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Tkachuckycheese

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If the Sens could afford to sign Duchene, don't you think they would have done so right after the EK trade to calm the waters?

If the Sens could afford to sign Stone, don't you think he'd have more than a one year deal?

It's a firesale and all the UFA's will be gone by the TDL as Melnyk tries to survive until he gets Lebreton built.

I think Stone signed the 1 year to see what the Sens plan is and how well the group does in their plan. He can sign a longer extension in January. I'm sure Duchene is doing the same seeing what Stone is going to do. Sens have a lot of talented prospects and could rebuild pretty fast with a younger team.
 

Sensung

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I think Stone signed the 1 year to see what the Sens plan is and how well the group does in their plan. He can sign a longer extension in January. I'm sure Duchene is doing the same seeing what Stone is going to do. Sens have a lot of talented prospects and could rebuild pretty fast with a younger team.
The owner doesn't have the money to pay them. Hence the Karlsson trade.
 
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Tkachuckycheese

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The owner doesn't have the money to pay them. Hence the Karlsson trade.
No they have money to spend. They have to spend to the cap floor. They just decided to have a change of culture. Maybe Karlsson wasn't good for the room like Hoffman. No one actually knows the full details what went on.
 

Sensung

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No they have money to spend. They have to spend to the cap floor. They just decided to have a change of culture. Maybe Karlsson wasn't good for the room like Hoffman. No one actually knows the full details what went on.
OK just ignore the fact that they haven't spent on any of the UFA's

So let's look at it from the other side. Why would Stone or Duchene stay in Ottawa?
 

Tkachuckycheese

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OK just ignore the fact that they haven't spent on any of the UFA's

So let's look at it from the other side. Why would Stone or Duchene stay in Ottawa?[/QUOTE

The Sens have a lot of upcoming talent. Could be like what Toronto did. As well everything with the organization seems to be at a hold with contracts business wise. So maybe something is coming up that will be in a new direction.
 

Senscore

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If we have a shitty team why don't we have any goons? At least try and entertain me god damnit.
 

Agent Zub

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No they have money to spend. They have to spend to the cap floor. They just decided to have a change of culture. Maybe Karlsson wasn't good for the room like Hoffman. No one actually knows the full details what went on.


lol change the culture. the only thing wrong with the culture of the team is melnyk, dorion, lee, boro.

They don't want to spend at all. Stone and Duchene are gone
 
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BoardsofCanada

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Are you guys forgetting that Karlsson was offered 88M to stay or are you just ignoring that because it doesn't fit your narrative?
 

Sensung

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Are you guys forgetting that Karlsson was offered 88M to stay or are you just ignoring that because it doesn't fit your narrative?
The offer was a complete sham. Only a fool thinks otherwise.

EK states he won't take less than market value. The Sens then offer him less than market value to save face and convince some naive fans that they really did want to keep him.
 
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BondraTime

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Are you guys forgetting that Karlsson was offered 88M to stay or are you just ignoring that because it doesn't fit your narrative?
Dorion literally said, and backtracked hours later, that they decided on rebuilding and Karlsson in February...

They had no intentions on signing Karlsson, which is incredibly obvious. He was kept until training camp so season tickets wouldn't bomb, which failed anyways.
 

Sensung

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11M per year is a fair salary for Karlsson. Only a fool would think that is lowballing him.
They decided in Feb to trade Karlsson.

The sham offer was a ploy to appease STH's and get some renewals.

The current market for EK STARTS at the Doughty deal and includes bonus money and no movement clauses. The offer from the Sens did not come close to market value.
 
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Micklebot

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11M per year is a fair salary for Karlsson. Only a fool would think that is lowballing him.

Not all contract structures are equal. A front loaded contract is more valuable to a player than a back loaded one, a contract with signing bonuses more valuable than one without, one with a NMC more valuable than one with a limited ntc, or no NTC at all.

The reality is an unverified offer of 11 mil lacks the finer details needed to know for sure whether or not it was market value, but given how this team has operated over the last year or two, they lost the benefit of doubt long ago.
 

Cosmix

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2019 - 2020 Roster:
Boedker - Duchene - Stone
Dzingel - Tierney - Ryan
Tkachuk - Chlapik - White (Kid Line)
Paajarvi - Smith - Pyatt/McCormick

Chabot - Ceci
Wolanin - DeMelo
Boroweicki - Wideman/Harpur

Anderson - Condon/Hogberg

PD needs to move about 3 of these guys by Xmas & then a few more by the TDL.

2020 - 2021 Roster:
Brown - Duchene - Stone
Formenton - Chlapik - Ryan
Tkachuk - White - Batherson
Nurmi - Paul - Gagné (Kid Line)

Chabot - Ceci
Wolanin - Demelo
Boroweicki - Jaros/Harpur

Anderson - Hogberg/Gustavsson

So you are an optimist regarding signing Duchene and Stone. I fear the Melnyk budget, the new scorched UFAs strategy, the Dorion GM effect, and the potential desires of both Duchene and Stone to leave this xxxxxxxx of a team behind.
 

SensFactor

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How?

They finished bottom 5 and substracted Hoffman and Karlsson.
Just watch. We have a decent goalie, have decent top 6 and have solid rookies. Only Issue we have is d core. It could be alot worse. I think we are a bubble team. So much negatively on here. Be positive, be a man, do the right thing.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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11M per year is a fair salary for Karlsson. Only a fool would think that is lowballing him.
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And that doesn't factor in taxes or bonuses.. or the tax implications of large bonus alternatives to salaries.
 

FolignoQuantumLeap

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Just watch. We have a decent goalie, have decent top 6 and have solid rookies. Only Issue we have is d core. It could be alot worse. I think we are a bubble team. So much negatively on here. Be positive, be a man, do the right thing.
The bolded are just not true. We have a 37 year old goalie who had a .898 sv% last season and a forward group that has only 5 players who've hit 20 goals in their careers. 2 of those are Zack Smith and Bobby Ryan. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find 3 other top 6 groups who are worse in the league.
 
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SensFactor

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The bolded are just not true. We have a 37 year old goalie who had a .898 sv% last season and a forward group that has only 5 players who've hit 20 goals in their careers. 2 of those are Zack Smith and Bobby Ryan. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find 3 other top 6 groups who are worse in the league.
You gotta beleive man.
 

Sens of Anarchy

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The bolded are just not true. We have a 37 year old goalie who had a .898 sv% last season and a forward group that has only 5 players who've hit 20 goals in their careers. 2 of those are Zack Smith and Bobby Ryan. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find 1 other top 6 groups who are worse in the league.
fify :laugh:
 

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