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They did it because people were annoyed about Edmonton winning too many.
Yeah, and thus hurting deserving teams for years to come. :/
They did it because people were annoyed about Edmonton winning too many.
Yeah, and thus hurting deserving teams for years to come. :/
That's a bad way of looking at things. Teams like us literally CAN'T win more because our rosters have too many holes. We need top 3 picks to actually have a chance at being good again.Teams shouldn't be rewarded so much for stinking anyway. If anything, teams that barely missed out on the playoffs should get the highest picks. This way everybody has an incentive to win till the very end.
So just award picks in the order of the standings of teams that missed the playoffs.
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 2nd, 2nd, 5th
But you're saying this because we're in this position this year. Strictly from a fairness standpoint teams shouldn't be rewarded so much for stinking. Just think of all the picks Edmonton got recently. Or think of how Pittsburgh ends up with Crosby and co because they were bad.That's a bad way of looking at things. Teams like us literally CAN'T win more because our rosters have too many holes. We need top 3 picks to actually have a chance at being good again.
But you're saying this because we're in this position this year. Strictly from a fairness standpoint teams shouldn't be rewarded so much for stinking. Just think of all the picks Edmonton got recently. Or think of how Pittsburgh ends up with Crosby and co because they were bad.
I understand how we don't want a franchise to get stuck in the basement forever and eventually fold, but in my scheme all teams missing the playoffs would still draft ahead of the ones who make it. But I still want to reward the attempt to make the playoffs and competing till the end of the season.
But you're saying this because we're in this position this year. Strictly from a fairness standpoint teams shouldn't be rewarded so much for stinking. Just think of all the picks Edmonton got recently. Or think of how Pittsburgh ends up with Crosby and co because they were bad.
I understand how we don't want a franchise to get stuck in the basement forever and eventually fold, but in my scheme all teams missing the playoffs would still draft ahead of the ones who make it. But I still want to reward the attempt to make the playoffs and competing till the end of the season.
Yeah, that to me makes zero sense. Bottom 5 teams can all easily move down 3 spots which is just dumb. NHL math "wiz" can go F himself.
First try today... Yesterday there were too many negative ions mingled with the gravitronsYou're bad luck for us.
Yeah, not very accurate...Basically if Buffalo is anywhere in the top-3, we automatically move to a 4th overall pick.
No, I don't like the lottery system, because you don't know anymore what you need to do in order to get a high pick.Well in that case the current system is perfect for you, because there's a good chance at least one team from the middle of the pack will get a top-3 pick, if not more.
I just can't vouch for a lottery system in which we could end with a top-3 draft order of Florida, Edmonton and New York(for example).
No, I don't like the lottery system, because you don't know anymore what you need to do in order to get a high pick.
Before the lottery system, the incentive was to tank. In the current system, it's *insert shrug emoji*. In my system, the incentive is to play hard till the end of the season.
In my system, Edmonton doesn't get all those top picks.
Why should a team be rewarded for being badly assembled? How is that fair? Sports is supposed to be a meritocracy. Maybe the last meritocracy we have.If a team is legitimately bad with numerous holes on the roster, they absolutely should get a top pick.
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I don't like the current system either. It is injecting artificial excitement with no basis in merit.The danger in the system right now, is a near-dynasty team like Chicago has the chance to get first overall simply because they overpaid a couple of their stars and had their goalie out with injury for a fluke poor season.
Sure, but the difference being that we're talking about SPORTS here, not social justice. We want the best, the most talented, the hardest working, to be rewarded.Yeah but this is like the regressive taxation argument (“if we tax people less as they make more money then they are incentivized to work harder and make more money”).
The reality is that this leads to stratification, and truly awful teams will remain awful as there is no mechanism for them to improve via the draft.
Step outside the American pro sports, and you'll see that everywhere else, if your soccer/basketball/... team sucks, well... it is RELEGATED, not REWARDED. Sure, it creates that stratification (it's always Man U, Bayern, Real Madrid winning), but it also makes the cinderella stories (Leicester) more intense.
I want my team to win because it earned it, not because it stunk for X years and ended up drafting Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Staal, etc.
Seriously. The Sens just aren't supposed to win nothing. I ran it 10 times had 1st, 2 2nd's and a bunch of 4th's & 5th's.4th, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 5th, 2nd, 2nd, 5th
I acknowledged as much in my own post.The NHL has no economic incentive for the league to implement relegation, and economics are what drives NA pro sports.
The salary cap creates parity. Giving picks in priority to teams missing the playoffs creates parity. I'm only arguing against too much artificial parity.What is best for the league, economically, is to be in the largest markets and have relative parity among those teams. The lottery helps create that parity.
(I don't know who debunked this because it sounds absurd to me, but I'll play along) Well then great! Get rid of the lottery!This narrative has been debunked plenty of times. Winning the lottery does not guarantee success. If it did, Edmonton would be a perennial contender by now.
Yeah, not very accurate...
Winning the draft and building a contender are 2 different things and only competent management can bring those things together. Edmonton's was trying to recreate the Oilers of the 80's and ended up locking up players to crazy contrats before they needed to thus not allowing them to build a contender. They thought they were smart and in the end they handcuffed themselves. It is actually the Oilers of the 80's who have destroyed the team todayThe NHL has no economic incentive for the league to implement relegation, and economics are what drives NA pro sports.
What is best for the league, economically, is to be in the largest markets and have relative parity among those teams. The lottery helps create that parity.
This narrative has been debunked plenty of times. Winning the lottery does not guarantee success. If it did, Edmonton would be a perennial contender by now.