Rumor: 2019-2020 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Thread XI (Apparently 19-20 Will Never End)

[Balthazar]

 

[Foppa2118]

This feels similar to the Shattenkirk rumors in past seasons, where there didn't seem to be an obvious need or fit for him either.

I wonder if Sakic just makes low ball offers for these guys thinking, "If I can get them for cheap why not?" But that doesn't mean they're pursuing them very hard.

The only other way this makes sense, is if Sakic is considering trading Byram.

 

[Richard88]

Could it be that Sakic is thinking of running with Krug/Girard/Byram at LHD next season, and moving all 3 of Graves/Zadorov/Cole (or keeping Graves around for 1 year on a cheap deal)?

Krug --- Makar
Girard - Johnson
Byram - RHD
7D/Graves/Timmins

That's a crazy amount of good puckmovers on D.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

This feels similar to the Shattenkirk rumors in past seasons, where there didn't seem to be an obvious need or fit for him either.

I wonder if Sakic just makes low ball offers for these guys thinking, "If I can get them for cheap why not?" But that doesn't mean they're pursuing them very hard.

The only other way this makes sense, is if Sakic is considering trading Byram.

Trading in cap era a bluechip prospect? You better be sure it's the last piece of the puzzle you trade for.

I doubt it.

 

[Foppa2118]

But what about the 2nd unit? Makar isn’t going to play all the PP minutes...

Plenty of options for the second PP unit. Girard, Byram, Timmins, and EJ can all play well there.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don’t believe it’ll be here, even if the Avalanche trade for his negotiating rights.

Right out of the horses mouth as to why I don’t think he’ll sign here - I don’t believe the Avalanche will offer a 5+ year deal.

It might not happen for the reasons you mentioned. But can we agree that the Avs don’t pursue this unless they’re willing to trade Byram?

 

[Alex Jones]

Krug sucks defensively. He's not the guy.

 

[Avs_19]

Please stop trying to trade Byram. He's 19 years old, on an ELC, and probably the best defensive prospect in the NHL. Avs can make win now trades to upgrade the team without including him.

 

[Foppa2118]

If we could get either pick, we’d potentially have the ammunition to trade into the top 10.

If Sakic did this it would be his first time trading up in the draft. The Avs just don't normally operate this way. In fact I can't remember when, if ever, they've traded up in the draft before Joe was GM.

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

Please stop trying to trade Byram. He's 19 years old, on an ELC, and probably the best defensive prospect in the NHL. Avs can make win now trades to upgrade the team without including him.

I doubt the Avs management are considering it in any way. Like it was mentioned earlier you only consider a trade if you get a young difference maker (like Gibson or Huberdeau)

 

[forsbergavs32]

Krug to the Avs confirmed

 

[shadow1]

It might not happen for the reasons you mentioned. But can we agree that the Avs don’t pursue this unless they’re willing to trade Byram?

I don’t believe that, though I think it could have massive implications for Ryan Graves (as Zadorov, and even Ian Cole, can and have played RD).

I think we’re not seeing eye to eye on this one, so we may have to agree to disagree. Though, I may share your opinion if the Avalanche acquire Krug and then gave him a long deal (6-8 years)...

 

[AvsMakar08]

No on Laine, Krug, Gudreau, Brodie....
No on Byram other than if blockbuster someone like Anaheim...Gibson, Manson, etc.
Yes to any number of TB players, Danault, Bonino...maybe, AP.

What about our beloved Tylor Hall?

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don’t believe that, though I think it could have massive implications for Ryan Graves (as Zadorov, and even Ian Cole, can and have played RD).

I think we’re not seeing eye to eye on this one, so we may have to agree to disagree. Though, I may share your opinion if the Avalanche acquire Krug and then gave him a long deal (6-8 years)...

Im not in total disagreement with you. On page 98 I said as much and previous to that, I suggested Boston might be name dropping to jack up the price.

However, the more I thought about it the more I realized there’s a case to be made for trading him. On one end of the spectrum, you have bust risk, which would kill his value (after the Jost experience, they might be thinking long and hard about this). Then at the other end of the spectrum, Byram could blow up and become too expensive to keep down the road. Neither scenario keeps our window open, although the latter would allow us to trade him any time.

Meanwhile, we have a team that’s contending (or at least trying to contend now). Trading Byram now while his value is high, allows us to add a premium player on a good contract plus depth.

 

[Foppa2118]

It makes even less sense if the plan is to move Zadorov+Graves to make room for Krug. Then they'd have a small left side of Girard and Krug with a rookie Byram, and a rookie Timmins likely on the right side too.

That would make EJ the only defenseman you'd really want matching up against big forwards until guys like Byram and Timmins get more comfortable in the NHL. We saw how things went after an EJ injury. It doesn't make sense to take away all the big defenseman backup options for him, just to bring in another PP specialist.

I don't think anybody really wants to trade Byram either. The issue is his development path so far hasn't lined up with the Avs current Cup window. It would be great if he could play at a high level next year, but it's also possible that Sakic looks to make an aggressive move to bring in another big piece so they can compete while Nate is cheap.

 

[AvsMakar08]

It makes even less sense if the plan is to move Zadorov+Graves to make room for Krug. Then they'd have a small left side of Girard and Krug with a rookie Byram, and a rookie Timmins likely on the right side too.

That would make EJ the only defenseman you'd really want matching up against big forwards until guys like Byram and Timmins get more comfortable in the NHL. We saw how things went after an EJ injury. It doesn't make sense to take away all the big defenseman backup options for him, just to bring in another PP specialist.

I don't think anybody really wants to trade Byram either. The issue is his development path so far hasn't lined up with the Avs current Cup window. It would be great if he could play at a high level next year, but it's also possible that Sakic looks to make an aggressive move to bring in another big piece so they can compete while Nate is cheap.

Sakic has never traded top NHL prospects in his career so far. He should rather make an offer sheet instead of giving up an NHL defenseman that could be even better then Makar.

Offer sheet Erik Cernak, Dman, 6"3 a 6M or so offer so that we only loose next years 1st, 2nd ad 3rd rounder.

 

[Richard88]

Sakic has never traded top NHL prospects in his career so far. He should rather make an offer sheet instead of giving up an NHL defenseman that could be even better then Makar.

Offer sheet Erik Cernak, Dman, 6"3 a 6M or so offer so that we only loose next years 1st, 2nd ad 3rd rounder.

$6m would be waaay too much. $4m would be more than enough needed to make it difficult for Tampa to match, and would only take a 2nd rounder as compensation (as it's less than $4.227m aav). Make it a 4 year OS that takes him straight to UFA to make it worth it for Cernak to sign.

 

[AnimalMother73]

What I just saw against the Stars does not lead me to believe the solution is another small puck moving D that doesn’t play Defense very well. Let alone the fact that Krug would significantly limit roster flexibility moving forward. Dallas is where it is because they are big physical and really good at forechecking. Same w the Blues last year. If the Avs make moves they will be for bigger stronger players who excel at defense.

 

[dahrougem2]

Torey Krug isn't coming to Colorado so we can all stop with that. Sakic's smarter than that.

 

[Avsboy]

Krug would solidify the left side and provide a veteran presence. He would be Makar's partner. Then we can get rid of Cole, Zadorov and Graves with him, Byram and Timmins in. Use Graves as a 7D.

 

[Balthazar]

Krug would solidify the left side and provide a veteran presence. He would be Makar's partner. .

That seems unlikely. He's as small as Girard but not nearly as good defensively.

 

[Avs_19]

 

[hughdreamz]

Krug would solidify the left side and provide a veteran presence. He would be Makar's partner. Then we can get rid of Cole, Zadorov and Graves with him, Byram and Timmins in. Use Graves as a 7D.

I'm not a believer in the idea that the Avs need to get bigger after the Dallas series, but this would be running in the opposite direction which is an awful idea. If you lose Cole, Z, and Graves and replace them with Krug, Byram, and Timmins our D would take a HUGE step back. They'd get run over every night. Not just growing pains, but also no physicality.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

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#4 is available... just sayin'

 

[Papa Francouz]

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He’s too tan to play for the Avs