Prospect Info: 2017-18 Flyers Prospects - Top 30 SKATERS, Final Poll Results

[StoneHands]

I'm really disappointed in what's happened with Rubtsov. I thought for sure he was going to be a good middle 6 two-way center for a long time. Any theories on why he's struggled so much? Did the 5 minutes a game in the KHL slow his progression or ruin his confidence? Did the move to the NA game and then fairly quick change of scenery hurt his development? It's never a good thing when player in his draft +2 season is under a PPG in the Q. Hopefully he has a bounce back season this year and looks good for the Phantoms but he's going to be a big time faller in the season's rankings and the B word is going to start being thrown around if he doesn't look good next season.

 

[OrangeAndBlackMetal]

Because this is an almost year old prospect poll.

At the time Rubtsov was a 20-something 1st round pick coming off a very good performance in the Q in his D+1 year.

At the time Frost was a 20-something 1st round pick with a sub point/game season in the OHL in his D year. Hell, at the time a not small # of people were beside themselves we "reached" on Frost.

It's not like they weren't ranked neck and neck. It's a reminder about what can happen in a year.

Looool that makes sense, should have looked at the date of the OP. f*** me, right?

 

[Curufinwe]

This is my initial list of prospects for this summer's polls. Let me know if there's anyone missing.

Allison, Wade
Aube-Kubel, Nicolas
Bernhardt, David
Bunnaman, Connor
Cates, Noah
Drake, David
Fazleev, Radel
Friedman, Mark
Frost, Morgan
Goulbourne, Tyrell
Hogberg, Linus
Kalynuk, Wyatt
Kase, David
Laberge, Pascal
Laczynski, Tanner
Lycksell, Olle
Martel, Danick
Morin, Sam
Myers, Phil
Ratcliffe, Isaac
Rubtsov, German
Strome, Matthew
Sushko, Maxim
Twarynski, Carson
Vorobyev, Mikhail
Warren, Brendan
Willcox, Reece

Removed from 2017's list
Amorosa, Terrance - Rights expire 8/15/18
Bardreau, Cole - Turns 25 on 7/22/18
Hagg, Robert - NHL regular
Leier, Taylor - NHL regular
Lindblom, Oskar - NHL regular
Marody, Cooper - Traded to Oilers
Patrick, Nolan - NHL regular
Salinitri, Anthony - Rights expire 6/1/18
Sanheim, Travis - NHL regular
Vecchione, Mike - Turned 25 on 2/25/18

 

[Striiker]

This is my initial list of prospects for this summer's polls. Let me know if there's anyone missing.

Allison, Wade
Aube-Kubel, Nicolas
Bernhardt, David
Bunnaman, Connor
Cates, Noah
Drake, David
Fazleev, Radel
Friedman, Mark
Frost, Morgan
Goulbourne, Tyrell
Hogberg, Linus
Kalynuk, Wyatt
Kase, David
Laberge, Pascal
Laczynski, Tanner
Lycksell, Olle
Martel, Danick
Morin, Sam
Myers, Phil
Ratcliffe, Isaac
Rubtsov, German
Strome, Matthew
Sushko, Maxim
Twarynski, Carson
Vorobyev, Mikhail
Warren, Brendan
Willcox, Reece

Removed from 2017's list
Amorosa, Terrance - Rights expire 8/15/18
Bardreau, Cole - Turns 25 on 7/22/18
Hagg, Robert - NHL regular
Leier, Taylor - NHL regular
Lindblom, Oskar - NHL regular
Marody, Cooper - Traded to Oilers
Patrick, Nolan - NHL regular
Salinitri, Anthony - Rights expire 6/1/18
Sanheim, Travis - NHL regular
Vecchione, Mike - Turned 25 on 2/25/18

@The Madrigal
"What promising prospects"

 

[Stizzle]

This is my initial list of prospects for this summer's polls. Let me know if there's anyone missing.

Allison, Wade
Aube-Kubel, Nicolas
Bernhardt, David
Bunnaman, Connor
Cates, Noah
Drake, David
Fazleev, Radel
Friedman, Mark
Frost, Morgan
Goulbourne, Tyrell
Hogberg, Linus
Kalynuk, Wyatt
Kase, David
Laberge, Pascal
Laczynski, Tanner
Lycksell, Olle
Martel, Danick
Morin, Sam
Myers, Phil
Ratcliffe, Isaac
Rubtsov, German
Strome, Matthew
Sushko, Maxim
Twarynski, Carson
Vorobyev, Mikhail
Warren, Brendan
Willcox, Reece

Removed from 2017's list
Amorosa, Terrance - Rights expire 8/15/18
Bardreau, Cole - Turns 25 on 7/22/18
Hagg, Robert - NHL regular
Leier, Taylor - NHL regular
Lindblom, Oskar - NHL regular
Marody, Cooper - Traded to Oilers
Patrick, Nolan - NHL regular
Salinitri, Anthony - Rights expire 6/1/18
Sanheim, Travis - NHL regular
Vecchione, Mike - Turned 25 on 2/25/18

Do we still own Drake's rights? I'm assuming, no.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Do we still own Drake's rights? I'm assuming, no.

Until August 15th. He'll probably get an AHL deal.

 

[Curufinwe]

Yes, although if he just gets an AHL deal and not an ELC I should take him off the list.

 

[wasup]

It's an exciting list and might get Kosorenkov added to it. Hopefully, 6 or 7 of them become regular contributors in the NHL, 1 or 2 become superstars, and another 2 or 3 are top 6 / top pair players. Anything less than that, and I fear we'll end up like a team like the Jets, with a farm system that was highly rated but led to nothing.

I was reading thru this tread again and OMG . I pray we end up like the Jets , man what a stupid this to have said.

 

[Curufinwe]

People were laughing at the Jets at the start of this season when Mase got blown out in their opening games.

 

[deadhead]

This is my initial list of prospects for this summer's polls. Let me know if there's anyone missing.


Removed from 2017's list
Amorosa, Terrance - Rights expire 8/15/18
Bardreau, Cole - Turns 25 on 7/22/18
Hagg, Robert - NHL regular
Leier, Taylor - NHL regular
Lindblom, Oskar - NHL regular
Marody, Cooper - Traded to Oilers
Patrick, Nolan - NHL regular
Salinitri, Anthony - Rights expire 6/1/18
Sanheim, Travis - NHL regular
Vecchione, Mike - Turned 25 on 2/25/18

So five players (4 who will stick) graduated to the NHL roster.

Bardreau and Vecchione have a good shot this year.

Players with a shot at making the team at some point this season:
Aube-Kubel, Nicolas
Friedman, Mark
Goulbourne, Tyrell
Martel, Danick
Morin, Sam
Myers, Phil
Vorobyev, Mikhail
Willcox, Reece

These two may get a look depending when their junior season ends:
Frost, Morgan
Ratcliffe, Isaac

 

[The Madrigal]

updated after draft

center
morgan forst
jay o'brien
german rubtsov
mikhail vorobyov
connor bunnaman

left wing
joel farabee
-oskar lindblom
isaac ratcliffe
matthew strome
noah cates

right wing
wade allison
nicolas aube-kubel
pascal laberge
david kase
tanner laczynski

defense
-travis sanheim
phil myers
sam morin
adam ginning
mark friedman

goalie
carter hart
felix sandstrom
alex lyon
anthony stolarz
samuel ersson

-still considering sanheim and linblom prospects since they both played in less 50 regular season games last year

 

[FlyTimmo]

Without thinking too much about it...

1. Frost
2. Myers
3. Farabee
4. O'Brien
5. Ratcliffe
6. Laczynski
7. Allison
8. Vorobyev
9. Morin
10. Rubstov
11. Aube-Kubel
12. Ginning
13. Hogberg
14. Bernhardt
15. Lycksell
16. Strome
17. Friedman
18. Kase
19. Cates
20. St.Ivany
851. Bunnaman


1. Hart
2. Lyon (is he still a prospect?)
3. Sandstrom
4. Ustimenko
5. Ersson?

I don't know. I didn't think too hard about this and definitely could have forgotten somebody.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I am going to pretend that I didn't see that so you can live through the day.

 

[FlyTimmo]

I am going to pretend that I didn't see that so you can live through the day.

I think it is fine to have Cates in the top-20. He had a surprisingly good year.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I think it is fine to have Cates in the top-20. He had a surprisingly good year.

 

[Magua]

I 100% have Cates in my top 20 and Bunnaman in my top 850.

 

[wasup]

Without thinking too much about it...

1. Frost
2. Myers
3. Farabee
4. O'Brien
5. Ratcliffe
6. Laczynski
7. Allison
8. Vorobyev
9. Morin
10. Rubstov
11. Aube-Kubel
12. Ginning
13. Hogberg
14. Bernhardt
15. Lycksell
16. Strome
17. Friedman
18. Kase
19. Cates
20. St.Ivany
851. Bunnaman


1. Hart
2. Lyon (is he still a prospect?)
3. Sandstrom
4. Ustimenko
5. Ersson?

I don't know. I didn't think too hard about this and definitely could have forgotten somebody.

I agree with your first two then boy are we different , putting O'Brien above guys like Rubstov etc when all he has done is prove himself at high schoollers is wishful thinking.

 

[FlyTimmo]

I agree with your first two then boy are we different , putting O'Brien above guys like Rubstov etc when all he has done is prove himself at high schoollers is wishful thinking.

I mean pretty much everyone drafted before him has done more. That isn't how you rank prospects.

When factoring in upside and skill I don't think you can put guys like Rubstov (lol really) ahead of O'Brien. I could see an argument for Ratcliffe, and maybe the two college guys but that's it. Having Rubstov ahead of him is wrong.

 

[FLYguy3911]

I would probably have O’Brien 4th as well. Best chance to be a top 6 guy after Frost and Farabee. I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up being better than Farabee eventually.

 

[Stizzle]

I mean pretty much everyone drafted before him has done more. That isn't how you rank prospects.

When factoring in upside and skill I don't think you can put guys like Rubstov (lol really) ahead of O'Brien. I could see an argument for Ratcliffe, and maybe the two college guys but that's it. Having Rubstov ahead of him is wrong.

Correct.

I would probably have O’Brien 4th as well. Best chance to be a top 6 guy after Frost and Farabee. I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends up being better than Farabee eventually.

Correct.

 

[Stizzle]

Without thinking too much about it...

1. Frost
2. Myers
3. Farabee
4. O'Brien
5. Ratcliffe
6. Laczynski
7. Allison
8. Vorobyev
9. Morin
10. Rubstov
11. Aube-Kubel
12. Ginning
13. Hogberg
14. Bernhardt
15. Lycksell
16. Strome
17. Friedman
18. Kase
19. Cates
20. St.Ivany
851. Bunnaman


1. Hart
2. Lyon (is he still a prospect?)
3. Sandstrom
4. Ustimenko
5. Ersson?

I don't know. I didn't think too hard about this and definitely could have forgotten somebody.

Good list. Obviously, mine will look different. But my only real pound the table disagreements are not having Kalynuk ranked, and Lyon at #2 over Sandstrom and even the upside of Ustimenko.

 

[FlyTimmo]

Good list. Obviously, mine will look different. But my only real pound the table disagreements are not having Kalynuk ranked, and Lyon at #2 over Sandstrom and even the upside of Ustimenko.

Yeah, I can't say that I took too much time thinking about it. Doing it again I'd probably slide Kalynuk behind Cates.

I'm not sure if Lyon is a prospect at all anymore, but those LV playoffs made me a believer. 11 games, 1.98GAA 0.944SV% was crazy impressive.

 

[FlyTimmo]

I wonder who, if any, will have a really big year and jump in the rankings. Who will be this years Morgan Frost?

 

[Magua]

I wonder who, if any, will have a really big year and jump in the rankings. Who will be this years Morgan Frost?

Probably no one because Frost was a 1st and had a ton of talent. A lot people above him graduated too, which made his jump seem higher. Farabee and JOB are definitely 3rd and 4th for me, but they're not climbing above Frost, if he's in the OHL. Myers ideally isn't on the rankings next year; hopefully not even at halfway. So, they'll be 2nd and 3rd even if they go off (barring next year's 1st: Jack Hughes). They could switch places, and I get that JOB is more of a mystery. We don't actually know what to expect. But Farabee is very awesome and shouldn't be downplayed because he's less mystery box.

My guess for big risers? Lycksell, Kase, maybe Rubtsov climbs back up a little though he shouldn't be torched in his ranking either because of one mediocre year (we didn't do it for Laberge last year and Rubtsov is smarter and more skilled), Kalynuk, Cates. This year: Id' say St. Ivany, but he's still playing in the USHL and doesn't have a ton of room to improve there. 4/5 are going up levels and/or getting more exposure.

 

[wasup]

Mine without a lot of thought would be ;
Frost
Myers
Farabee
Allison
Ratcliffe
Lacznyski
Rubstov
O'Brein
Vorobyev
Aube Kubel
Morin
Hogberg
Bernhard
Lycksell
Strome
Cates
Ginning
Kaylnuck
Freidman
Bunnyman cause otherwise Cap'n going to kill me

Hart
Sandstrom
Lyon
Ustimenko