2017/2018 Management Discussion | NEW MOD WARNING IN OP AS OF 5/20/18

[Britton]

I mean he isn't wrong, it is impossible for them to create a market.

You have to actually be competent to do that.

 

[megatron]

Linden: It's gotta be the right fit, the right piece. It's hard... It's not just X player is worth this because that's what I think. I've heard people talk about creating a market for players which is ridiculous. That's impossible to do. There's a set market. #Canucks

Unbelievable, when I first read that I thought it was satire. The I saw the post below indicating that's what he actually said.

People deservedly give Benning a lot of heat for his mismanagement but most of the blame should be on Linden. It was Linden who hired Benning based in large part to their previous relationship as teammates.

 

[Peen]

I would rather have Benning than Linden.

It's not even a debate in my mind.

 

[Nuckles]

You can't make this stuff up

 

[I in the Eye]

You can't make this stuff up

If it's the "right fit, the right piece", of course the draft pick value is going to be low, or no market at all for getting a draft pick with a right fit, right piece player. Who would include a draft pick for a player who's the right fit, the right piece? They'd be inclined to keep a player who's a right fit, the right piece... or there will be multiple teams in on getting a right fit, right piece player. The trick is to get the "wrong fit, the wrong piece"... that's why teams attach higher draft pick value to poor or injured players on poor contracts... Hossa is the "right fit, the right piece"... not to actually play on the team, and help the Canucks make the playoffs, but the "right fit, the right piece" to get a quality draft pick for.

They are just doing the same things they have always done... using different terms... and being seemingly open to new strategies, without really being open to them.

 

[Fire Benning]

Ah yes, just need to get 4 NHLers per year and in......6 years we'll have a full team!

Very reasonable expectations, Jim.

It also becomes even more harder when you constantly head into drafts with a deficit of picks.

 

[Fire Benning]

The fact that they think you can't create a market for players is exactly why they can never get value.

 

[Fire Benning]

4 years later and Linden is still smug as hell despite having zero prior front office experience. Good to know.

 

[ccjon]

 

[Bleach Clean]

Yes, he actually said this. This regime is a never-ending terrible quote machine.

How are people this ****ing stupid employed to run a $800 $700 million franchise.

What in the...

That has got to be the dumbest comment I've seen from them. Absolute idiocy.

 

[Shattered Dreams]

What in the...

That has got to be the dumbest comment I've seen from them. Absolute idiocy.

Is it dumber than Hockey hasn't changed in 100 years? That was pretty bad.

Canucks' Linden: 'The fundamentals of the game haven't changed in 100 years'

 

[NucksRock]

Benning is amazing! Better than 85% of gms and better than the flames gm for sure!

 

[I in the Eye]

What in the...

That has got to be the dumbest comment I've seen from them. Absolute idiocy.

What sets the market in trades with Vancouver is supply, demand, and Canucks stupidity.

I've taken a f***ing course on market creation / market penetration and product positioning... and this was 20 years ago. They don't have the skills to run an ice cream truck successfully... let alone a multi million dollar operation.

 

[timw33]

You can't make this stuff up

All these guys have done since the wheels fell off in 15/16 season is make excuse after excuse as to why they are somehow unable to do their job with an average amount of competency.

This is an absolute nightmare and a continuation of the "age gap" trash that has absolutely decimated our team's depth. And if it's some 28 year old like ROR....they they are already 5 years too old for this team's core.

 

[NucksRock]

All these guys have done since the wheels fell off in 15/16 season is make excuse after excuse as to why they are somehow unable to do their job with an average amount of competency.



This is an absolute nightmare and a continuation of the "age gap" trash that has absolutely decimated our team's depth. And if it's some 28 year old like ROR....they they are already 5 years too old for this team's core.

Where do the words prospect or young and ROR seem to merge to the same point for you?

 

[Cupless44]

4 years later and Linden is still smug as hell despite having zero prior front office experience. Good to know.

Not to mention leading his team to the worst combined record in the NHL over the last 3 seasons

 

[timw33]

Where do the words prospect or young and ROR seem to merge to the same point for you?

It's not necessarily ROR, but we've seen plenty of "young players in the NHL" like Baertschi, Etem, Motte, Pouliot, Granlund, etc. acquired to accelerate development that have fallen flat on their faces for the most part. If that's his idea of young NHL players, then I want no part of what he's trying to put together.

And if the interpretation of a young NHLer is a 26-28 year old, then that's too old.

 

[NucksRock]

It's not necessarily ROR, but we've seen plenty of "young players in the NHL" like Baertschi, Etem, Motte, Pouliot, Granlund, etc. acquired to accelerate development that have fallen flat on their faces for the most part. If that's his idea of young NHL players, then I want no part of what he's trying to put together.

And if the interpretation of a young NHLer is a 26-28 year old, then that's too old.

Fair points on the 21-24 year olds. My point is I don’t think he’s suggesting ROR is young. That being said I’m not averse to ROR “at the right price” . He’s only 27 and his underlying advanced stats actually show he’s one of the top 2 way centres in the league and that’s on a crap Buffalo team.

We have cap room, he takes #1 , Bo then Guadette then Sutter.


All depends on cost

 

[Pavel96]

You can't make this stuff up

Linden makes it up. And then he says it. Whatever fits their narrative.

 

[member 290103]

Listened to Jim on 1040 this afternoon. I thought he sounded pretty high on Wahlstrom. He keeps talking about picking the best player available - regardless of need. He said he thought a few forwards might fall to them. He also said that there were two players they interviewed that blew them away. Sekeres said they have hardly talked to Bouchard.

Wonder if they go for Wahlstrom? Maybe Tkachuk?

 

[polarbearcub]

I'm getting a feeling they have whalstrom ahead of Bouchard

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

Is it dumber than Hockey hasn't changed in 100 years? That was pretty bad.

Canucks' Linden: 'The fundamentals of the game haven't changed in 100 years'

There was obviously a reason why he got as far away from the game as he could when he retired. He knew perfectly well he had no aptitude for the management side and had to be dragged in screaming and kicking by Mr Aquilini who needed a figurehead to con the marks out there.

 

[member 290103]

I would rather have Benning than Linden.

It's not even a debate in my mind.

totally agree. Linden is way more of a problem than anyone makes him out to be. I honestly believe that a lot of the terrible moves made over the past reign have been at his direction. He likes Dim in there as he can just tell him what to do and he does it.

Linden's got a massive ego and thinks he is smarter than everyone else, when in fact, in most cases, the converse is true.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

You can't make this stuff up

Problem with Hossa specifically is (according to LeBrun) they(the Blackhawks) view Hossa as a gift in a sense to teams whereas teams who would potentially take it want an add-on. He only has to be paid 1M per year for 3 years in actual salary and his 5.275 caphit is a easy way for budget teams wanting to reach the cap floor.

If the Canucks were looking at this I think the most you could expect is a 3rd round pick or something.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

totally agree. Linden is way more of a problem than anyone makes him out to be. I honestly believe that a lot of the terrible moves made over the past reign have been at his direction. He likes Dim in there as he can just tell him what to do and he does it.

Linden's got a massive ego and thinks he is smarter than everyone else, when in fact, in most cases, the converse is true.

Yep and Benning is there to take the heat when things don't work out. Of course Trevor's 'comfort level' always needs to be cushy cozy with whoever's going to be around.