Boston Bruins 2020-2021 Roster Discussion IV - STAY ON TOPIC

[yazmybaby]

With Pasta being out the first month I think if Sweeney gets creative he can sign Chara 1 year 1mill and Hoffman 1 year 5mill and move Moore and Miller up and down from providence if needed.

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Hoffman-Coyle-Smith
Debrusk-Krejci-Kase
Ritchie-Kuraly-Bjork
Wagner

Pretty deep line up

If we can buy out Moore and Ritchie and use the cap space we have now, we can sign Hoffman, no issues.

 

[analyser]

If we can buy out Moore and Ritchie and use the cap space we have now, we can sign Hoffman, no issues.

Buyout period ended October 8th.

 

[BlackFrancis]

If we can buy out Moore and Ritchie and use the cap space we have now, we can sign Hoffman, no issues.

They've got rules for buyouts and we're long, long past that 15 day window.

 

[JOKER 192]

This is how I see it as well.

The Bruins organization the past decade+ have become a bit of a D-man factory. I don't see that changing. I'm excited to see what the next wave of Bruins-developed D-men can do.

Especially if Keith is the alternative.

 

[Son of Donegal]

If we can buy out Moore and Ritchie and use the cap space we have now, we can sign Hoffman, no issues.

No thanks.

 

[Don Cherry]

Personally, I don't want Hoffman. He seems like the consolation prize for those who sat back and watched real talent get signed. (Guys like Miller and Smith )
What happened to Debrusk and Vaak for Noah Hannifin and Curt Bennett? We need to make a trade.

 

[JOKER 192]

No thanks.

So no thanks to a player in his prime but all aboard for a player well past his,(Keith)? Makes sense.

 

[Son of Donegal]

So no thanks to a player in his prime but all aboard for a player well past his,(Keith)? Makes sense.

Even if you didn't miss the buyout window the Bruins are about to get out from under David Backes' buyout this year and you want to replace it with SIX years of John Moore's buyout on the books.

The Bruin's only save $1.4m on the $2.75M anyways.

Hoffman is fine, but I don't love him. One year of Hoffman for 6 years of Moore's buyout hit? There are much, much better ways.

 

[Don Cherry]

Personally, I don't want Hoffman. He seems like the consolation prize for those who sat back and watched real talent get signed. (Guys like Miller and Smith )
What happened to Debrusk and Vaak for Noah Hannifin and Curt Bennett? We need to make a trade.

Should have said Sam Bennett. Curt played when I was a kid.

 

[JOKER 192]

Even if you didn't miss the buyout window the Bruins are about to get out from under David Backes' buyout this year and you want to replace it with SIX years of John Moore's buyout on the books.

The Bruin's only save $1.4m on the $2.75M anyways.

Hoffman is fine, but I don't love him. One year of Hoffman for 6 years of Moore's buyout hit? There are much, much better ways.

Well if we're talking buyout then I have to agree especially in this particular case where the saving will be minimal and the pain prolonged.

I was just figuring if you can take on Keith then you can take on Hoffman. It would be a better choice .

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

If keith is coming... the way to pay him looks a bit like this

We send moore to chicago... they dont want him? Then they retain some later and send him packing

We end up using our wiggle room to make it work but we are significantly upgraded

It costs us picks/prospects

We do the deal if we think it can make a difference... we dont if we feel it cant

Perhaps we just give gryzlyck/zboril/lauzon/moore a chance first? Keith isnt going anywhere quickly

Might make more sense at the deadline... specially if we still plan to bring chara back too

 

[BruinDust]

If keith is coming... the way to pay him looks a bit like this

We send moore to chicago... they dont want him? Then they retain some later and send him packing

We end up using our wiggle room to make it work but we are significantly upgraded

It costs us picks/prospects

We do the deal if we think it can make a difference... we dont if we feel it cant

Perhaps we just give gryzlyck/zboril/lauzon/moore a chance first? Keith isnt going anywhere quickly

Might make more sense at the deadline... specially if we still plan to bring chara back too

You hit the nail on the head right here with the bolded when it comes to Moore and the Blackhawks. First time you've ever been right from what I can tell.

 

[Dizzay]

If keith is coming... the way to pay him looks a bit like this

We send moore to chicago... they dont want him? Then they retain some later and send him packing

We end up using our wiggle room to make it work but we are significantly upgraded

It costs us picks/prospects

We do the deal if we think it can make a difference... we dont if we feel it cant

Perhaps we just give gryzlyck/zboril/lauzon/moore a chance first? Keith isnt going anywhere quickly

Might make more sense at the deadline... specially if we still plan to bring chara back too

I really feel like waiting till the deadline is our best bet. If we're in the thick of things, we make some moves. If we're not, we have a top tier #2 center in Krejci that's going to net us a huge haul and we have a top 5 tender in the league in Rask that would net us a huge haul. Then smaller pieces like Kuraly, Kase, Ritchie and Halak which would still get us some assets back. If we go that route, we stockpile assets and load up for a quick turnaround for 2021-2022. Perhaps even have a gentlemens agreement with both Krejci and Rask that they'll re-sign in the offseason.

Again that's worst case scenario, I feel like we'll be in the middle of the pack come deadline and we'll adjust accordingly.

 

[Son of Donegal]

Well if we're talking buyout then I have to agree especially in this particular case where the saving will be minimal and the pain prolonged.

I was just figuring if you can take on Keith then you can take on Hoffman. It would be a better choice .

The difference with Keith, although I know you will disagree, is that the Bruins could explore moving Moore outright as part of the deal without extending their contract obligations past 2023. Both players have three years left on their deal. To me it comes down to: do you want to carry an uber-expensive depth defenseman and healthy scratch or a proven top 4 veteran for a bit more.

This probably moot, as you do not like Keith at this stage in his career. I am basing my assessment on the fact that I, and many others, still think he is a top 60D in the league and his decline has plenty to do with the lack of supporting cast around him.

As for Hoffman, I don't like him enough to hurt Boston's chances of improving the roster down the road. Especially as we have no idea what is going on with this season.

If the Bruins did decide to go after Hoffman, I imagine Sweeney would be looking for at least a 2nd year of term and even then, I hope he would clear the necessary cap via trade only.

 

[Blowfish]

The difference with Keith, although I know you will disagree, is that the Bruins could explore moving Moore outright as part of the deal without extending their contract obligations past 2023. Both players have three years left on their deal. To me it comes down to: do you want to carry an uber-expensive depth defenseman and healthy scratch or a proven top 4 veteran for a bit more.

This probably moot, as you do not like Keith at this stage in his career. I am basing my assessment on the fact that I, and many others, still think he is a top 60D in the league and his decline has plenty to do with the lack of supporting cast around him.

As for Hoffman, I don't like him enough to hurt Boston's chances of improving the roster down the road. Especially as we have no idea what is going on with this season.

If the Bruins did decide to go after Hoffman, I imagine Sweeney would be looking for at least a 2nd year of term and even then, I hope he would clear the necessary cap via trade only.

At his age not getting any younger and having not played for almost a year Keith is even steven with a younger less expensive Moore "this year" but next year and the year after that he's simply an older costly and less effective player.

I like Moore and don't see why he needs to be moved now unless packaged in a deal that makes sense... as many stipulated the bruin D isn't the issue with a very good crop of young D.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Personally, I don't want Hoffman. He seems like the consolation prize for those who sat back and watched real talent get signed. (Guys like Miller and Smith )
What happened to Debrusk and Vaak for Noah Hannifin and Curt Bennett? We need to make a trade.

Reality set in.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Well if we're talking buyout then I have to agree especially in this particular case where the saving will be minimal and the pain prolonged.

I was just figuring if you can take on Keith then you can take on Hoffman. It would be a better choice .

Bruins don't have to give up anything for Hoffman.

 

[kthx]

I dont think we need to force any trades or any ufa signings. Just stick with what we have. We might suck next season but man it'd be horrible to see JDB put up 35 goals in another team.

This will look like the 2 seasons we missed the playoffs except we dont have any more Pastas coming up from the system.

 

[Oates2Neely]

You know it’s Covid offseason when Duncan Keith is topic du jour here. Back to my offseason hibernation.

 

[JOKER 192]

Bruins don't have to give up anything for Hoffman.

And.......

 

[yazmybaby]

Buyout period ended October 8th.

Sorry about our luck, DS should have acted on this back in October.

 

[yazmybaby]

I really feel like waiting till the deadline is our best bet. If we're in the thick of things, we make some moves. If we're not, we have a top tier #2 center in Krejci that's going to net us a huge haul and we have a top 5 tender in the league in Rask that would net us a huge haul. Then smaller pieces like Kuraly, Kase, Ritchie and Halak which would still get us some assets back. If we go that route, we stockpile assets and load up for a quick turnaround for 2021-2022. Perhaps even have a gentlemens agreement with both Krejci and Rask that they'll re-sign in the offseason.

Again that's worst case scenario, I feel like we'll be in the middle of the pack come deadline and we'll adjust accordingly.

I am curious on what you think a " big haul" would mean for us if we trade Krejci at the deadline?
Based on past trades, I cannot see us getting a first round pick for him.
I would be doing cart wheels if we could!

 

[Dizzay]

Take a look through the UFA's. We have the best center option and the best goalie option. Trust me, I dont want to be in that boat come deadline, I'd rather be adding for sure, but if you dont think a guy like Krejci gets you a 1st come deadline, you're nuts. Look what TB gave up last year for the likes of Coleman and Goodraw

 

[BruinDust]

Take a look through the UFA's. We have the best center option and the best goalie option. Trust me, I dont want to be in that boat come deadline, I'd rather be adding for sure, but if you dont think a guy like Krejci gets you a 1st come deadline, you're nuts. Look what TB gave up last year for the likes of Coleman and Goodraw

Coleman and Goodrow had two things going for them Krejci doesn't. 1) They had another year on their existing contracts and 2) both guys existing cap hits/contracts are both very low and excellent value. Krejci's salary alone is almost triple Goodrow and Coleman's combined.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

And.......

They do have to give up something for Keith.