2019-20 Roster Thread XIII: The Roster Molding Molds On

[achdumeingute]

Is Hayes trade protection only for 3 years (until the ED)?
I don’t like NTC and NMC even less but if it is limited to while he is still in his prime years that isn’t too bad.
Giroux’s next contract will be interesting. I believe his current ends in 2 years.

Hayes is nmc protected through the ED.

Couturier is the interesting contract in 3 years @ 30 years old.

 

[Skizwald]

Based on ‘level of competition’, this tournament and the WJC (non summer showcase) tournament is rated one of the toughest comp per skill level. Harder than the KHL, AHL, SHL, and so on. Don’t take any tournament with top tier prospects with a grain of salt just because we have some good ones in it.
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This came from 2014-2016... in that timeframe. NCAA definitely passed a bunch, and the WC gained ~.2 while the KHL fell and so did the SHL.

Seeing a playing, regardless if it’s a flyers prospect or not, do well shows how they handle tough competition.

I think you may be mixed up a little bit. The World Junior Championship isnt on this chart.

The World Championship, on this chart, is the IIHF World Championship for the senior players, and the World Cup was the tournament they held a couple years ago before the start of the season.


Currently the WJC summer showcase is going on, which isn't on the chart either.

I found the website this was from. They do mention that less NHL players play in the Olympics and World Championships, and that's why they are lower than the World Cup and NHL.

I do agree that tournaments like this do often show how well players play against harder competition.

 

[CapnZin]

I think you may be mixed up a little bit. The World Junior Championship isnt on this chart.

The World Championship, on this chart, is the IIHF World Championship for the senior players, and the World Cup was the tournament they held a couple years ago before the start of the season.


Currently the WJC summer showcase is going on, which isn't on the chart either.

I found the website this was from. They do mention that less NHL players play in the Olympics and World Championships, and that's why they are lower than the World Cup and NHL.

I do agree that tournaments like this do often show how well players play against harder competition.

The same person who did this website has it listed under further ones too. After a long time searching I found his site on reddit and he has the sequential ordering after 2016. To find the chart I went back to the site you referenced.

He does note that WJC and all is under the same IIHF standards.

 

[Skizwald]

The same person who did this website has it listed under further ones too. After a long time searching I found his site on reddit and he has the sequential ordering after 2016. To find the chart I went back to the site you referenced.

He does note that WJC and all is under the same IIHF standards.

Because of his mention of NHL players not playing in the WC, I incorrectly assumed he excluded the junior tournies.

He has some very interesting takes on NHL equivalency. I'll see if I can also find his Reddit.

Kind of funny that he uses Christian Folin as the example of how his algorithm is formed.

 

[CapnZin]

Because of his mention of NHL players not playing in the WC, I incorrectly assumed he excluded the junior tournies.

He has some very interesting takes on NHL equivalency. I'll see if I can also find his Reddit.

Kind of funny that he uses Christian Folin as the example of how his algorithm is formed.

If I had to guess, Folin was used as the example since he played in 10 different leagues. There must be a small population of NHL players to play in 10 leagues total.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Fwiw the Summer Showcase thus far has been pretty watered down so far. Canada hasn't played a game yet. US was running split squads. Sweden is relatively weak. Soderstrom is not playing. Boqvist is not playing. Sandin is not playing. Broberg has sat out. Lundkvist got hurt. Finland doesn't have Kakko. No Kupari. Heinola got hurt, etc.

It's more of a showcase of depth.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Fwiw the Summer Showcase thus far has been pretty watered down so far. Canada hasn't played a game yet. US was running split squads. Sweden is relatively weak. Soderstrom is not playing. Boqvist is not playing. Sandin is not playing. Broberg has sat out. Lundkvist got hurt. Finland doesn't have Kakko. No Kupari. Heinola got hurt, etc.

Canada has a lot of guys out too when they do get there. Ty Dellandrea, Barrett Hayton, Cole Fonstad, Dylan Cozens, Peyton Krebs, Noah Dobson, Jared McIsaac, & Ty Smith are all out. Some injury related & others seem to be related to chances of cracking an NHL roster.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Fwiw the Summer Showcase thus far has been pretty watered down so far. Canada hasn't played a game yet. US was running split squads. Sweden is relatively weak. Soderstrom is not playing. Boqvist is not playing. Sandin is not playing. Broberg has sat out. Lundkvist got hurt. Finland doesn't have Kakko. No Kupari. Heinola got hurt, etc.

It's more of a showcase of depth.

Isn’t it kinda always that way? Real games start later this week, or as “real” as the games get.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Isn’t it kinda always that way? Real games start later this week, or as “real” as the games get.

Kinda. But Sweden generally brings a stronger team to these things. Their last two age groups haven't been great. Arguably their two best skaters are 17 years old.

It seems like some are trying to take more from this than what it is.

 

[Rebels57]

 

[Striiker]

Must just be a coincidence. Defensive defensemen are there to prevent these types of things from happening.

Ghost and Sanheim are the ones who are liabilities in their own zone.

 

[dragonoffrost]

Must just be a coincidence. Defensive defensemen are there to prevent these types of things from happening.

Ghost and Sanheim are the ones who are liabilities in their own zone.

Also notice the top two mentioned are gone. Well one is gone and the other has no spot in the top 6.

 

[Starat327]

Must just be a coincidence. Defensive defensemen are there to prevent these types of things from happening.

Ghost and Sanheim are the ones who are liabilities in their own zone.

Its because Ghost and Sanheim were playing so poorly, Hart couldnt make the save. Doy.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Haag / Gudas, tough to assemble a worse pair in the whole NHL. God they were brutal

 

[Rich Nixon]

Can I just say I'm kinda happy the Flyers are big again. Not that it means anything, but over the last 13 months they've added Hayes, Braun, and JVR, plus Myers and Sanheim are now NHL regulars. That's five guys over 6'2" 200 that can all skate and generally do their jobs.

It doesn't count for anything, I was just very uncomfortable watching these meek little scrub squads the team was rolling out over the past few years.

EDIT: I KNEW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT HATCHER I KNEW IT.

 

[KrazyKat]

Can I just say I'm kinda happy the Flyers are big again. Not that it means anything, but over the last 13 months they've added Hayes, Braun, and JVR, plus Myers and Sanheim are now NHL regulars. That's five guys over 6'2" 200 that can all skate and generally do their jobs.

It doesn't count for anything, I was just very uncomfortable watching these meek little scrub squads the team was rolling out over the past few years.

EDIT: I KNEW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT HATCHER I KNEW IT.

I think we will see Morin in the mix too!
Also if Gabriel Or Aubé Kubel get playing time. They’re not small.

 

[FLYguy3911]

If Gabriel plays a game that will say a lot about where this season is headed.

 

[Striiker]

That will say a lot about where this team is headed in the Fletcher/AV era, not just the season.

There's simply no excuse. We have a full NHL roster and more than enough players in the AHL so that it never gets to that point.

 

[deadhead]

That's because injuries never happen.

Though I suspect Andreoff is more likely to play than Gabriel.
And if NAK can't beat both of them out he's finished in Philadelphia.

 

[Rebels57]

If Gabriel plays a game that will say a lot about where this season is headed.

I dont want him to play as much as anyone, but he wouldnt be the first scrub to get some games in on a good team. 35 year old Chris Thorburn managed to play a game for last years Cup champs, for example. It wont signify anything unless he is somehow a regular or even worse, becomes the next Tanner Glass.

 

[FLYguy3911]

The rim cleaning continues.

Might want to read up on why Thorburn played a game last year.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Can I just say I'm kinda happy the Flyers are big again. Not that it means anything, but over the last 13 months they've added Hayes, Braun, and JVR, plus Myers and Sanheim are now NHL regulars. That's five guys over 6'2" 200 that can all skate and generally do their jobs.

It doesn't count for anything, I was just very uncomfortable watching these meek little scrub squads the team was rolling out over the past few years.

EDIT: I KNEW YOU WOULD LIKE THAT HATCHER I KNEW IT.

It’s particularly noticeable in the playoffs. Size is far from the end-all, be-all. But it helps the board battles, & there are a lot of them.

 

[Rebels57]

The rim cleaning continues.

Might want to read up on why Thorburn played a game last year.

Not being fatalistic about every single hypothetical that gets spewed around here is rim cleaning?

I just said I dont want him to play. Hell I dont even want him on the Phantoms.

 

[onlylordsvsmorebp]

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Gabriel had 4 points last season in 22 games averaging 7:22.

Vorobyev 2 in 15 averaging 9:20.

NAK 0 in 9 averaging 5:35.

They all stink.

But I remember more about Gabriel taking runs at Flyers in one game than I recall about the impotent 24 games MV & NAK combined for in Flyers sweaters.