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[BlueForever75]

I don't understand the obsession with Myers also. He is definitely worse then Gardiner when it comes to the style of hockey the Leafs will be playing next season.

The goal for Dubas should be to sign another aging dman like Hamhuis or Orpik to plug into our lineup for this coming season. I wouldn't trade assets for one and it definitely should not be Gardiner. As much of a bad game he had in game 7 against the Bruins, it would be a colossal mistake to trade him.

He's a possession dman that can get out of the defensive zone and make crisp passes to our wingers and centers that are very skilled. Gardiner's struggles last season had as much to do with Zaitsev's injury and ineffectiveness at times then it had to do with his play alone.

I wouldn't trade Gardiner.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Hot Take.

The Sens should just tell Tampa Bay if they want Karlsson, it will take Sergachev, a 1st and a 2nd.

Leave Ryan out of it, don’t try and push them more, just let them sit on it.

Same with Dallas. Heiskanen, 1st and a 2nd.

Get that young, stud d-man, and a couple picks, and put the Karlsson era behind you

That tampa deal is awful for the sens. A late first a late second and a good prospect for arguably a top 5 player in the league. Would you accept that? That's m0re of a deal if they take Ryan as well.

 

[Morgs]

too many have blinders for "RHD" not every RHD is a fit for what we need. Faulk is a huge no for me barely a top4 D and Myers is a little more interesting but there is a serious injury history

Faulk is arguably a top-pairing guy, whereas Myers is barely a top-4D.

But other than that I agree. Trading Gardiner for either one is dumb.

 

[ACC1224]

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.....I hate summer

Blasphemy

In my dreams Dubas takes the stage and announces matching 8x8 contracts for all 3 young stars.

Must be dreaming, in the real world why would Matthews give part of his salary to Nylander?
While 24 for the 3 would be great, it would be more like 10, 7.5, 6.5.
Probably comes in as slightly more combined though.

 

[Mess]

Report: Stars the favourite again for Karlsson



Erik Karlsson may not be bound for the Sunshine state after all. According to Larry Brooks of the New York Post, trade talks between the Tampa Bay Lightning and Ottawa Senators "have subsided" and the Dallas Stars are now once again the favourite to land the star defenceman.

 

[showtime8]

Leivo brings the same sort of dynamic. He's not going to drop the gloves that often (nor will Grundstrom), but he's not afraid to play physical or get into the dirty areas. He will lay out hits and uses his size about as effectively as you would hope for a skilled player. At 6'2", 210lbs, he's not exactly lacking the size for that either.

I really think the only reason why people are so against Leivo is because Babcock refused to play him for two years when there was not much room for him. However whenever he did play, he has always been one of the better forwards, and was always one of the better forwards on the Marlies too. There is no reason to not like him, and I am not sure why Babcock would not use him now when he would fill the hole in the top 12 perfectly. Plus I doubt there is anyone on our current roster who is anywhere near as good as him in front of the net. He's like Hyman with real hands and offensive skill, but does not play PK or work as hard (because I do not know many NHL forwards who do).

I don't believe that people dislike Leivo. I think it's more about seeing the writing on the wall with him when it comes to him being in the line-up. Johnsson comes up at the end of the season and remains in the line-up over Leivo, who has been there the entire year.

That's basically where I stand with the Leivo front. He's going to have the same opportunity as the other forwards with the departure of JVR, but it just seems like he's fighting an uphill battle because Babcock doesn't believe that his compete level is there all the time.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't understand the obsession with Myers also. He is definitely worse then Gardiner when it comes to the style of hockey the Leafs will be playing next season.

The goal for Dubas should be to sign another aging dman like Hamhuis or Orpik to plug into our lineup for this coming season. I wouldn't trade assets for one and it definitely should not be Gardiner. As much of a bad game he had in game 7 against the Bruins, it would be a colossal mistake to trade him.

He's a possession dman that can get out of the defensive zone and make crisp passes to our wingers and centers that are very skilled. Gardiner's struggles last season had as much to do with Zaitsev's injury and ineffectiveness at times then it had to do with his play alone.

I wouldn't trade Gardiner.

Either sign Gards to an extension, trade him or risk losing him for nothing next July 1st. The last option will piss off many posters on this board.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't believe that people dislike Leivo. I think it's more about seeing the writing on the wall with him when it comes to him being in the line-up. Johnsson comes up at the end of the season and remains in the line-up over Leivo, who has been there the entire year.

That's basically where I stand with the Leivo front. He's going to have the same opportunity as the other forwards with the departure of JVR, but it just seems like he's fighting an uphill battle because Babcock doesn't believe that his compete level is there all the time.

Agree but there were a couple of vets who's compete level was not much better than Leivo's and they were never benched. IMO the only way Leivo forces Babs to play him is to score right off the bat and score consistently and/or crash and bang night in an night out. Kevin Pillar was in a similar situation with Gibby and he won Gibby over.

 

[BlueForever75]

Either sign Gards to an extension, trade him or risk losing him for nothing next July 1st. The last option will piss off many posters on this board.

How about we start the season with him, hope his value to the team increases. Try to sign to an extension, if it doesn't work then deal him at deadline. In the end I think that Zaitsev should be shopped prior to him as his cap hit for the next 6 seasons can be put towards other priorities. If there is a way to rid yourself of Zaitsev I would aim for that first and then attempt to resign Gardiner.

 

[Daisy Jane]

How about we start the season with him, hope his value to the team increases. Try to sign to an extension, if it doesn't work then deal him at deadline. In the end I think that Zaitsev should be shopped prior to him as his cap hit for the next 6 seasons can be put towards other priorities. If there is a way to rid yourself of Zaitsev I would aim for that first and then attempt to resign Gardiner.

and why would the team, who would more than likely challenging for the division title (again), trade someone off their roster at the deadline that's helping them go? you need to make a decision before the season starts, not 1/3rd before it ends.

 

[ShaneFalco]

How about we start the season with him, hope his value to the team increases. Try to sign to an extension, if it doesn't work then deal him at deadline.

Then it will be JVR all over again - "can't trade him now it will make the team worse" yada yada yada

 

[rumman]

Then it will be JVR all over again - "can't trade him now it will make the team worse" yada yada yada

I'm sure Dubas won't make the same mistake Lou did in regards to letting impending UFA's walk for nothing.

 

[SprDaVE]

Kucherov just signed an 8 year extension with the Lightning.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'm sure Dubas won't make the same mistake Lou did in regards to letting impending UFA's walk for nothing.

I don't think so either which is why they are apparently negotiating now
I don't think they ever intended to re-sign JVR

 

[BlueForever75]

I believe they are already talking extension with Gardiner. Trying to gauge where his head is at. If it doesn't fit into the overall plan after signing Tavares, then he will be dealt. Ultimately all 4 of Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Gardiner will need to take less as Tavares did to come home to allow of a dynasty to take place. If any one of them are going to play hardball, then it would mean they are gone. I don't anticipate Matthews and Marner being an issue considering they are under Marleau's wing and he will help sell the concept of team to them. But Nylander and Gardiner may be difficult. Nylanders father was always a selfish player when in the league. Constant salary issues in the past with his teams. Wouldn't be surprised to see his son do the same.

 

[ACC1224]

I'm sure Dubas won't make the same mistake Lou did in regards to letting impending UFA's walk for nothing.

Assuming of course that they consider that "a mistake".

 

[Trapper]

Then it will be JVR all over again - "can't trade him now it will make the team worse" yada yada yada

100 point playoff teams don't trade UFAs at the deadline.

 

[ULF_55]

I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised with the defense this year.

I speculate Hainsey is going to be dropped down the line-up and become more a PK specialist or taken off the PK so he doesn't burn out by end of December.

IMO one better RHD can change everything, and it doesn't have to be a big name, could be Holl, or Ozhiganov, or maybe even Liljegren.

Maybe the Leafs could take Stralman off the Lightning hands to help land Karlsson?

 

[Daisy Jane]

I don't think so either which is why they are apparently negotiating now
I don't think they ever intended to re-sign JVR

I don't think so either. according to Bozak they were both thinking he'd be the fall back if they didn't get Tavares, but the later it got, they both made the decision he needed to go . (again, i know people have their Bozak issues, but i kinda wish we kept him somehow. but ah well)

 

[Stand Witness]

Kucherov signs for 8 yrs at 9.5M, RFA. Just scored 100 pts. He is a winger but getting paid more than Stamkos.

This should keep Matthews in that 11M range, brings down Marners leverage by A LOT. This is perfect for us.

 

[BlueForever75]

Kucherov just signed an 8 year extension with the Lightning.

I don't understand how the Lightening are going to be able to pay all of these players what they are long term. They have Stamkos, Hedman, McDonaugh, and not Kucherov on very long contracts. Add that to JT miller just signing over 5 million a season. They already have Tyler Johnson also signed long term as well to a large cap hit!!!

Something has got to give considering they still need to sign Point, Gourde, Sergachev, and Vaselvyski to large contracts as well. How they are going to do this I don't know.

Its not like the Leafs, once you get Matthews, Marner and Nylander out of the way....they have players like Hyman, Kapanen, Brown, Johnsson, Kadri, Reilly, Dermott and Andersen all signed to lower contracts. Point and Vaselvyski are going to need to get paid off of their seasons last season not to mention their growth this coming season. Not sure how they are going to do that.

 

[SprDaVE]

I think we are going to be pleasantly surprised with the defense this year.

I speculate Hainsey is going to be dropped down the line-up and become more a PK specialist or taken off the PK so he doesn't burn out by end of December.

IMO one better RHD can change everything, and it doesn't have to be a big name, could be Holl, or Ozhiganov, or maybe even Liljegren.

Maybe the Leafs could take Stralman off the Lightning hands to help land Karlsson?

Sort of like how Martin and Komarov trailed off from the roster when better and younger players started to emerge.

I expect Carrick to take a bigger role. I think Babcock really liked Holl, so I'd expect him to have a role as well.

 

[SprDaVE]

I don't understand how the Lightening are going to be able to pay all of these players what they are long term. They have Stamkos, Hedman, McDonaugh, and not Kucherov on very long contracts. Add that to JT miller just signing over 5 million a season. They already have Tyler Johnson also signed long term as well to a large cap hit!!!

Something has got to give considering they still need to sign Point, Gourde, Sergachev, and Vaselvyski to large contracts as well. How they are going to do this I don't know.

Its not like the Leafs, once you get Matthews, Marner and Nylander out of the way....they have players like Hyman, Kapanen, Brown, Johnsson, Kadri, Reilly, Dermott and Andersen all signed to lower contracts. Point and Vaselvyski are going to need to get paid off of their seasons last season not to mention their growth this coming season. Not sure how they are going to do that.

You pay your elite talent, trade the secondary talent and replace them with cheaper and younger alternatives.

They have almost 25M tied to Callahan, Johnson, Miller, Killorn and Palat. Trade a couple of them for picks and prospects, you're basically recycling your depth over and over. This is exactly what the Hawks did for so long and did it almost perfectly.

 

[Stand Witness]

I don't understand how the Lightening are going to be able to pay all of these players what they are long term. They have Stamkos, Hedman, McDonaugh, and not Kucherov on very long contracts. Add that to JT miller just signing over 5 million a season. They already have Tyler Johnson also signed long term as well to a large cap hit!!!

Something has got to give considering they still need to sign Point, Gourde, Sergachev, and Vaselvyski to large contracts as well. How they are going to do this I don't know.

Its not like the Leafs, once you get Matthews, Marner and Nylander out of the way....they have players like Hyman, Kapanen, Brown, Johnsson, Kadri, Reilly, Dermott and Andersen all signed to lower contracts. Point and Vaselvyski are going to need to get paid off of their seasons last season not to mention their growth this coming season. Not sure how they are going to do that.

Thats a good problem to have. When the young guys start outproducing the secondary (quality players) you move them our for futures and let the young guys take over. Basically only your core stays until a young guy potentially makes them a secondary piece.

Its beautiful to watch over the years tbh.

 

[BlueForever75]

Kucherov signs for 8 yrs at 9.5M, RFA. Just scored 100 pts. He is a winger but getting paid more than Stamkos.

This should keep Matthews in that 11M range, brings down Marners leverage by A LOT. This is perfect for us.

I don't understand how Matthews can ask for more then Stamkos or Kucherov??? Both of these players are established and top performers. Yes Matthews is good, but I do not put him at the same level as McDavid just yet. He needs to prove himself. I would think that Matthews slots in between what Stamkos gets and what Kucherov just signed for. That's the way it should be.

Only contract that really makes it difficult is the contract that Buffalo got raped on with Eichel. This will make negotiations very difficult.