Honestly, I think if Benning tried shit like this he's ingrained enough in the OBC that he would get away with it ... it's just he's a big slow vanilla lump who would never think outside the box or push the envelope, unlike a cold-blooded shark like Lamoriello.
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Honestly, I think if Benning tried shit like this he's ingrained enough in the OBC that he would get away with it ... it's just he's a big slow vanilla lump who would never think outside the box or push the envelope, unlike a cold-blooded shark like Lamoriello.
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man lou lamoriello.
at the beginning of his career, he understands he's playing with limited means and is a hardass about contracts for his best players, daring them to ask for too much and trading them away when they do.
the blues poach young brendan shanahan on the cusp, he somehow is awarded scott stevens in return
[cups]
and then late in his career he gets nailed for cap circumvention on the seventeen year kovalchuk contract, loses a first and a third
later, kovalchuk's contract magically disappears
later, the first round pick they lost magically reappears
the man does not lose. (it goes without saying that he also is not the kind of GM who will throw in a third round pick to a trade just to grease the wheels, but he is the kind of GM who can extract your second round pick for a busting vadim sharifijanov, thank you very much brian burke.)
at the beginning of his career, he understands he's playing with limited means and is a hardass about contracts for his best players, daring them to ask for too much and trading them away when they do.
verbeek, young 45 goal scorer —> turned into claude lemieux, conn smythe
muller, his captain and leading scorer, beating heart of the team —> turned into stephane richer, cup winning pedigree who led the first NJ cup team in scoring in the playoffs and got speedy PKer tom chorske as a throw-in
sean burke, considered one of the best young goalies in the game —> turned into bobby holik, a defining shutdown center of the next decade
muller, his captain and leading scorer, beating heart of the team —> turned into stephane richer, cup winning pedigree who led the first NJ cup team in scoring in the playoffs and got speedy PKer tom chorske as a throw-in
sean burke, considered one of the best young goalies in the game —> turned into bobby holik, a defining shutdown center of the next decade
the blues poach young brendan shanahan on the cusp, he somehow is awarded scott stevens in return
[cups]
and then late in his career he gets nailed for cap circumvention on the seventeen year kovalchuk contract, loses a first and a third
later, kovalchuk's contract magically disappears
later, the first round pick they lost magically reappears
the man does not lose. (it goes without saying that he also is not the kind of GM who will throw in a third round pick to a trade just to grease the wheels, but he is the kind of GM who can extract your second round pick for a busting vadim sharifijanov, thank you very much brian burke.)
This is why I've argued for years now that someone like Ken Holland or Dean Lombardi as a very front facing President of Hockey Ops along with a behind-the-scenes Eric Tulsky/Bobby Webster-like GM is probably the best way of running a front office in the NHL.
Of course, even post-Gillis, we did the opposite; brought on a green, inexperienced former player with a ton of bad blood around the league from the PA days as President, and a blustering charter member of the OBC as a one-track GM incapable of taking advantage of that membership. In hindsight, not sure why we were ever surprised who the media (and as a result, ownership) obviously sided with the moment any turmoil started to brew. Lol.
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Yeup, after they said he would be ready to play when the season started, and the fact he played 3 playoff games after the injury.
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Boychuk needed 90 stitches and plastic surgery; he has irreversible eye damage including to the optic nerve.
It makes things a little trickier to manoeuvre in the offseason, but it's essentially just the Pronger/Hossa/Clarkson/Horton/Bolland LTIR run out the clock and they will get the relief they need to sign Barzal.
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Comparable to the McAvoy contract. Think they'll have to make a move to get the other 2 signed.
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Quinn will get more but that comp will certainly help in negotiations. That’s a pretty team friendly contract.
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I think generally a first overall is expected to be NHL-ready skill and IQ-wise. If they aren't, then they probably aren't really 1st OA material IMO. Physical readiness is another matter.
A guy like Kakko is interesting to me; talked about throughout the year as a possible challenger for 1st, NHL body, not afraid of the tough areas, played against men... completely fell flat in the NHL. Liiga would have done him well, but I don't think anyone really expected him to flounder so much. In fact, many scouts thought he had a better chance of being an impact player out of the gate than Jack.
I think in the end it was just a down year talent wise. Hughes has the IQ and skill, lacks the physical readiness. Kakko has the physical tools but doesn't quite have the toolbox together yet. Most years the guys at the top possess both.
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Idk, that kinda puts quinn into the 6m+ bridge deal. Which probably means 8m+ long term.
Provorov is at $6.5 for 6 years with Chabot at $8 mill for 8 years.
sergachev will be a year away from ufa when his bridge deal ends.
Was Nolan Patrick also used in this manner? Again, he was hyped to be 1st overall talent, but his first year was also pretty underwhelming.
Injury. Abdominal injury in his draft year. But after rehab ended up on philly’s roster this his elc expired this summer vs Petey who remained in Sweden after the draft.
I did a quick look the other day wrt #1's being pushed into lineup in D+1 and the last time a #1 didn't play NHL D+1 was Chris Phillips from 1996.
Erik Johnson 2006.
It happened every year from the start of the 18 y/o draft until 1986, and then between 1986 and 1996 there were 7 guys in 11 years that didn't step in (Murphy, Modano, Sundin, Lindros*, Jovanovski, Berard, Phillips) and then it's only happened once in 24 years since. Plus Ovechkin in a year where the NHL didn't happen.
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New Jersey getting their 1st back is one of the biggest bullshit things I have seen and its absolutely insane that the league will do that with one hand and leave us with the Luongo recapture on the other
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just like, a million years ago, st louis signs young shanahan as an RFA, has to give up scott stevens. the exact same summer the rangers sign young adam graves as an RFA and the oilers are awarded troy mallette as compensation.
league is straight up crooked. helps to have a lou lamoriello doing whatever the hell he did in those two instances, vs us "putting a call in to the league" about the luongo recapture.
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Including playoffs, Graves had 64 points in 179 games in the two preceding seasons; Mallette had 55 points in 165 games. Not in any way comparable to Shanahan who had 152 points in 161 games over those two seasons.
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oh ya obviously young graves was nowhere near young shanahan, just like prime graves was also nowhere near prime shanahan. i mean, graves was the scott stevens in that analogy.
my point is anyone watching at the time knew that the only way adam graves and troy mallette were the same is by choosing to believe that similar points equals similar value.
ditto shanahan and stevens, but in reverse. stevens = 108 points in 136 games the previous two years, 180 in 216 the previous three years.
as sather said at the time, the only thing off new york's roster we want in return for adam graves is adam graves. he's emerging as an elite two-way player, can play all three forward positions, and is on track to be our next captain.
the very next season, graves' offence jumps to 25 goals, 60 points, and ties doug gilmour for 5th in selke voting. new york wins the presidents trophy.
year after that 35 goals, 65 points.
two seasons later, graves scores 50 goals and finishes top 5 for the selke again, new york wins another presidents trophy before an asteroid hits midtown between games 6 and 7 of the finals and messier and keenan disappeared forever to become mole people.
that wasn't all predictable, but graves was definitely looked at as a high intangibles player on the cusp of realizing his upside and troy mallette was a flatlining isbister type that edmonton would give away within four months. like imagine when philly did that kesler offer sheet back when he was a 22 year old ten goal scorer, we decided to trade him for stefan ruzicka because, hey, similar style young players that score the same points.
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Discussion has been about Lamiorello supposedly getting favours from the league. Stevens for Shanahan was a fair compensation with age difference (27 vs 22) factored into the equation. Graves vs Mallette is a separate situation that has nothing to do with Lamiorello. (The arbitrator would've seen two guys with similar point totals, both drafted 22nd overall, with Mallette two years younger than Graves. Decision turned out to be incorrect but it wasn't unreasonable.)
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