Line Combos: 2018 -2019 Line/D Pairing discussions & proposals

[PB37]

please be objective....

yes that (Marchand Bergeron Pasta) line is solid and speedy. But in terms of creativity factor and possession on the offensive end, this new Marchand Krejci Pasta line is better

this said...both are nice, but there is only one Marchand Pasta

And Krejci has been mediocre with other wingers...

You can't tell me to drop Krejci now, while he is hot since 2011

So I need to be objective when the rest of the hockey world calls Marchand -- Bergeron -- Pasta one of if not the best line the league. Ok!

 

[rocketdan9]

So I need to be objective when the rest of the hockey world calls Marchand -- Bergeron -- Pasta one of if not the best line the league. Ok!

that was last season

And that title was made up by Bruins fans (though many other non fans agree it was a top calibre line)

So what is Marchand Krejci Pasta line .... small potatoes? Since its creation it has been one of the top lines in the league.... look at their stat totals (each player)

again ... look either way you can't lose

but you likely lose more (out of Krejci) by dropping him than by dropping Bergeron... you afraid Bergeron play will suffer?

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

that was last season

And that title was made up by Bruins fans (though many other non fans agree it was a top calibre line)

So what is Marchand Krejci Pasta line .... small potatoes? Since its creation it has been one of the top lines in the league.... look at their stat totals (each player)

again ... look either way you can't lose

but you likely lose more (out of Krejci) by dropping him than by dropping Bergeron... you afraid Bergeron play will suffer?

I won’t debate on which first line is better.... cause it is a non issue discussion. i don’t see the game your way. But both line are very good.

But answering your allegations on who was saying the Bergeron Pastrnak and Marchand line was either the best and/or was in the mix of the NHL best line...well everyone. TSN, Sportsnet, RDS...Etc..

The only reason to split the PB, BM and DP despite their success on a stretch of more than a year over the last 10 games with DK centering that unit is because you beleive Bergeron can succeed where DK did struggle and Boston will be better. If not the case, then their is no logic other than you just want to prove your point that Bergeron might struggle as did DK did on the second line. If the case, nothing logical to defend, it is robbing Paul for Peter.... but does not make the Bruins better.

If you want to have 2 top lines, you need to split them, One with PB and the other with DK, add depth with a top 6 winger and/or hope Kids will complete those lines perfectly which i think they might do.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

that was last season

And that title was made up by Bruins fans (though many other non fans agree it was a top calibre line)

So what is Marchand Krejci Pasta line .... small potatoes? Since its creation it has been one of the top lines in the league.... look at their stat totals (each player)

again ... look either way you can't lose

but you likely lose more (out of Krejci) by dropping him than by dropping Bergeron... you afraid Bergeron play will suffer?

stat totals pale in comparison and the eye test comes up short for people with more than a 2 week retention ability

there might be an argument that can be made that we shouldn't keep our top 3 players on 1 line... but to say krecji makes the line stronger or even close to as strong as Bergeron... that's nutty

its bizzare and I cant read it without having to comment how bizzare it is

 

[Dizzay]

Debrusk-Bergy-Pasta
Marshy-Krejci-Heinen
Donato-JFK-Backes
Wagner-Kuraly-Nordstrom

 

[GoBs]

Accari has been good centering that 4th line. I think its time for Danato to head back to Providence. Most of his ice time is on the power play and I am not not sure of his role there.

 

[13Hockey]

JFK and Donato to Providence
Smith Recalled

Marchand Bergeron DeBrusk
Heinen Krejci Pastrnak
Nordstrom Cave Backes
Kuraly Acciari Wagner
Smith

Swap Jake and Pasta if lines are struggling

 

[DKH]

So I need to be objective when the rest of the hockey world calls Marchand -- Bergeron -- Pasta one of if not the best line the league. Ok!

Depends definition of best line

Points vs 3 zone

The old Bergeron line is no brainer best 200 foot line in hockey

The Line has potentially 3 HOF quality players in their prime

No other line is even close

 

[DKH]

I was watching Marchand last night and there is no one really ever like him. Yvan Cournoyer was similarly skilled but was Lady Bynge game.

The 4 seats in back of me are owned by a ticket agency so we often get out of towners and the most comments are mostly about Marchand and it usually ends up a combination of disdain and awe.

Marchand is going to go down as a comparison player for generations.

I’ve told non hockey friends to just watch him for entertainment and they are never disappointed

Orr
Neely
Marchand

Three unique players that there are few comparable players when I’ve watched a game

Last night he loses a glove and ends up getting a slashing minor penalty for chopping the opponent in the wrist - that’s Marchand

 

[Mainehockey33]

The top line with Krejci on it is the most dangerous a Bruin line has looked since either Lucic-Krejci-Horton or Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin. Who cares if Bergeron is a little better defensively when the team was having trouble scoring goals?

 

[neelynugs]

I was watching Marchand last night and there is no one really ever like him. Yvan Cournoyer was similarly skilled but was Lady Bynge game.

The 4 seats in back of me are owned by a ticket agency so we often get out of towners and the most comments are mostly about Marchand and it usually ends up a combination of disdain and awe.

Marchand is going to go down as a comparison player for generations.

I’ve told non hockey friends to just watch him for entertainment and they are never disappointed

Orr
Neely
Marchand

Three unique players that there are few comparable players when I’ve watched a game

Last night he loses a glove and ends up getting a slashing minor penalty for chopping the opponent in the wrist - that’s Marchand

i always liked the linseman comparison but marchand is better

 

[LSCII]

The top line with Krejci on it is the most dangerous a Bruin line has looked since either Lucic-Krejci-Horton or Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin. Who cares if Bergeron is a little better defensively when the team was having trouble scoring goals?

Marchand Pasta Bergeron is a far more dangerous line than Marchand and Pasta with DK. They've been good, but not nearly as consistent as with Bergy. The reason being is that those guys can turn their defense into offense in a second. Far more dangerous because of that threat.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Marchand Pasta Bergeron is a far more dangerous line than Marchand and Pasta with DK. They've been good, but not nearly as consistent as with Bergy. The reason being is that those guys can turn their defense into offense in a second. Far more dangerous because of that threat.

If I knew where to find the stats I would, but that line with Bergeron wasn’t scoring 5 on 5 for awhile before Bergeron got injured. All their points came on the PP. Not only does it give the team a more potant, creative 5 on 5 scoring line, but it gives Debrusk and whoever a center that matches their uptempo game better.

 

[BadBruins]

Bergeron was tied for 2nd in the league in scoring at the time he got injured.... Pastrnak was leading the league in goals. I don't know how people can sit there and actually suggest this is some new height reached by the top line...

I'm all for trying anything that could balance the offense though. Those three are still a great combo on the PP. Emphasis still on getting a #3C and top-6 winger. I'm torn as to which is more important.

 

[Tampbear]

So we have arguably 6 NHL LD right now, with Chara, Krug, Gryz, Moore, Vaak, and Lauzon. What is the best plan of action going forward? Should we keep all the D for this season and worry about thinning the ranks out in the summer or should we use some of them to upgrade the offense right now? Who should we trade and who should we count on as core members going forward? Finally if we are trading them should we target NHL ready young forwards, young centers with potential, draft picks, or grizzled vets in their prime?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

So we have arguably 6 NHL LD right now, with Chara, Krug, Gryz, Moore, Vaak, and Lauzon. What is the best plan of action going forward? Should we keep all the D for this season and worry about thinning the ranks out in the summer or should we use some of them to upgrade the offense right now? Who should we trade and who should we count on as core members going forward? Finally if we are trading them should we target NHL ready young forwards, young centers with potential, draft picks, or grizzled vets in their prime?

defensemen are like pitchers in baseball...as soon as you think you have too many, go get a few more.

2 years ago 6 defensemen are out injured in the playoffs
last year, 4 were out

 

[Chief Nine]

So we have arguably 6 NHL LD right now, with Chara, Krug, Gryz, Moore, Vaak, and Lauzon. What is the best plan of action going forward? Should we keep all the D for this season and worry about thinning the ranks out in the summer or should we use some of them to upgrade the offense right now? Who should we trade and who should we count on as core members going forward? Finally if we are trading them should we target NHL ready young forwards, young centers with potential, draft picks, or grizzled vets in their prime?

Well since we've gone almost halfway through the season without all of them being healthy wouldn't it make sense to stand pat?

 

[Tampbear]

defensemen are like pitchers in baseball...as soon as you think you have too many, go get a few more.

2 years ago 6 defensemen are out injured in the playoffs
last year, 4 were out

Well sure, but we also only have 4 guys that can drive offense up front. We were struggling to score with everyone healthy, with Bergeron down we can barely manage better than a goal a game. Having all of these D is nice assuming we have the firepower to compliment them.

 

[Tampbear]

Well since we've gone almost halfway through the season without all of them being healthy wouldn't it make sense to stand pat?

Again, an argument can certainly be made. But we are getting healthier and healthier and we don't have anywhere close to that kind of assurance with our forwards. If we lost say Bergeron and Pasternak we would pretty much be done. Right now we can lose Chara and Carlo, trade Vaak and still have a serviceable D for this season (not advocating to trade Vaak just making a point). For as unlucky as we have been with D we have been equally lucky with the health of our forwards.

 

[rocketdan9]

So we have arguably 6 NHL LD right now, with Chara, Krug, Gryz, Moore, Vaak, and Lauzon. What is the best plan of action going forward? Should we keep all the D for this season and worry about thinning the ranks out in the summer or should we use some of them to upgrade the offense right now? Who should we trade and who should we count on as core members going forward? Finally if we are trading them should we target NHL ready young forwards, young centers with potential, draft picks, or grizzled vets in their prime?

If something comes up, make the trade to balance

but otherwise this team has been hit with the injury bug 2-3 seasons now/playoffs

next season I have a feeling the D core will look kind of different than projected at the beginning of this season

 

[wintersej]

So we have arguably 6 NHL LD right now, with Chara, Krug, Gryz, Moore, Vaak, and Lauzon. What is the best plan of action going forward? Should we keep all the D for this season and worry about thinning the ranks out in the summer or should we use some of them to upgrade the offense right now? Who should we trade and who should we count on as core members going forward? Finally if we are trading them should we target NHL ready young forwards, young centers with potential, draft picks, or grizzled vets in their prime?

Just because some of these guys CAN play NHL minutes doesn't mean they HAVE TO right now. None of the young D force the Bruins hand like McAvoy or Carlo have in the past.

Vaak will need some more time in Providence once his head is working again. Next year I suspect he will be pushing for a job, but no rush.

Lauzon WAS FINE in his call up, but by no means did he force his way onto the roster. Looks like he COULD be a nice 2nd pairing guy someday, and could play bottom pairing today, or harder minutes in the AHL. Needs to improve his puck moving.

And don't sleep on Zboril.

For next season, you absolutely COULD maintain the status quo and let Vaak, Zboril and Lauzon marinate another year. And when people get injured, and they will, ease them in instead of Kampfer's taking the minutes.

Then you are looking at maybe Chara retiring. And the expansion draft. And Krug being a UFA. And Kevan Miller's UFA status making you look at moving a LD to RD.

Suddenly, the D group looks much less deep, or at least potentially so. I do think that it's in the teams best interest to move one of the LD for forward, with Krug, Gryz or Vaak being the guys that can get the most in return. But there is no pressing rush. From there its just finding out what deals are out there and keeping in mind the expansion draft and the cap. Vaak is exempt if I understand correctly, which would probably mean I would be looking to not deal him.

Coming out of the expansion draft with Vaak, Krug or Gryz, McAvoy and Carlo would be pretty sweet.

So, to me, it really comes down to finding the right deal for Gryz or Krug. Krug is better. Gryz is cheaper and will remain cheaper due to RFA status and the fact that his (very valuable) skill set just doesn't cost as much as Krug's points. Who you move depends on what is offered.

 

[Chief Nine]

Again, an argument can certainly be made. But we are getting healthier and healthier and we don't have anywhere close to that kind of assurance with our forwards. If we lost say Bergeron and Pasternak we would pretty much be done. Right now we can lose Chara and Carlo, trade Vaak and still have a serviceable D for this season (not advocating to trade Vaak just making a point). For as unlucky as we have been with D we have been equally lucky with the health of our forwards.

I doubt Don Sweeney is echoing this line of thought. Jake DeBrusk has missed some time and will be back soon hopefully and of course Bergeron is just about ready as well. Now it's up to Cassidy to rework his lines and see what they have and how they work. Once everyone is back and there's a few games to make assessments with needs, then they can decide to make moves etc.

And I've seen enough of Steven Kapfer this season as a regular.

Plus the more I think about it, Patrik Berglund could be an x factor option that would only cost them salary without giving up assets. And he is likely going to be very motivated for his next deal

 

[rocketdan9]

I doubt Don Sweeney is echoing this line of thought. Jake DeBrusk has missed some time and will be back soon hopefully and of course Bergeron is just about ready as well. Now it's up to Cassidy to rework his lines and see what they have and how they work. Once everyone is back and there's a few games to make assessments with needs, then they can decide to make moves etc.

And I've seen enough of Steven Kapfer this season as a regular.

Plus the more I think about it, Patrik Berglund could be an x factor option that would only cost them salary without giving up assets. And he is likely going to be very motivated for his next deal

You have to work for mins in Cassidy system

So cant see Berglund getting assurance he wont be scratched

 

[Chief Nine]

You have to work for mins in Cassidy system

So cant see Berglund getting assurance he wont be scratched

How do you know that he's asking for guaranteed minutes or would if he signed here???

 

[13Hockey]

DeBrusk slides in to Nordstrom spot next week and our top 6 is looking real good