Speculation: 2019-20 Expected Blackhawks Roster Part 4 - To Eberle or Not to Eberle - that is the question..

[CallMeShaft]

Keith would be such a great addition to the Leafs. He really could win a Norris there next year and lead the Leafs to a Cup IMO. I hope the Hawks explore a trade for one of their forwards involving Keith. I wouldn’t mind keeping him, but it would be fun to see what he could do there and help us get a good young NHL player.

Keith in any other NHL jersey would make me vomit. He'll die retire a Hawk.

 

[clydesdale line]

Nylander was awful in playoffs the past two years

You're probably thinking of Kapanen who by all accounts has been a ghost. Nylander is one of the few who was actually noticeable.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

You're probably thinking of Kapanen who by all accounts has been a ghost. Nylander is one of the few who was actually noticeable.

If by noticeable you meant constantly being out of position and looking lost in both ends of ice , Then yeah that is Nylander

 

[nmgrbhfn]

If by noticeable you meant constantly being out of position and looking lost in both ends of ice , Then yeah that is Nylander

If Montreal traded their first round pick for Gus, who would you select with the Hawks two first round picks?

 

[clydesdale line]

If by noticeable you meant constantly being out of position and looking lost in both ends of ice , Then yeah that is Nylander

Shocking that you are arguing watching the game considering you look at stats to prove a point (which is much more your forte).

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Nylander stats don't support your argument anymore then my eyes

He was far from a playoff performer and his past season in Toronto was a complete disaster given costs , etc

I would take him and his contract only if price was reasonable. Any package that involves Boqvist , Joker , Beaudin and 1st round picks is non starter

Let someone else take Nylander who is and always has been overrated on HF

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

If Montreal traded their first round pick for Gus, who would you select with the Hawks two first round picks?

Hawks pick at #3 = Byram

Habs pick

Depending on if they are available

RW Cole Caufield
LW Arthur Kaliyev
C Ryan Suzuki
C Alex Newhook

In that order though I suspect Caufield will go top 10 and and at least one other on list will be gone at time Hawks pick

Every draft has faller (Like Teuvo for instance) so if someone like Vasili Podkolzin drops then you grab him

 

[nmgrbhfn]

Hawks pick at #3 = Byram

Habs pick

Depending on if they are available

RW Cole Caufield
LW Arthur Kaliyev
C Ryan Suzuki
C Alex Newhook

In that order though I suspect Caufield will go top 10 and and at least one other on list will be gone at time Hawks pick

Every draft has faller (Like Teuvo for instance) so if someone like Vasili Podkolzin drops then you grab him

Not second guessing you, just looking for opinion - why wouldn’t you take Turcotte with the Hawk’s first pick, and Broberg or Seider with the Hab’s pick?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Byram has far higher upside then Broberg and Seider IMO and is likely to be in NHL sooner. Also with Seider he is not a guy I would draft at #15 as he is someone who IMO should be a picked somewhere in late 1st round not and he is another RHD

With Keith turning 36 and our lack of top flight LHD getting Byram would be great get. And with Toews (31) and Strome (22) I don't see top 6 C as big a need for organization going forward at this point

Passing up Bryam would be mistake IMO. He has everything you desire for a modern #1

Also if Hawks did take Turcotte at #3 its very possible both Broberg and York (I like York much better then Seider) could be gone by #15 as we have seen in past runs on D. Look at last years draft when Hughes was picked and then several defenders went in next few picks. Hughes , Boqvist , Bouchard and Dobson all went in a 6 pick span

Same thing happened during 2017 draft when there was a run on defenders

Foote (#14)
Brannstrom (#15)
Valimaki (#16)
Lilegren (#17)
Vaakanainen (#18)

 

[nmgrbhfn]

Byram has far higher upside then Broberg and Seider IMO and is likely to be in NHL sooner. Also with Seider he is not a guy I would draft at #15 as he is someone who IMO should be a picked somewhere in late 1st round not and he is another RHD

With Keith turning 36 and our lack of top flight LHD getting Byram would be great get. And with Toews (31) and Strome (22) I don't see top 6 C as big a need for organization going forward at this point

Passing up Bryam would be mistake IMO. He has everything you desire for a modern #1

Also if Hawks did take Turcotte at #3 its very possible both Broberg and York (I like York much better then Seider) could be gone by #15 as we have seen in past runs on D. Look at last years draft when Hughes was picked and then several defenders went in next few picks. Hughes , Boqvist , Bouchard and Dobson all went in a 6 pick span

Same thing happened during 2017 draft when there was a run on defenders

Foote (#14)
Brannstrom (#15)
Valimaki (#16)
Lilegren (#17)
Vaakanainen (#18)

Your suggestion about trading for the Habs pick is very interesting, because I would prefer the Hawks develop through the draft. So I have a few more questions.

Do you think with Gus the habs are a playoff team? Bergevin has caught a lot of heat for his trades, but there the Habs were this year, just missing the playoffs. Does Gus move the needle for them, or is he a net zero - helping in some areas, hurting in others?

If the Habs wanted more than Gus to do the trade, how far would you go? Kahun? Sikura? Someone else not named Hayden?

If the trade did come off, who among the consensus 6 - 10 picks would you be hoping to fall into your lap? For example, Dach, Zegras, Krebs, Cozens or somebody else?

 

[clydesdale line]

BWC, your hate for Nylander and love for Kapanen is really weird.

 

[BK]

If by noticeable you meant constantly being out of position and looking lost in both ends of ice , Then yeah that is Nylander

No stats backup your claim on this at all. Check his corsi.

Nylander is a much better player than Kapanen.

Considering who I am asking, did you hate his father when he played here?

 

[u2wojo]

In a vacuum where team needs/composition, salary cap, role, etc. doesn't matter...yes Nylander is the better player and the guy you take given the choice between he and Kapanen if you are starting a team from scratch and have a choice of one of those two players. Nylander likely has better health and his shooting percentage probably rebounds back to norm and he is a 20-25 goal 60 point guy that plays center.

In the real Blackhawk world where Toews and Strome (unless you think last year was a mirage) seem to be penciled in as your top 2 centers going forward and you still have Anismov on the roster, the Hawks don't need a 7 million a year center. The Hawks need a right handed RW who is defensively responsible, kills penalties, has some grit that they can plug with DCat/Strome and Kapanen is a ridiculously good fit. Kapanen is not some huge physical presence, but with a lineup that has Kane, DCat, Kahun, maybe Sikura, Strome (who better be having a great offseason in the gym), and even Anisimov (despite his stature is a pretty nonphysical) he would add some grit. Hell, Kapanen's 92 hits would have had him 2nd among Hawk forwards last season. Kapanen at 3.5-4 million is a way better fit then Nylander at 7 when DCat and Stromme are likely sniffing that rate and adding to a pretty bloated forward group that already has 10.5, 10.5, 6, & 4.5 committed to 4 guys.

 

[migi]

Kubalik - Toews - Kane
DeBrincat - Strome - Marner
Saad - Kahun - Sikura
Caggiula - Kampf - Highmore
Wedin

Keith - Jokiharju
Byram - Murphy
Gustafsson - Seabrook

Let this happen bros!

 

[Taze em]

At this point I think it is bad asset management to keep Gus.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

At this point I think it is bad asset management to keep Gus.

Not only that, it's one more guy to protect in the expansion draft. Jokiharju and Gustafsson could get moved for that reason. Boqvist could end up in London again as well to avoid expansion draft issues.

 

[Kaners PPGs]

At this point I think it is bad asset management to keep Gus.

I have been saying this for a while. Either sign him to a 3-year deal in the 4-5 million range (unlikely he signs for that IMO) and draft Turcotte OR draft Byram and trade Gus for the best asset available. Assuming comparable usage as last year, he is going to ut up 55+ pts and price himself out of Chicago.

 

[ChicagoHockeyFan]

At this point I think it is bad asset management to keep Gus.

100% agree with this, His value is sky high right now and some team will give up a ton for him, if I was Stan I would be trying to make a team bite

 

[ColdSteel2]

100% agree with this, His value is sky high right now and some team will give up a ton for him, if I was Stan I would be trying to make a team bite

17 goals 60 points, teams are going to be all over that.

 

[southernbeardown54]

I’m just greatful no one on this board is the hawks gm

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I like Gus more than some of his detractors but his value is tough to nail down. If we got a top twenty pick for him I’d run to the podium screaming knowing we might be trading a late blooming offensive stud.

The craziest thing about him is that as great as his point shot is he defers too much and played opposite a truly elite triggerman I think he’d be even more valuable. Kane is a lot of things. Prolific point scorer isn’t one of them.

 

[borednow]

I anticipate the Hawks resigning Gus to a 5m AAV deal in the 5-6 year range (they like him a lot and he will want financial security after making peanuts during his career so far) and then protecting him, Keith, and Jokiharju in the expansion draft if nothing major changes. They're not just going to trade away one of their best defensemen until the kids are ready regardless if they take Byram, and as far as the expansion draft goes it makes the most sense to expose (or trade) Murphy because at that point he will only have 1 year left on his contract, so letting him go is smart asset management. This is of course assuming Seabrook's NMC isn't a problem in 2 years, one way or another, which I think is a reasonable assumption.

 

[ChiHawks10]

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Listen guys, I don't want to trade Jokiharju nor do I think they should, but they might have no choice unless they buy out Seabrook.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Listen guys, I don't want to trade Jokiharju nor do I think they should, but they might have no choice unless they buy out Seabrook.

Why would they have no choice?