2019-20 San Diego Gulls

[WhatTheDuck]

I think the reason why Murray signed him to a multi year contract and also at an amount more than he deserves is to deter teams from selecting him via waivers. He doesn’t deserve more than 800k based on players like Bogosian making 1 million and guys like Irwin making 700k.

I hope Larsson is having an amazing offseason, but he hasn’t made big spurts in development since being drafted, maybe due to his major injury. Murray is banking on long term incremental improvement since he is still young and some dmen take longer to reach their potential. He’s better served being the top pair dman and developing as a 23 year old.

A good team wouldn’t have Larsson or Djoos as their top 4, but they should both be able to be very good bottoms pairing dmen.

Can you or anyone else who thinks Larsson is AHL bound, name one other instance where this team gave a young player a notable raise coming off their ELC and then immediately placed them on waivers and sent them down? If they weren't sold on him as an NHL player, he wouldn't be making 1.2M, would have been signed for something closer to his qualifying offer.

They may be willing to spend on the Gulls roster, but even the top guys they sign with intent to send to San Diego will be making around the NHL vet minimum. Larsson is being paid more than 50% more than that - there is no intention of sending him down.

Sorry but the "Murray gave him more money so he'd clear waivers" idea is pure conspiracy bullcrap. He's paid the fifth most among our D and slightly more than the other depth guys because he has proven himself more at the NHL level.

 

[cheesymc]

Can you or anyone else who thinks Larsson is AHL bound, name one other instance where this team gave a young player a notable raise coming off their ELC and then immediately placed them on waivers and sent them down? If they weren't sold on him as an NHL player, he wouldn't be making 1.2M, would have been signed for something closer to his qualifying offer.

They signed Larsson before Shatt and Curran. He will be still given every opportunity to be Djoos’ partner on the bottom pairing and has the inside track with Eakin. But if he ends up being the 7th dman he is better served in the minors building confidence. Financially it makes sense to have Hakanpaa in the AHL, and I think they are expecting that to be the case with Curran as the 7th dman. But if Larsson doesn’t impress, would you think him being the 7th dman builds his confidence and improved his tradeability?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

They signed Larsson before Shatt and Curran. He will be still given every opportunity to be Djoos’ partner on the bottom pairing and has the inside track with Eakin. But if he ends up being the 7th dman he is better served in the minors building confidence. Financially it makes sense to have Hakanpaa in the AHL, and I think they are expecting that to be the case with Curran as the 7th dman. But if Larsson doesn’t impress, would you think him being the 7th dman builds his confidence and improved his tradeability?

I'd much rather keep him as a 7th then expose him to waivers, shouldn't even have to ask.

People are undervaluing Larsson because he hasn't stood out as much as you'd hope from a 1st rounder. There were a lot of nights where you would barely notice he's in the lineup. What people are missing is that being able to quietly and efficiently eat minutes is exactly what you want out of your depth Dmen. If they aren't there to fill some sort of specialist role (physical, PP etc) then going unnoticed is actually a good thing, and it's clear Larsson has solidified himself as an NHL Dman in the eyes of management.

You are also incorrect on the signing dates by the way. Curran was signed months before the Larsson deal, though neither him nor Shattenkirk will be playing the same role as Larsson so the point was quite moot to begin with.

 

[duxfan1101]

I still don’t understand why everyone is assuming Curran starts in the NHL. He is waiver exempt and he hasn’t played on NA ice in years. Remember how bad Hakanpaa was at the start of last season? Curran is signed for 2 years, he has plenty of time to adjust.

 

[cheesymc]

Larsson has shown spurts of being a quality defender but his issue is with confidence and strength. He makes a bad mistake and it carries over to other games. Being on the bench would make it worse.

We don’t have to expose him in waivers if he starts in the AHL (if he can’t beat out Curran/Jani). I believe there are points during the season where we wouldn’t risk losing him when we call him up (All star break?). Anyhow, I doubt a team would pick him up anyway right now. Guys like Benning who just signed is a better player and is cheaper.

For our sake let’s hope he worked hard this super long offseason and plays confidently.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Larsson has shown spurts of being a quality defender but his issue is with confidence and strength. He makes a bad mistake and it carries over to other games. Being on the bench would make it worse.

We don’t have to expose him in waivers if he starts in the AHL (if he can’t beat out Curran/Jani). I believe there are points during the season where we wouldn’t risk losing him when we call him up (All star break?). Anyhow, I doubt a team would pick him up anyway right now. Guys like Benning who just signed is a better player and is cheaper.

For our sake let’s hope he worked hard this super long offseason and plays confidently.

We absolutely would have to expose him to waivers to send him down to start the season. He's no longer waiver exempt.

 

[cheesymc]

We absolutely would have to expose him to waivers to send him down to start the season. He's no longer waiver exempt.

Well if he doesn’t impress during preseason we won’t have to worry about losing him then.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Well if he doesn’t impress during preseason we won’t have to worry about losing him then.

He would have to be completely garbage in pre season (a huge step backward) to be waived and sent down, highly unlikely.

You were operating under the assumption he was SD bound, it's ok to admit you were likely wrong rather than clinging to it.

 

[cheesymc]

He would have to be completely garbage in pre season (a huge step backward) to be waived and sent down, highly unlikely.

You were operating under the assumption he was SD bound, it's ok to admit you were likely wrong rather than clinging to it.

I think it’s funny that you want to have the last comment on everything on this board. Typical armchair GM. A fan who thinks they have any real input to the team. Shall we appoint you as Murray’s replacement with your shrewd opinions?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I think it’s funny that you want to have the last comment on everything on this board. Typical armchair GM. A fan who thinks they have any real input to the team.

You have failed to properly answer any of my questions, have had every one of your arguments shot down and now resort to this petty crap because you're upset. It's ok to be wrong, there's no need to take it personally.

 

[cheesymc]

You have failed to properly answer any of my questions, have had every one of your arguments shot down and now resort to this petty crap because you're upset. It's ok to be wrong, there's no need to take it personally.

Based on Larsson’s play he deserves to be in the AHL. You care about the contract and dollars and draft pedigree and thinking he needs to be in the NHL. There is no argument on points of view.

Unfortunately there are petty posters like you who who think there’s only one “right” view and want to pat themselves on the back as if they are making decisions for the team. You prove my point in that it’s almost a guarantee that you can’t leave it as two viewpoints but need to continue to sound off. You’re like Trump, who thinks their opinion is right no matter the facts.

Everyone on this board, I nominate Heusy as the President of our boards. There is no point to post opinions since all we need is his posts to himself. He has announced the finalized depth chart and there is no point to post anything on this site moving forward as he will provide all projections.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Based on Larsson’s play he deserves to be in the AHL. You care about the contract and dollars and draft pedigree and thinking he needs to be in the NHL. There is no argument on points of view.

Unfortunately there are petty posters like you who who think there’s only one “right” view and want to pat themselves on the back as if they are making decisions for the team. You prove my point in that it’s almost a guarantee that you can’t leave it as two viewpoints but need to continue to sound off. You’re like Trump, who thinks their opinion is right no matter the facts.

Everyone on this board, I nominate Heusy as the President of our boards. There is no point to post opinions since all we need is his posts to himself.

That's your opinion of his play, I've very clear shown you that the team thinks a lot more of him than you do. Everything points to him being on the NHL roster moving forward, and you're only counter argument is basically "well I think he belongs in the AHL". Great, but if we are talking about reality, it's very unlikely that management actually waives him and sends him there, and at a certain point it gets annoying that you're too ignorant to acknowledge the facts above your own opinion.

If you can't show me one example of a young Ducks player getting a raise anywhere near that significant coming off an ELC before being immediately waived and sent down, then you really should have no problem admitting it's highly unlikely to happen with Larsson.

Just yesterday I learned I was wrong about Curran's waiver status. Didn't feel the need to fling any mud, just learned something new and moved on.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

People forget Larsson has serious injuries and missed allot of development time. If I remember correctly he had a skate cut through his Achilles‘ tendon and ended his season right after coming back from an ACL injury I think