Rumor: 2019-2020 Trade Rumours and Free Agent Discussion | give me Hall your players

[Brett44]

Sakic please do something like

1st 2020+1st 2021 + Zadorov +Kamenev or Jost
For

Manson
Rakell

Or
Vatanen
Coleman/Zacha/Woods

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I’m willing to give Kamanev an opportunity over the next month to see if he’s actually as good and consistent as he has appeared every time he steps into the lineup. The Jost experiment is dead please. He’s not going to be our 3C. Try Kamenev and if he’s over his head, grab one at the deadline. Give a Nuke-Kam-Compher line a look.

Same thing with goaltending. Ride Frankie and let’s see how we feel at the deadline.

One position that’s 100% clear that can’t be filled internally is a partner for Cale Makar. He hasn’t had one that worked yet. I would love to see Sakic address this right away.

 

[The Merchant]

Kreider will be a great fit for the Avs if traded there. Think of the element that Landeskog brings to the team, Kreider brings some of the same, but is a different element all together. One of the fastest in the league, and one of the strongest. Playoff warrior and comes up big whenever he needs to. Leads the league in tipped goals since 2015 as well and is a fantastic net front presence. He’s frustrating with his inconsistency and low IQ, but he might be the most unique player in the league with the way he plays the game. Also a corsi monster. Would be the perfect fit imo. 1st+Kaut maybe?

And what element is that, exactly?

 

[humbury8]

Without EJ we were 6-1-1, since he's back in the lineup we are 3-6-3. I don't say it is his fault but it is weird for sure. I wish we had Weber instead of him.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Pageau is literally the perfect match for everything this team needs right now

1st + B prospect. Whatever it takes just get the kind in the Burgundy and Blue

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Pageau is literally the perfect match for everything this team needs right now

1st + B prospect. Whatever it takes just get the kind in the Burgundy and Blue

Senators fans are on board with Jost + 1st + Morrison for Pageau and Demelo. Can somebody call Joe/Pierre and just get the wheels in motion already.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Senators fans are on board with Jost + 1st + Morrison for Pageau and Demelo. Can somebody call Joe/Pierre and just get the wheels in motion already.

Yup and see Demelo would be a solid fit as well. Defensive PK guy who would be an upgrade on Cole, Zadorov, and Graves.


Then you look at shipping out Zadorov this summer.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I strongly believe we need a Top-6 Calvert, essentially a guy who’s going to come in and play a steady game, every game.

I also think that guy can be Pageau

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Let’s just add Jumbo and Lundqvist so that every hockey fan in the world becomes an Avs fan for the playoff run!

 

[AvsGuy]

I really can't stomach the thought of having to insert Erik Johnson into this lineup for another 3 years. The wheels have rusted and fallen off, and his contract is an immovable albatross.

I hope Sakic has a heart-to-heart with the guy to see if there's any chance he'd waive for a fresh start in Seattle, if they'd even take him.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

The killer with EJ is definitely loyalty. He stood strong and was Mr. Avalanche during the dark years. I’d say even more so than Landy. Now that the Avalanche are good I don’t think Sakic would even consider asking him to waive a clause to be moved.

If the Avs magically won a cup this year I could see it in the offseason. He got his championship. But I don’t see a cup happening and I don’t see Sakic moving him while we’re right on the cusp of contending.

I think EJ is Byram’s partner all next season.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

They wouldnt take him^


I still dont think he's anywhere near that level of bad. Overpaid no question and it's gonna be ugly in 2 years time. But right now I still think he can be a solid #4 for us.


His problem and it's the same problem with all of our Dmen, is that he's playing a spot or two higher than he should be.

He's not the 22-23 minute a night guy he was 3 years ago. But limit his minutes to ~17-18 and not matching up against the other teams best guys and I still think he's a useful NHLer. Problem is we don't have anyone else to play his minutes better. Cole, Graves, and Zadorov are not the solutions at all.

 

[Pokecheque]

They wouldnt take him^


I still dont think he's anywhere near that level of bad. Overpaid no question and it's gonna be ugly in 2 years time. But right now I still think he can be a solid #4 for us.


His problem and it's the same problem with all of our Dmen, is that he's playing a spot or two higher than he should be.

He's not the 22-23 minute a night guy he was 3 years ago. But limit his minutes to ~17-18 and not matching up against the other teams best guys and I still think he's a useful NHLer. Problem is we don't have anyone else to play his minutes better. Cole, Graves, and Zadorov are not the solutions at all.

He can’t be that guy anymore. Now it’s not just a speed issue. He’s getting pushed around and muscled off pucks regularly. It’s really tough to see but I’m really starting to wonder if he can be a third pairing defender at this point.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

What sucks about EJ is that he’s already getting the limited minutes since being reinserted back into the lineup.

Since coming back in mid December, only Cole and Zadorov have played less 5v5 minutes per game than EJ. The last two games Zadorov has gotten more ice time too which leaves Cole as the only defenseman playing less. He’s getting #5D minutes with PK time and he’s still struggling mightily.

He’s getting limited minutes. He just can’t skate with today’s NHL.

 

[AvsGuy]

Crazy part is with all the cap room and flexibility we have (had?), next year we'll be investing over $10 million in 2 defenders who shouldn't be in our lineup

Barf

 

[Linds]

Vegas just fired Gerard Gallant..make your move Sakic

 

[dahrougem2]

Go get Pageau and hell throw in DeMelo if need be.

Landeskog - MacKinnon - Rantanen
Burakovsky - Kadri - Donskoi
Nichuskin - Pageau - Compher
Calvert - Bellemare - Nieto

Graves (yuck) - Makar
Girard - DeMelo
Zadorov/Cole - Johnson

I really, really think Ryan Graves being attached to the hip of Cale Makar is going to hurt us this year.

 

[milehigh11]

Crazy part is with all the cap room and flexibility we have (had?), next year we'll be investing over $10 million in 2 defenders who shouldn't be in our lineup

Barf

On the bright side I was able to entice a team in NHL20 to give me a 1st and 2nd rd pick for EJ and that pick turned out to be the 11th OA in the following draft lol. And I didnt have to retain any $$$$. Double score

 

[henchman21]

He just can’t skate with today’s NHL.

It is really quite amazing the difference in skating over the past 5-10 years. So many players today are high, high end skaters where they would have been far and away the best skater in the NHL in 2009. Just watching Miro last night, you see he's a high end skater and it is such a big part of his game. I'm not sure there were more than 2 better pure skating defensemen in the league in 2009... now I look across the NHL and there are probably 10+ who could legitimately be put higher. To be average in the NHL now, you have to be very, very good. If you're not, you're being left in the dust.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

It is really quite amazing the difference in skating over the past 5-10 years. So many players today are high, high end skaters where they would have been far and away the best skater in the NHL in 2009. Just watching Miro last night, you see he's a high end skater and it is such a big part of his game. I'm not sure there were more than 2 better pure skating defensemen in the league in 2009... now I look across the NHL and there are probably 10+ who could legitimately be put higher. To be average in the NHL now, you have to be very, very good. If you're not, you're being left in the dust.

Yup. It’s why players drop off so quick. Once upon a time once you started slowing down your game would slow down with it but it took a longer time to happen because the league itself never changed much.

Nowadays when players slow down, the rest of the league is actually still speeding up so it’s a double negative.

For every step you lose, the league gains one. So instead of losing “a step” these days, you lose two steps.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

The whole Gallant situation got me thinking about a guy whose career he helped turned around. Bill Karlsson played a very very very similar game to Tyson Jost before being coached by Gallant. Constantly trying to use speed and strength to edge out defenders despite not really being faster or stronger than anyone. He played deep in the offensive zone but since Gallant took over he tends to play way higher and less time away from the walls. I think Jost is a lost cause but some changes to the way he plays might at least make him an NHLer.

 

[cgf]

Sakic please do something like

1st 2020+1st 2021 + Zadorov +Kamenev or Jost
For

Manson
Rakell

Or
Vatanen
Coleman/Zacha/Woods

And what element is that, exactly?

Sex appeal.

 

[cgf]

What sucks about EJ is that he’s already getting the limited minutes since being reinserted back into the lineup.

Since coming back in mid December, only Cole and Zadorov have played less 5v5 minutes per game than EJ. The last two games Zadorov has gotten more ice time too which leaves Cole as the only defenseman playing less. He’s getting #5D minutes with PK time and he’s still struggling mightily.

He’s getting limited minutes. He just can’t skate with today’s NHL.

Nonsense, I was told repeatedly that EJ was still our "real #1" and perfectly capable of continuing to carry that load.

 

[AvsFan29]

Zadorov is being tied to trade rumours with Toronto.

half the league is also tied to Toronto right now, but I think a Zadorov trade makes sense. It might hurt us in the playoffs though.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Zadorov is being tied to trade rumours with Toronto.

half the league is also tied to Toronto right now, but I think a Zadorov trade makes sense. It might hurt us in the playoffs though.

At the same time, it'll be better than losing him for nothing