Blue Jays GDT: 2018 v3| Next: Wed, Sept 5| vs TB| 7pm ET/4pm PT | Glasnow vs Sanchez

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The Nemesis

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Overall I don't think Buck is too bad but don't really care for Tabby. I think Dan and Buck is a really good combo. I mean when the team is pretty bad and you have to listen to the same guys every night you likely aren't gonna like them after awhile. I think 98% of sports casters say a lot of dumb stuff and when you hear them all the time it just snowballs. With 162 games in a season (minus facebook) you are going to hear a lot of random stories no matter who is in the both, Let's face it, as much as we love the game, there is a lot of gaps in the action in baseball and you can't only talk about what is happening on the field at the moment.

I don't get sick of the Raptors broadcasters. Nor do I with the Sharks. Yes it's half the # of games, but it doesn't take nearly that long for Buck and Pat to grate on my nerves

And it's not about what they talk about with gaps in the action. It's specifically the things that tend to get harped at on here, which led to the creation of the drinking game:

1) Their tendency to staunchly resist any kind of new advances or changes in how the game is played or analyzed (anti-stats (except the ones they like, such as wins) bias, dislike of shifts, constant complaints about pitch counts, smallball, etc) This is the biggest one and it's getting worse as time goes on.

2) the empty, mean-nothing bits of non-analysis (calling people "a baseball player", he's "a winner", and other baseless circular arguments that don't really say anything of value)

3) the fact that they often seem to be confused by, mistaken about, or oblivious to whatever's happening on the field far more often than they should (example, the other day someone (I think Biagini?) gave up a HR and Tabler was breaking it down. Over the multiple replays he kept going on and on about how it was a 4-seam fastball left up and talked about what the 4-seamer behaves like and how that contributed to the HR and so forth even though multiple replays showed clearly that it was a 2-seamer. Something that even this non-baseball-player who's sitting in a chair watching the game on TV picked up on and understood). This also extends to the fact that Buck has now been a play-by-play guy for however many years it's been and he still can't tell whether a ball is going to be a HR or a weak fly-out that dies 15 feet before the warning track.

4) The times they tend to repeat one another's points as if they aren't listening to each other or even actually having a conversation ("The last time X hit a home run was <date>", 30 seconds later from Tabler: "You know it's been since <date> that X has gone without a home run."


Buck was good as a color guy in his TSN days, but he's not meant for play-by-play. I would kill for Dan & Siddall to partner for an entire season. I loved or liked most of the earlier color guys they've had at various points in the intervening years between Dan & Buck on TSN and now (even Darren Fletcher. who, in spite of my earlier invocation of his name in terms of broadcasting nadir, was actually entertaining). The problem we have right now is that we have a color guy who wants to chat about stuff doing play-by-play and a color guy who doesn't know what's going on providing nothing to color the broadcast.

Just as a secondary example, when they had the guys in the booth yesterady visiting, Winfield knew well enough to be quiet when action was happening so that the other two could call the play, and instead of Buck & Pat picking up on that, it went dead silent.

Is it perhaps a slightly overblown concern? Yeah. Does it ruin my desire to watch Blue Jays games? not really. Half the time I try not to listen too hard to the commentary anyway. But I feel like they could very easily do better.
 
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stickty111

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One of my fav prospects, as I have been tracking SRF for some time.
It should be nice watching his debut.
 

stickty111

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Even though he hasn't pitched yet I would much rather watch SRF start than see Clippard starting.
Obviously no debate their.
One thing im confused about is potential. What do you think?

Highest upside: #2
More reasonable: #3

Assuming he does well
 

Cloned

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Not sure if this ump’s tight strike zone is a good or bad thing for the Jays tonight.
 

The Nemesis

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For those of you following along at home, I hope you remembered to drink in the first inning when Buck referenced George Brett. Remember that because this is a KC game that's only worth 2 drinks, not a "finish your drink" item :sarcasm:
 

Loosie

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I hate to say this but SRF has not looked great. There has been some decent stuff but overall not too good. I'd chalk it up to nerves. I'm waiting to pass full judgment, I just hope they didn't call him up too soon.

I guess you have to do it sometime and can't just wait forever. The previous inning could have been a lot worse than it was, and they had a good point too that if this was in Toronto it would be a lot worse as a lot of those long deep fly balls would have been HRs.

Still...he's young and has lots of time to acclimatize to the majors.
 
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