Prospect Info: 2020 Devils-Centric Mock Draft 2.0

[MartyOwns]

Brodeur was not 'much, much, much' better than Dunham - he was certainly better, but Dunham was an average goalie and Brodeur was above-average in the Cup years.

dunham sucked lol. he was a decent backup option for maybe 4 years, nothing more. i don’t think he ever played a single playoff game his entire career- he was never bringing this team or any other a cup. he was the kevin weekes of cam talbots

 

[beekay414]

Perrault has reported attidude issues. He is also consiered bad denfensively. What are the risks with Askarov? Just because he is a goalie?

Goalie being more risky picks IMO is a myth of the past. Teams made great strides in projecting goaltenders. You don't see the draft order of the goalies inverted more than any position. The sample size is just much smaller.

Perreault is this year's Kaliyev. I'm not passing on him for purported attitude issues and being a one end player for a goalie. There's several posts here about the risk of goalies. Can't remember who it was but someone posted about how guys from 2014 are JUST now getting to the NHL and you effectively lose out on ELCs when it comes to goalies so you get no value out of it UNLESS they hit their ceilings. What makes Askarov more worth that risk, with top line forwards on the board, over someone like Calle Clang or Nico Daws in the 3rd/4th when you're hoping just to get a serviceable NHLer out of forward/blue line prospects but you get NHL caliber goalies in that range just as successfully as you do first rounders, if not better? (sorry for the massive run-on sentence btw)

I simply want no part of Askarov. Let someone else take that chance.

EDIT - I believe it was @Triumph with the goalie list.

 

[glenwo2]

Goalies aren't selected in the 1st round anymore.

Now watch the Devils break that norm again.

 

[Ripshot 43]

I have no problem taking Askarov if he’s the BPA.

But, just because we potentially have 3 1st round picks, doesn’t mean I am trying to fill that hole in the organization. Stay the course, don’t reach and we could have ourselves a draft that defines our success over the next 10 years. This could be our Perry/Getzlaf draft if we play it right.

 

[Nico Hischier]

Hypothetically both drysdale and Sanderson are there, who are we picking?

 

[beekay414]

Hypothetically both drysdale and Sanderson are there, who are we picking?

Sanderson for me

 

[TBF1972]

Perreault is this year's Kaliyev. I'm not passing on him for purported attitude issues and being a one end player for a goalie. There's several posts here about the risk of goalies. Can't remember who it was but someone posted about how guys from 2014 are JUST now getting to the NHL and you effectively lose out on ELCs when it comes to goalies so you get no value out of it UNLESS they hit their ceilings. What makes Askarov more worth that risk, with top line forwards on the board, over someone like Calle Clang or Nico Daws in the 3rd/4th when you're hoping just to get a serviceable NHLer out of forward/blue line prospects but you get NHL caliber goalies in that range just as successfully as you do first rounders, if not better? (sorry for the massive run-on sentence btw)

I simply want no part of Askarov. Let someone else take that chance.

EDIT - I believe it was @Triumph with the goalie list.

The bolded part is absolutely wrong. In most drafts the goalies, who were drafted early relatively to the other goalies, did much better than the later picks. Drafting goalies is not a crapshot for NHL teams. They identify the best talents. The dificulty is often to sort them in an order with the skaters. But also there you don't find so many obvious mistakes.
You brought up 2014 as an example and you are right there were 4 goalies drafted in the second round and none of them is a starter yet. But did the skaters who were drafted after them so much better? The first goalie taken was McDonald (#34). The following skaters were drafted after him and have more than 200 NHL games:
Brandon Montour (243)
Christian Dvorak (246)
Brayden Point (295)
Viktor Arvidsson (335)
Danton Heinen (229)
Kevin Labanc (284)
Ondrej Kase (204)
So this is the long list of elite skaters, who were taken after the first goalie in 2014.

 

[beekay414]

The bolded part is absolutely wrong. In most drafts the goalies, who were drafted early relatively to the other goalies, did much better than the later picks. Drafting goalies is not a crapshot for NHL teams. They identify the best talents. The dificulty is often to sort them in an order with the skaters. But also there you don't find so many obvious mistakes.
You brought up 2014 as an example and you are right there were 4 goalies drafted in the second round and none of them is a starter yet. But did the skaters who were drafted after them so much better? The first goalie taken was McDonald (#34). The following skaters were drafted after him and have more than 200 NHL games:
Brandon Montour (243)
Christian Dvorak (246)
Brayden Point (295)
Viktor Arvidsson (335)
Danton Heinen (229)
Kevin Labanc (284)
Ondrej Kase (204)
So this is the long list of elite skaters, who were taken after the first goalie in 2014.

Nobody said after the first goalie. I said in the first round. Askarov isn't worth the investment IMO and that's the end of it.

 

[StevenToddIves]

I personally have Khusnutdinov barely cracking my top50. He's a good skater, but very small and just doesn't put enough points, not internationally and not in the MHL. For me he should be putting 20 to 30 points more to have an argument going in the first round.

We're going to have to agree to disagree then. Khusnutdinov's combination of skating/hands/vision and compete level are tremendous. The stats will follow. I do agree that his size and Russian-ness could drop him into the second round, but I would say he is certainly a first-round talent.

 

[glenwo2]

Hypothetically both drysdale and Sanderson are there, who are we picking?

Drysdale WITHOUT QUESTION.

His kind of talent is more rare than a typical D-man.

Sanderson is overhyped but I've said this a lot so I'll stop. lol.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Perrault has reported attidude issues. He is also consiered bad denfensively. What are the risks with Askarov? Just because he is a goalie?

Goalie being more risky picks IMO is a myth of the past. Teams made great strides in projecting goaltenders. You don't see the draft order of the goalies inverted more than any position. The sample size is just much smaller.

Perreault also has a superior offensive skill set to Holtz or Quinn or Mercer, so someone is going to take him in the first round. How many teams are kicking themselves for passing on Kaliyev last year? I'm not saying I would draft Perreault, I'm just saying he certainly bears looking into.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Drysdale WITHOUT QUESTION.

His kind of talent is more rare than a typical D-man.

Sanderson is overhyped but I've said this a lot so I'll stop. lol.

I take Drysdale over Sanderson too, but you should certainly consider slowing with the "Sanderson is overhyped". If the Devils pick at #7 and Sanderson is on the board but Drysdale is not, Sanderson will very likely be the Devils pick, and deservedly so. This is certainly a possible scenario.

Defensively, Sanderson is the most complete rearguard to come out of the draft in several years. Offensively, he is also extremely effective, if not dynamic. He is one of the top skating defensemen in the 2020 draft, and possesses the highest hockey IQ of any D in the draft. He is one of the younger players in the draft, which is amazing when you watch the maturity and composure with which he plays.

I'm just going to throw this in here -- a ranking of the top 5 defenseman in the draft on offensive and defensive levels. Of course, this is conjecture based on my own observation, but it's worth noting.

OFFENSIVE
1 Drysdale
2 Poirier
3 Sanderson
4 Cormier
5 Andrae


DEFENSIVE
1 Sanderson
2 Schneider
3 O'Rourke
4 Faber
5 Guhle

There's only one name on both of these lists. Though I would describe Drysdale as strong defensively and Andrae as good, Poirier and Cormier are not. The next name on that list would probably be Villeneuve, who is also not a strong defensive guy.

On the defensive side, I'd say all 5 of those names have solid offensive upside as 2PP guys at the NHL level, especially Guhle and O'Rourke.

 

[ninetyeight]

We're going to have to agree to disagree then. Khusnutdinov's combination of skating/hands/vision and compete level are tremendous.

Maybe, but with the uncertainty that surrounds most ofprospects, I'd rather go with the ones that have proven they can produce, instead of just potential. Plus him dropping into the second round is only a sign of how deep this draft is.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Hypothetically both drysdale and Sanderson are there, who are we picking?

I would take Drysdale by a hair, but it's pretty much as close as it can get.

 

[Ripshot 43]

I take Drysdale over Sanderson too, but you should certainly consider slowing with the "Sanderson is overhyped". If the Devils pick at #7 and Sanderson is on the board but Drysdale is not, Sanderson will very likely be the Devils pick, and deservedly so. This is certainly a possible scenario.

Defensively, Sanderson is the most complete rearguard to come out of the draft in several years. Offensively, he is also extremely effective, if not dynamic. He is one of the top skating defensemen in the 2020 draft, and possesses the highest hockey IQ of any D in the draft. He is one of the younger players in the draft, which is amazing when you watch the maturity and composure with which he plays.

I'm just going to throw this in here -- a ranking of the top 5 defenseman in the draft on offensive and defensive levels. Of course, this is conjecture based on my own observation, but it's worth noting.

OFFENSIVE
1 Drysdale
2 Poirier
3 Sanderson
4 Cormier
5 Andrae


DEFENSIVE
1 Sanderson
2 Schneider
3 O'Rourke
4 Faber
5 Guhle

There's only one name on both of these lists. Though I would describe Drysdale as strong defensively and Andrae as good, Poirier and Cormier are not. The next name on that list would probably be Villeneuve, who is also not a strong defensive guy.

On the defensive side, I'd say all 5 of those names have solid offensive upside as 2PP guys at the NHL level, especially Guhle and O'Rourke.

I apologize if you’ve answered this before but who are Drysdale and Sandersons NHL comparables?

 

[My3Sons]

I would take Drysdale by a hair, but it's pretty much as close as it can get.

If both were there would you trade AZ and VAN pick to BUF for 8 and their second round pick (assuming they have their own) to draft both?

 

[Nico Hischier]

I apologize if you’ve answered this before but who are Drysdale and Sandersons NHL comparables?

I think it’s drysdale is comparable to Makar and Sanderson to suter

 

[Nico Hischier]

If both were there would you trade AZ and VAN pick to BUF for 8 and their second round pick (assuming they have their own) to draft both?

I would probably do this depending on where those picks land

 

[My3Sons]

I would probably do this depending on where those picks land

Given the number of solid to high potential young forwards on the team and in the system I’d have a tough time walking away from the possibility of a complete first pair on defense. That said I don’t scout and trust STI who has a good eye for modern NHL defenders as I see it.

 

[glenwo2]

I take Drysdale over Sanderson too, but you should certainly consider slowing with the "Sanderson is overhyped". If the Devils pick at #7 and Sanderson is on the board but Drysdale is not, Sanderson will very likely be the Devils pick, and deservedly so. This is certainly a possible scenario.

Defensively, Sanderson is the most complete rearguard to come out of the draft in several years. Offensively, he is also extremely effective, if not dynamic. He is one of the top skating defensemen in the 2020 draft, and possesses the highest hockey IQ of any D in the draft. He is one of the younger players in the draft, which is amazing when you watch the maturity and composure with which he plays.

I'm just going to throw this in here -- a ranking of the top 5 defenseman in the draft on offensive and defensive levels. Of course, this is conjecture based on my own observation, but it's worth noting.

OFFENSIVE
1 Drysdale
2 Poirier
3 Sanderson
4 Cormier
5 Andrae


DEFENSIVE
1 Sanderson
2 Schneider
3 O'Rourke
4 Faber
5 Guhle

There's only one name on both of these lists. Though I would describe Drysdale as strong defensively and Andrae as good, Poirier and Cormier are not. The next name on that list would probably be Villeneuve, who is also not a strong defensive guy.

On the defensive side, I'd say all 5 of those names have solid offensive upside as 2PP guys at the NHL level, especially Guhle and O'Rourke.

I'm not considering anything.

I'm Stopping, PERIOD.

I've stated my opinion so many times, everyone here is sick of it so I'm putting a lid on it until further notice.

Just looking forward to these Play-ins and seeing what number draft pick we get from the Yotes. They didn't look so good.

 

[StevenToddIves]

I apologize if you’ve answered this before but who are Drysdale and Sandersons NHL comparables?

Drysdale plays so much like Cale Makar it's almost creepy. You'd think they're brothers. It's the best comparable I've had for any draft pick in the past decade.

Sanderson is a little tougher. I'd say he has a lot of Ryan Suter, a good deal of Miro Heiskanen and a dash of something else, due to the fact that he's a better skater and more physical than either of those two.

 

[StevenToddIves]

If both were there would you trade AZ and VAN pick to BUF for 8 and their second round pick (assuming they have their own) to draft both?

So I think you're talking about the #10 and #17 pick in exchange for the #8 and #40 pick?

Yes, if both Drysdale and Sanderson were available I would do that. You'd be pretty much locking up an elite first-pairing defense duo for about a decade. The Devils are already high on talent at center with Hughes and Hischier, and then the only position you'd really have to worry about would be wing, which is the easiest hole on an NHL roster to fill.

 

[My3Sons]

So I think you're talking about the #10 and #17 pick in exchange for the #8 and #40 pick?

Yes, if both Drysdale and Sanderson were available I would do that. You'd be pretty much locking up an elite first-pairing defense duo for about a decade. The Devils are already high on talent at center with Hughes and Hischier, and then the only position you'd really have to worry about would be wing, which is the easiest hole on an NHL roster to fill.

Yes, that's what I was proposing. As you've noted before, it's plausible that both top two defenders are gone by pick 7. At that point, two excellent forwards will fall to NJ's picks. If NJ came away from the draft with two top six forwards that would be a fantastic result. It would be interesting if it worked out to NJ having a choice of defender at 7 and if they'd try to wrangle a trade at that point. Thanks as always for responding!

 

[StevenToddIves]

Yes, that's what I was proposing. As you've noted before, it's plausible that both top two defenders are gone by pick 7. At that point, two excellent forwards will fall to NJ's picks. If NJ came away from the draft with two top six forwards that would be a fantastic result. It would be interesting if it worked out to NJ having a choice of defender at 7 and if they'd try to wrangle a trade at that point. Thanks as always for responding!

Personally, I think both Drysdale and Sanderson are gone by #7. But in the hypothetical I was given, it would be an historic coup to somehow wind up with them both.

 

[TBF1972]

Nobody said after the first goalie. I said in the first round. Askarov isn't worth the investment IMO and that's the end of it.

sorry for my disobedience, boss