2017 Training Camp Thread - Almost There...

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Definitely have to either extend or trade Stone. Do you trade him now though?

 

[zerekstar]

I put some credence to the thought we would be receptive to a Perlini for Dal Cole deal if we r frustrated with Perlini's development

I would prefer to see how Perlini does in the AHL first but definitely worth consideration.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Definitely have to either extend or trade Stone. Do you trade him now though?

Nah I'd say let him come back strong and wait until a contender has a rhd go down, or the deadline.

If his long term demands are reasonable I'd consider resigning him. The problem there though is if you think deangelo is NHL ready next year or even sooner what happens then? I guess schenn becomes depth next year, along with kconn assuming Chychrun makes the team next year (if not this year).
Oel Murphy
Gogo stone
Chychrun deangelo
Kconn schenn

Solid depth but unless you get a smokin deal from stone that's kind of a pricey top 4 isn't it?

 

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For the Coyotes? Yes. For successful teams? Not especially.

 

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Anaheim has 20M into their blueline without Lindholm signed yet, for example. Jets are at 23M without Trouba under contract. Even cash poor Ottawa has 23+M into their blueline.

AZ would be at 15 or 16 without Stone next year. Teams cheaper than that have a bunch of ELCs, like Florida at 15M.

 

[Mosby]

It makes sense that we would be but I think he could be a hard sell since no one knows how well he will come back. Hopefully Chaka can get max value if this is true.

I would be concerned if one of our RHD gets injured but I guess Connauton can play both sides so maybe it would be alright. We could use another RW.

If we move Stone without getting a D back, it opens an RD slot for DeAngelo.

As for Perlini, he's off to a good start in the A. Two points in two preseason games. This is a long-term project.

 

[Sempiternal]

I made a Marner and Strome points prediction poll and so far the few who have posted think Strome will be sent back to Juniors. Do you guys agree with this?

Thx

 

[moosemeister]

I made a Marner and Strome points prediction poll and so far the few who have posted think Strome will be sent back to Juniors. Do you guys agree with this?

Thx

I think it's very likely

 

[Sempiternal]

I think it's very likely

What's his weakness? He's been putting up preseason points. I know ppl have slagged for his skating, but those were knocks against Johansen and others who have made it.

 

[Plub]

I made a Marner and Strome points prediction poll and so far the few who have posted think Strome will be sent back to Juniors. Do you guys agree with this?

Thx

It wouldn't shock me, but they may not simply because there's nothing to gain from doing so. I've seen Marner and Strome a lot this preaseason and neither has been great. Both have been serviceable, but both are in the same situation as far as the OHL not really offering them any growth.

Strome's speed has been an issue. He's been slow to react with the puck. And in general the game seems to be just a bit too fast for him. But he's also had good moments. It isn't that he has played poorly, it's just that he hasn't been impressive, or even above average. Hopefully he gets his 9 games and gets it together.

 

[Sempiternal]

It wouldn't shock me, but they may not simply because there's nothing to gain from doing so. I've seen Marner and Strome a lot this preaseason and neither has been great. Both have been serviceable, but both are in the same situation as far as the OHL not really offering them any growth.

I've thought Marner has looked great. Unfortunately I haven't watched any Coyotes games to compare.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

[hbk]

Perlini has always been what he is. All tools, questionable toolbox and motor. I'm not sure why people are suddenly down on him, unless they were too high to start with. He's still got speed and size. He'll be an NHL player in some capacity (see: young Taylor Pyatt). You draft him hoping he puts it together because that package available at 12ov is pretty attractive. Two years later you dump him? Doesn't make sense. Has he blossomed? No. If he was a two-year project he wouldn't have lasted to 12ov. He's 20. Now whether someone like Dal Colle is a better prospect in the eyes of mgmt now is fair to ask, but...

Same question on why the Isles would be low on a 5ov pick after two years enough to move him for Perlini who has done even less offensively. Hard to believe the Isles are done so soon.

I think it's just pure speculation on whether a change of scenery "even money" deal could be in the works.

Perlini's usage in junior was a sore spot for me. Now that we have control I'm intrigued to see if scouts were right.

 

[Jakey53]

I believe we are shopping Stone. I also believe Isles are frustrated by Dal Cole

With Schenn in the line up it would take the sting away from losing Stones toughness. I really like what DeAngelo brings to the table and would add another element on the R side. I agree about Dal Cole, like us with Perlini.

 

[Jakey53]

I made a Marner and Strome points prediction poll and so far the few who have posted think Strome will be sent back to Juniors. Do you guys agree with this?

Thx

No. Strome will be in the NHL.

 

[Matias Maccete]

Anaheim has 20M into their blueline without Lindholm signed yet, for example. Jets are at 23M without Trouba under contract. Even cash poor Ottawa has 23+M into their blueline.

AZ would be at 15 or 16 without Stone next year. Teams cheaper than that have a bunch of ELCs, like Florida at 15M.

Interesting, I guess I'm used to our penny pinching ways.
So we resign him, and for this season have
Oel Murphy
Gogo stone
Kconn (after 9 games of Chychrun) schenn
Z

Next year
Oel Murphy
Gogo stone
Chychrun deangelo/schenn
Kconn

I guess it all depends on stones contract demands, no news on what kind of deal he wants long term is there?

 

[rt]

With Schenn in the line up it would take the sting away from losing Stones toughness. I really like what DeAngelo brings to the table and would add another element on the R side. I agree about Dal Cole, like us with Perlini.

Neither Schenn nor DeAngelo should be getting even strength minutes with Goligoski. That's too much exposure for both. Ideally, they'd sub in and out of the lineup for one another on the bottom pair. If you feel like creativity and PP mins are more needed for a particular match-up, you cycle in DeAngelo. If you need more physical play and PK presence for a given game, you pencil in Schenn.

 

[rt]

When do final cuts come? Today?

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

Yes, final cuts have to made by Tuesday

 

[Matias Maccete]

Neither Schenn nor DeAngelo should be getting even strength minutes with Goligoski. That's too much exposure for both. Ideally, they'd sub in and out of the lineup for one another on the bottom pair. If you feel like creativity and PP mins are more needed for a particular match-up, you cycle in DeAngelo. If you need more physical play and PK presence for a given game, you pencil in Schenn.

I wonder if we go 7 11 sometimes with deangelo getting a few shifts at winger, and being a pp and offensive zone against weak personnel specialist in the point. He did take a few shifts at winger against San Jose I think it was.

 

[PhoPhan]

The signal to noise ratio when it comes to playing offensive-minded defensemen at wing is pretty low. Given the lack of depth in the prospect pipeline at defense (especially among righties) and DeAngelo's skill set, I think they'll try to develop him into a useful defenseman. There should be plenty of shifts available at defense even with seven of them dressed. DeAngelo is already the best powerplay option after OEL.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

I wonder if theres any regret signing McGinn given how well Crouse and Fischer have preformed.

 

[Matias Maccete]

The signal to noise ratio when it comes to playing offensive-minded defensemen at wing is pretty low. Given the lack of depth in the prospect pipeline at defense (especially among righties) and DeAngelo's skill set, I think they'll try to develop him into a useful defenseman. There should be plenty of shifts available at defense even with seven of them dressed. DeAngelo is already the best powerplay option after OEL.

Agreed but the fact that we tried him there for multiple shifts makes me think we're considering it.

 

[BlazingBlueAnt]

If DeAngelo makes the team sometime this year, he instantly becomes our most creative player. Imagine a PP with DeAngelo at the point and Keller at the half wall

 

[Jakey53]

Neither Schenn nor DeAngelo should be getting even strength minutes with Goligoski. That's too much exposure for both. Ideally, they'd sub in and out of the lineup for one another on the bottom pair. If you feel like creativity and PP mins are more needed for a particular match-up, you cycle in DeAngelo. If you need more physical play and PK presence for a given game, you pencil in Schenn.

If you trade Stone who is our second pairing RD? I like Stone and what he brings and I think he is more valuable than what most think.

 

[Matias Maccete]

If DeAngelo makes the team sometime this year, he instantly becomes our most creative player. Imagine a PP with DeAngelo at the point and Keller at the half wall

Time to pump the brakes a bit there imo. Domi and oel are easily more creative.