violates democratic principles, does it not? I'm certainly not opposing the protests here since they are for a just cause, but your statement viewed on its own is pretty scary.

I believe it's scary, but I also think, as the backlash to Brees' comment is predictably showing, that it's the reality we live in in Western societies, certainly if you're a public figure or a person in any sort of a leadership position.

 

[DangleCity]

People shot to death by U.S. police, by race 2020 | Statista

not at all sir/ma'am feel free to have a look, if my stats are wrong then please show me the correct ones as I want the right information above all else

Mapping Police Violence


Here is the correct data that includes sources and actual statistical analysis.

Black people are killed and brutalized at a far higher rate than white people. To say there more whites killed by police than blacks is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the rate at which it happens compared to the population

 

[member 157595]

I believe it's scary, but I also think, as the backlash to Brees' is predictably showing, it's the reality we live in in Western societies, certainly if you're a public figure or a person in any sort of a leadership position.

That is indeed scary.

I am not defending Brees specifically. I don't agree with him in the first place and what he said was very ill-timed. The problem is that demanding that everyone confirm to a certain set of political and social ideals is...well, it's a slippery step toward mob rule. I definitely don't agree with Brees and he should have known better but he has a right to his opinion.

 

[EpochLink]

Jake Fromm, just stupidity

 

[John Price]

 

[member 157595]

Jake Fromm, just stupidity

what the actual f***

 

[SouthGeorge]

If you want to start a movement claiming that looting is bad, there's no shortage of protesters already out on the street who agree with you.

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.

 

[MikeyMike01]

Does the freedom of speech not also apply to him and others who feel that way? It only applies to those who want to protest? Everybody else has no right to say anything or express how they feel? To me that is the highest level of hypocrisy.

This is what you get when you foster an environment that is not “I think X and you think Y” but rather “I think X and those that disagree are evil”. If Brees is evil, it is perfectly justified to harass him and all the rest.

Sad.

 

[GKJ]

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.

You should be able to if you’re namedropping David Dorn.

 

[kanuck87]

That is indeed scary.

I am not defending Brees specifically. I don't agree with him in the first place and what he said was very ill-timed. The problem is that demanding that everyone confirm to a certain set of political and social ideals is...well, it's a slippery step toward mob rule. I definitely don't agree with Brees and he should have known better but he has a right to his opinion.

People aren't asking Brees to conform. They're asking him to be more open-minded and not just see the world from a white man's perspective. Considering how much he has been around black people for the majority of his life, he should know better.

 

[GKJ]

This is what you get when you foster an environment that is not “I think X and you think Y” but rather “I think X and those that disagree are evil”. If Brees is evil, it is perfectly justified to harass him and all the rest.

Sad.

I was just having this conversation with someone. He wasn't arrested, his freedom of speech wasn't taken away. Just because you get called out on your shit doesn't mean it's a lack of freedom of speech. It's not an inherent problem for him to think that you should always stand for the anthem, in fact the issue at its core was that he had a problem with the way other people were enacting their right to freedom of speech with peaceful protest while simultaneously misrepresenting what the message was.

 

[DoyleG]

I was just having this conversation with someone. He wasn't arrested, his freedom of speech wasn't taken away. Just because you get called out on your shit doesn't mean it's a lack of freedom of speech. It's not an inherent problem for him to think that you should always stand for the anthem, in fact the issue at its core was that he had a problem with the way other people were enacting their right to freedom of speech with peaceful protest while simultaneously misrepresenting what the message was.

Speaking of which......

and you wonder why people get so pissed off with the Lebron's of the world.

The position that Brees took was the same one from the start, and was well known and publicized.

 

[GKJ]

People aren't asking Brees to conform. They're asking him to be more open-minded and not just see the world from a white man's perspective. Considering how much he has been around black people for the majority of his life, he should know better.

In the same conversation, and at the risk of sounding naive, I mentioned the hope that this an opportunity for him and (some of) the issue(s) for a leader to emerge in a place on the spectrum where it's been lacking, even at the risk of skepticism. People will say things no matter what, but he can clean his own mirror.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

A lot of people will defend freedom of speech to the death, until you say something they disagree with, then they'll try to get you cancelled.

 

[TheGooooch]

Like what happened to Kaepernick.

 

[MikeyMike01]

I was just having this conversation with someone. He wasn't arrested, his freedom of speech wasn't taken away. Just because you get called out on your shit doesn't mean it's a lack of freedom of speech. It's not an inherent problem for him to think that you should always stand for the anthem, in fact the issue at its core was that he had a problem with the way other people were enacting their right to freedom of speech with peaceful protest while simultaneously misrepresenting what the message was.

I was not speaking about freedom of speech, but rather the cultural norm of attacking those who merely disagree with hatred and anger.

 

[Reality Check]

In the words of Laura Ingraham:

"Shut up and throw, Drew"


Nevermind...Laura Ingraham is fine with Brees Just not LeBron James

 

[member 157595]

People aren't asking Brees to conform. They're asking him to be more open-minded and not just see the world from a white man's perspective.

I'm not sure about that.

I do not agree with Brees' opinion but it sure seems to me that when a public figure has an opinion about some social issue that even slightly deviates from what mass media considers "acceptable" nowadays no one ever lets it go. Perhaps I'm biased, since I don't use social media and tend to keep my political and social beliefs private in general (that said, I'm not a public figure and no one cares what I think) but I think burying someone for disagreeing about something is dangerous in a vacuum. That said, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences and Brees needs to understand that.

There's no justifying some of the cruelty that has taken place recently and I'm not defending violations of human rights.

Considering how much he has been around black people for the majority of his life, he should know better.

This I agree with 100%.

 

[EpochLink]

 

[GKJ]

I was not speaking about freedom of speech, but rather the cultural norm of attacking those who merely disagree with hatred and anger.

Was more a extension of your point, but yes that too. Elevated emotions can still be civil disagreement.

 

[Halladay]

I just think he is from the generation where they are more out of touch/not as caring with social issues (he is 41). Quaterbacks like Wentz, Burrow, Lawrence, and Goff all came out last week with tweets that were very aware of the situation in this country.