Prospect Info: 2019 Prospects

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  1. Ronning On Empty

    Ronning On Empty Formerly BleachClean

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    @ChilliBilly Glad at least someone recognizes the absurdity in the often made claim that we have no defensive prospect depth.
     
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    Askel By the way Benning should be fired.

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    Hughes is a great prospect. The rest has a long way to go before they are anything special to talk about. Every team in the league has prospects like Woo, Rathbone, Utunen & Joulevi. None of these 3 players are separating themselves as elite prospect. Joulevi is still not in the NHL 3 years after his draft.

    The Canucks have one of the worst NHL defenses in the league, they really need help there. So much help and right now only one of our prospects look like a sure bet to be an impact NHL-player. To me having depth in the prospect pool is having multiple guys who look ready to contribute soon, who are dominating their leagues. None of our prospects except for Hughes is doing that.

    Just last year people were saying that Canucks had fantastic prospect depth in the but the weak seasons of Gadjovich, Palmu, Lind, Dahlen suddenly makes our wing depth for the future look suspect. And all of these guys had very good years last year.
     
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    Defense is tough to predict. Look at our past good defensemen. Tanev, undrafted, Edler, later pick, Ehrhoff later pick. Hutton later pick.
    If Hutton can continue to play at this level then with adding Hughes we may see a pretty quick turn around on defense. I also like the way Woo is progressing and think Juolevi still has good potential although not at the spot he was picked.
    What we really need imo is a physical guy who is solid defensively as the mix is missing that element. Woo becoming a top 4 guy would be huge.
     
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    Woo becoming a top 4 shutdown guy is the X factor to our future D core.
     
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    So true.If he can become what Gudbranson was supposed to be,it will really solidify our D-core.
    Tryamkin coming back over would improve things immensely
    as well.
    We still need to keep drafting good defenceman in case neither of those things happen or just to build depth in the organization going forward.
     
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    Three things are certain life: death, taxes and overrating junior prospects.
     
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    Actually not every team has prispects like Joulevi woo and rathbone as evidenced by the chart on the prior page.
    Of the 26 dmen Van had 4 while Chicago had 3 and the rest of thr teams had one or none.
    It's the same thing with HN top 50 nhl affiliated prospects last year the nucks had 5 while phil had 4 and the rest had two one or none.
    Every team has prospects like you say but to different degrees of quality and number .
    We appear to be doing top of the league prospect development according to some paid hockey experts anyway thank you.
     
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    Almost every team in the league has prospects like those 3. You mention Chicago. They have:
    Jokiharju
    Forsling
    Boqvist
    Beaudin
    Tuulola
    Raddysh

    All of which are better than our #4 in Rathbone. Hughes gives us a high end talent, but compared to other teams we do not have good defensive depth.
     
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    We basically have 4 defensive prospects, and 3 are pure offensive guys with major defensive question marks. 2 of those are also years away, and another is trending poorly.

    There is literally nothing in Utica, and nothing except for Hughes coming in the next 2 years.
     
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    It's gonna get ugly. Their two best defensemen aren't under contract past next season and there's no savior coming up
     
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    Yeah I'm not sure where if I've ever seen all those names on any prospect list perhaps you should enlighten us on your source to the hawks great success . Are they prospects or nhl players?
     
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    Who made up that list? Is it some random? What’s the basis, just offense compared to peers in the same league compared to historical trends?
     
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    If you aren't aware of who those players are, why are you so confident in the strength of Vancouver's prospect pool? You at least must know Forsling.
     
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    We clearly have some very good defence prospects at top of our pool which is top tier for team prospects but that just it they're just prospects until their good enough to be nhl players and graduate.
    We need help very soon not 4 years from now with edler and tanev aging out soon and only Quinn looking ready we need the continued seemingly rapid development of our d prospects to continue.
     
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    I understand Forsling is an nhl player and has over a full season of games under his belt and has graduated from prospect status. Who else on your list is up with the big club.
    The prior posted list has 3 hawks on it which is pretty impressive and as you mentioned has some very good young d talent that has graduated and are no longer discussed as prospects.
     
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    You've got it with that last sentence. It was based entirely on scoring, not scouting or defensive play.
     
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    What a pile of whining. It's just not that bad. Edler was 21 when he had his first full season. Juolevi is 20. Was he the wrong choice? probably. But we have no idea what his ceiling is.

    Hutton seems to be progressing. Stecher is not bad. Few more years of Edler.

    So we have Edler for 2 -3 more years as a steadying influence, Tanev, the 3 mentioned above.

    Add in Hughes, and Tryamkin returns and this is a pretty solid defense.

    With Woo in the wings. Brisebois and Sautner etc as call ups.
     
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    i loved our prospect depth a year or two years ago.
    but many of our prospects had very weak seasons

    however... its not world ending for the Canucks...if Hughes pans out like he looks like he will, Juolevi becomes at least a solid no.5 guy and one of demko/dipietro pans out, then the canucks are a top6 ufa signing away from icing a very good (mostly young) team.
     
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    Brickstrom Weaponized Logic

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    If Canucks can sign Mark Stone or Panarin next season and if we can somehow manage to get a top 2 pick, we are off to the races.
     
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    i agree.
    Duchene can play RW and wouldnt cost as much as Panarin. Big speed and skill. Would compliment Horvat or Pettersson.
    Anders Lee would also be such an awesome pickup. Big bodied, can throw hits and great finisher in close.

    top 2 would be ideal.. but even a top 10 pick would be pretty sweet
     
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    Askel By the way Benning should be fired.

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    Im sorry but Edler right now is a no 3 d-man, and won't get better with time. Tanev can play on the top pair but is injury prone, and has no offensive skills. Hutton is a no 4-5 d-man, he is playing better but he is not a game changer. Stetcher is a no 6-7 d-man.

    Gudbransson, Pouliot, Biega, MDZ are pure trash, at best they are no 6 d-men.

    Hughes is good, Joulevi can't defend at the AHL level or score 5 vs 5. Woo is having a good year, but its long way from the WHL to NHL. The great season from Rathbone still has him 3rd in d-scoring on his own team. Utunen has one point in 20 games in SM-liiga.

    Brisebois and Sautner are their 4th and 2nd AHL years and has a combined 5 NHL games between them.

    The Canucks need a better defense and more and better prospects. If this team had a good defense they would probably challenge for a playoff spot. Canucks have 2 players that are playing like no 1 centers and a great goalscorer in Boeser. The reason this team sucks is because of their defense and unless Hughes can come in and be a no1 D-man straight away (which is unlikely) they will struggle next year to.
     
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    What do you mean a few more years of Edler? Neither he nor tanev are under contract much longer. You're counting on tryamkin returning and the best case scenario ld a bunch of longshots
     
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    PRNuck Sell the team.

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    Pfft, just you wait, Frankie's allllllmost ready!
     
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    Which makes me think signing EK is the right time and the right fit for us. Drafting a D and waiting for him to pan out would take 3 years, and Byram, Broberg or Drysdale don't really look like worldbeaters at this stage. If you expect 50pts out of EK the rest of the way, mentor QH and taking on #1 assignments , rebuild progress will go a long way. Then you have to wait for Woo to take that step.
     
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