Prospect Info: 2019 Prospects

[Megaterio Llamas]

Those days we really had a shitty minor league development system, if you could call it that. Basically Frank Griffiths was so cheap we wound up farming out our players anywhere that would take them. And when Milford finally did get approval to set up our own farm team we still only had a half team of players under contract. They called them Muckler's Dirty Dozen.

 

[Lindgren]

The former GM ya mean? Or related at least its NOT a common last name

No, just a long-ago prospect. No relation. I was trying to be funny by talking about an old prospect when you were asking us to get back to present day. Ha ha.

And I really did think he was going to be a star.

I also thought McGovern would trounce Nixon. You can look that one up.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

No, just a long-ago prospect. No relation. I was trying to be funny by talking about an old prospect when you were asking us to get back to present day. Ha ha.

And I really did think he was going to be a star.

I also thought McGovern would trounce Nixon. You can look that one up.

Wasn't he the son of a famous female skiing or figure skating twin? Old Sherbrooke Beaver I believe.

 

[Lindgren]

Wasn't he the son of a famous female skiing or figure skating twin? Old Sherbrooke Beaver I believe.

Good call. According to Wikipedia:

Gillis was born in Bend, Oregon and raised in Montreal, the son of skier Gene Gillis (a member of the American alpine skiing team for the 1948 Winter Olympics), and Rhona Wurtele, a Canadian Olympic skier who competed at the 1948 Winter Olympics.​

Apparently he also got some work as a stuntman in Hollywood after his playing days.

 

[M2Beezy]

Good call. According to Wikipedia:

Gillis was born in Bend, Oregon and raised in Montreal, the son of skier Gene Gillis (a member of the American alpine skiing team for the 1948 Winter Olympics), and Rhona Wurtele, a Canadian Olympic skier who competed at the 1948 Winter Olympics.​

Apparently he also got some work as a stuntman in Hollywood after his playing days.

O yeah, now I remember

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Fri April 5

AHL

Toronto 2 Utica 1
Leighton 14 saves on 14 shots, left the game (Mazanec 5 saves on 7 shots in relief)

Brendan Woods (6) ASST: Aaron Thow (1), Jonah Gadjovich (6)

ECHL

Kalamazoo 1 Tulsa 4

USHL

Cedar Rapids 3 Dubuque 4
Thiessen was the back-up

OHL Playoffs

Sudbury 5 Ottawa 8
DiPietro 23 saves on 28 shots

Ottawa leads series 1-0

Oshawa 2 Niagara 3 (OT)
Brassard 1 assist, -1

Niagara leads series 1-0

S_C

 

[Lindgren]

Manukyan was pointless and +1 in 13:47 of ice-time today in Avangard's 3-2 double overtime playoff loss.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Sat April 6

AHL

Utica 4 Hartford 0
Mazanec 21 saves on 21 shots

Jonah Gadjovich (3) ASST: Lukas Jasek (16), Brendan Gaunce (21)
Tom Pyatt (5) ASST: Reid Boucher (30) (SH)
Cam Darcy (10) ASST: Zack MacEwen (29), Tom Pyatt (11) (PP)
Zack MacEwen (21) ASST: Carter Bancks (10), Brendan Woods (9) (EN)

ECHL

Kalamazoo 1 Tulsa 6

USHL

Chicago 0 Dubuque 5
Thiessen 44 saves on 44 shots

S_C

 

[beachcomber]

We traded our 1974 #1 to Montreal at the 1973 draft for the #9 overall pick in ‘73 which we selected Bob Dailey with. Drafted twice in the top 10 in 1973.

Exactly, who can forget passing on Lanny McDonald ,Bob Gainey and Rick Middleton in the 1st round for Dennis Ververgaert and Bob Dailey? Spectacular misses in a 16 team league. Youngsters today complaining about the Juolevi pick have no idea how bad the drafting was here for decades on end.

 

[Fatass]

Exactly, who can forget passing on Lanny McDonald ,Bob Gainey and Rick Middleton in the 1st round for Dennis Ververgaert and Bob Dailey? Spectacular misses in a 16 team league. Youngsters today complaining about the Juolevi pick have no idea how bad the drafting was here for decades on end.

The Jagr miss was the one that got me the most. It was here too. I remember taking Nedved and just shaking my head. When you get a chance to draft elite skill, skating, and compete in a large frame you take that.

 

[MS]

Exactly, who can forget passing on Lanny McDonald ,Bob Gainey and Rick Middleton in the 1st round for Dennis Ververgaert and Bob Dailey? Spectacular misses in a 16 team league. Youngsters today complaining about the Juolevi pick have no idea how bad the drafting was here for decades on end.

Dailey was a stud who was the #1 defender on the terrific late-70s Flyer teams. That pick was fine. His career just looks much less impressive than it should in hindsight because of the horrible injury that ended it at age 28.

Ververgaert was lights-out his first 3 years and a better player than McDonald. The scouts identified the right guy ... he just fell off a cliff early while McDonald continued to improve. You wonder how badly the state of the organization at the time ruined players.

 

[vanuck]

Wed April 3

ECHL

Kalamazoo 2 Wichita 1 (OT)

Kalamazoo clinches a playoff spot - currently 6th in the Western Conference

S_C

Well at least one team in this sad sack organization will make the playoffs...

 

[wetcoast]

The Jagr miss was the one that got me the most. It was here too. I remember taking Nedved and just shaking my head. When you get a chance to draft elite skill, skating, and compete in a large frame you take that.

Nedved wasn't a poor pick as he had an excellent WHL season after defecting.

Teams were wary of Jagr and the whole Czech situation still in that draft, despite his being the most skilled guy by far.

Exactly, who can forget passing on Lanny McDonald ,Bob Gainey and Rick Middleton in the 1st round for Dennis Ververgaert and Bob Dailey? Spectacular misses in a 16 team league. Youngsters today complaining about the Juolevi pick have no idea how bad the drafting was here for decades on end.

Hindsight is 20/20 both Ververgaert and Dailey were good picks for where they went.

drafting in the early 70's was a real crapshoot, for every great pick by an NHL team there were more "poor" ones.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Sun April 7

AHL

Utica 1 Providence 3
Kulbakov 22 saves on 24 shots

Vincent Arseneau (8) ASST: Wacey Hamilton (8), Stefan LeBlanc (12)

OHL Playoffs

Sudbury 0 Ottawa 5
DiPietro 27 saves on 27 shots (selected 1st star)

Ottawa leads series 2-0

Oshawa 1 Niagara 5
Brassard 1 goal (1st), +2 (selected 2nd star)

Niagara leads series 2-0

S_C

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Exactly, who can forget passing on Lanny McDonald ,Bob Gainey and Rick Middleton in the 1st round for Dennis Ververgaert and Bob Dailey? Spectacular misses in a 16 team league. Youngsters today complaining about the Juolevi pick have no idea how bad the drafting was here for decades on end.

Yes we do know how bad it was.

Back then the data wasnt readily available to everyone. The data that lets you pick like an average NHL GM by following a simple algorithm.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

I'm pretty sure it was Walton (then in the WHA) and Schmautz for he and Fred O'Donnell.

That trade pissed me off so much. Little kid me was a huge Schmautz fan... and O’ Donnell refused to report, splitting for the WHA.

Actually, I’m still mad, tbh.

 

[Lindgren]

Artyom Manukyan was pointless in 15:15 TOI as Avangard won 1-0 in triple overtime. He had three SOG. Avangard now advances to the KHL finals.

I wonder if coach Hartley's success with Avangard will get him consideration for a spot in the NHL next year. Ottawa?

 

[krutovsdonut]

drafting in the early 70's was a real crapshoot, for every great pick by an NHL team there were more "poor" ones.

injuries killed careers then at a much higher rate and so did life skills weak spots. plus you could get yourself blackballed pretty easily.

there was not a lot of hand holding.

 

[orcatown]

End of the Season Prospect list

1. Hughes
2. Tryamkin (Canucks still have his rights)
3. Madden
4. DePietro
5. Joulevi
6. McEwen
7. Woo
8. Lockwood
9. Rathbone
10. Brisebois
11. Rafferty
12. Sautner
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
16. Lind
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

 

[vanuck]

End of the Season Prospect list

1. Hughes
2. Tryamkin (Canucks still have his rights)
3. Madden
4. DePietro
5. Joulevi
6. McEwen
7. Woo
8. Lockwood
9. Rathbone
10. Brisebois
11. Rafferty
12. Sautner
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
16. Lind
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

Looking like a thoroughly average list once you graduate Hughes, Petterson and Boeser... 5 years of a non-intentional rebuild and this is all we have to show for it.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

End of the Season Prospect list

1. Hughes
2. Tryamkin (Canucks still have his rights)
3. Madden
4. DePietro
5. Joulevi
6. McEwen
7. Woo
8. Lockwood
9. Rathbone
10. Brisebois
11. Rafferty
12. Sautner
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
16. Lind
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

I'm with you until around 10, then I rate some of the guys who've been playing pro a bit higher than guys who have yet to make that big step. But most of the guys after 10 will be lucky to get more than a cup of coffee in the bigs anyway.

That said, I think Woo is a better prospect than Juolevi now.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

End of the Season Prospect list

1. Hughes
2. Tryamkin (Canucks still have his rights)
3. Madden
4. DePietro
5. Joulevi
6. McEwen
7. Woo
8. Lockwood
9. Rathbone
10. Brisebois
11. Rafferty
12. Sautner
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
16. Lind
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

Good list. I still believe that if Tryamkin ever comes over, the gap between him and third place is pretty wide.

Woo is the guy I could see moving up quite a bit next year, but he's fine there for now.

I'm not sure if you rated Rafferty below Brisebois due to sample size. I've only seen his few Canucks games myself, but I thought he showed more than Brisebois ever has at the NHL level. Nice little addition to the pool, but again, he's good at that spot given the small sample.

 

[krutovsdonut]

End of the Season Prospect list

1. Hughes
2. Tryamkin (Canucks still have his rights)
3. Madden
4. DePietro
5. Joulevi
6. McEwen
7. Woo
8. Lockwood
9. Rathbone
10. Brisebois
11. Rafferty
12. Sautner
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
16. Lind
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

i can quibble but that is fair comment if rated on high ceiling versus actual nhl potential. brisebois and sautner move way up if being a number 6 dman is considered success. juolevi deserves to be higher than 5th except for the two major surgeries.

 

[DonnyNucker]

End of the Season Prospect list

1. Hughes
2. Tryamkin (Canucks still have his rights)
3. Madden
4. DePietro
5. Joulevi
6. McEwen
7. Woo
8. Lockwood
9. Rathbone
10. Brisebois
11. Rafferty
12. Sautner
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
16. Lind
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

Tryamkin above Woo and Madden. Hilarious. He is 25 this summer and isn’t coming back. He has the value of “future considerations.”

 

[iceburg]

End of the Season Prospect list

1. Hughes
2. Tryamkin (Canucks still have his rights)
3. Madden
4. DePietro
5. Joulevi
6. McEwen
7. Woo
8. Lockwood
9. Rathbone
10. Brisebois
11. Rafferty
12. Sautner
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
16. Lind
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

1. Hughes (star in the making)
5. Joulevi (despite failing to live up to his draft position, Juolevi is still a good prospect.)
7. Woo (legitimate top 4 NHL upside)
3. Madden (great development year. Needs to continue his development trajectory)
4. DePietro (still concerned about size for NHL. Can't argue his compete and his play at current level).
6. McEwen (Has he topped out or can he give more? If the latter then he has a place in the NHL).
9. Rathbone (Will he be a legitimate offensive D-man in the NHL or just a good AHLer? Time will tell.)
8. Lockwood (tweener. Upside is bottom 6 NHL energy winger)
16. Lind (NHL potential but real possibility he could completely bust within the next two years).
11. Rafferty (NHL potential. Needs a year in the AHL to make upside clearer).
10. Brisebois (depth call-up)
12. Sautner (depth call-up)
13. Eliot
14. Teves
15. Kiely
17. Karlsson
18. Thiessen
19. Utenen
20. Gadjovich
21. Jasek
22. Chatfield
23. Palmu

2. Tryamkin (probably best described as an asset rather than a prospect)