Player Discussion: 2016 round 4 #95 Anatoli Golyshev

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Sorry you feel offended but I call them like I see them. I respect you opinion and the desire to see the Isles improve, I believe we are all in that camp, and I also agree with a lot of what you say about hockey and what happens on the ice, but I just cannot get worked up about this draft or pick in particular, or the lack of moves so far.

The Isles first round pick, Bellows, is a solidly-built kid who is aggressive and will go into the dirty areas. It was a smart pick.

They took Golyshev, who has done it at the KHL level, which is regarded as the second best league in the world and he had been tabbed by some as the best non-drafted player in hockey. Will he come over? I don't know but the Isles head scout seems to believe the Isles can buy out the contract as soon as next year and he is close to ready for the NHL.

They followed that pick up with a huge kid who is very young but already has a scoring touch and primarily needs to work on his skating, like most big players need to do. He just likely needs to grow into his frame. That takes some time so getting a more developed player like Golyshev makes some sense. There is some symmetry to the two picks.

The rest of the picks are reasonable gambles. Players who will either go off to college and go through a proper strength and conditioning program like Pastujov who is already 6' and 200 lbs or, in the case of Quenneville, could be a PP specialist and niche player. That is typically what you get in the 7th round. I just can't get worked up about the sixth rounder, Collin Adams, who is short at 5'9", but if he is a true 180 lbs, and from the pics I have seen that appears to be the case since he appears to be relatively thick.

Besides complaining about the size of a fourth round pick, just one of two with the other being a monster, you are already throwing around lines like:

"Well, I did preach giving them till thru the draft before declaring a fiasco about to unfold.

Hope everyone brought their fiasco glasses and Hawaiian shirts because in a few more hours... things be looking like 100% fiasco, Wang style."​

Come on man, NOBODY made any material moves other than the Red Wings unloading a contract that the Coyotes will use to circumvent the cap floor.

The Isles have sufficient cap space to make a couple moves if the right deals are there AND, hopefully, the new owners have green-lit spending some money. However, we still have to wait to see what happens, just like everyone else.

If the Isles manage to land a couple good players, be it via free agency and/or trade, they should be able to then clear out a contract or two to get under the cap. If the new owners are willing to spend up to the cap, it shouldn't be a problem. Especially if Grabo is, unfortunately, sidelined due to all of the concussions.

Well, right to your main concern answer me this, why am I very ok with Bellows if all I want to do is complain? Since he was our first round pick, and since he has top ten 1st round value despite where he was selected, wouldn't you think that would be my choice for complaining?

Go look that thread over. Tell me I said any one negative thing about the kid or not trading that piece. He is big, he is skilled, he scores goals, and he occasionally kills Canadian liberals. I have already placed him next to Beau on my you touch, you get broken fingers mantle.

I disagree about free agency greatly. We have little room for FAs when I look at the numbers, especially zero room for Stammer, or resigning Frans and getting Eriksson at the same time, for example.

My belly ache over the draft was the issue about freeing up cap space. Now, imo, we are screwed unless someone does us a solid or we move garbage with big salaries for better players with big salaries. Yeah, not happening. But I allow for being proven wrong. We shall see.
 
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danteipp

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We do not know, but the Isles must surely have an idea, and Grabo might be cooked. If so, the Isles will place him on LTIR and get commensurate cap relief in order to exceed the cieling. Then, if he is indeed out for the full year and his career is over, he will eventually be moved to the SOIR the following season and his contract will be a zero balance.

The Isles have plenty of time to get cap compliant. If they manage to land a couple big fish, they can easily move some pieces to get under the Cap ceiling. That should be the least of our problems. We should be hoping that they can spend to the ceiling.

My "main concern" was never Bellows, I was just going through the draft picks in order and I know you like that pick. The Isles brought in an interesting mix of players with limited picks. My main concern is throwing out words like "fiasco" when every team is in the same boat right now. Teams are talking to players and putting plans in place.

I am willing to wait and see if the Isles can extend Nielsen and then get at least one quality piece. That keeps them at least flat. From there, they can make a trade at some point for the final piece. Unlike lots of playoff teams who are truly jammed to the cap and/or don't have many prospects left to move, the Isles have an abundance of valuable chips and some wiggle room.
 

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I could understand how some posters view the pick on the small Russian ... we don't exactly have a great track record with draft picks from the khl and also with smaller players ( ness, cammarata, conacher) ... hopefully he makes it over here and can be our Tyler Johnson... seeing our star player and scorers get run in the past few years is def a concern ... I think it would be good for us to have some picks with decent combo of size/ snarl given the division we are in ...
 
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Kshahdoo

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I hope Golyshev will come as soon as possible, because I want to see him on the same line as Tavares. People keep saying Panarin was lucky to play with Kane. But I think Tavares could be as good as Kane, if he had someone like Panarin on his wing. And Golyshev can be that guy.
 

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I am more critical of Snow than anyone. Regarding the pick, who cares about his size! Its a 4th round pick. Its not like Snow picked some random chinese kid or a 4th string goalie. This was at least a real selection.
 

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Downsides:

1. he won't be here for at minimum a year or two. Because, most 4th round draft picks immediately step into the NHL;

2. he's small. Because, he was 4th in goal-scoring in the 2nd best professional men's league in the world.

:help:
 

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Downsides:

1. he won't be here for at minimum a year or two. Because, most 4th round draft picks immediately step into the NHL;

2. he's small. Because, he was 4th in goal-scoring in the 2nd best professional men's league in the world.

:help:

Golyshev's first draft year was 2015 or 2014. He's not your typical 4th round 'project' pick.

He's a pro player with questions and concerns about nationality and size.
 

Seph

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Um, yes? This guy has like a 20% chance of making the NHL and isn't even going to be a factor for 3+ years. This pick doesn't represent a trend, it's just a pick.

Yep, using a 4th round pick as being indicative of a trend, while ignoring the 1st round pick (not huge, but 6' and 200 lbs, while being known for his strength and physical play), seems like one has quite a bit of confirmation bias when selecting what evidence to base their opinion on.

It's a 4th round pick. Is he a longshot? Yep. Were there any bluechippers available at that pick? Of course not. As with any pick after the 2nd round, you identify a guy with one or two NHL level qualities, and hope he overcomes the detriments. If you can get a guy with high end skill and skating, you're actually well ahead of your average 4th round pick. Still a ways away from being a bluechipper, but for a 4th round pick I don't get how one can be upset.
 

steveat

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This guys is as close to blue chip without being blue chip.

He's ALREADY 21 and yes he has signed a new contract, but that was before he knew he would be drafted and also, KHL contracts can be bought out. The Isles can buy out his KHL contract and sign him to a new one on the Island.

I can't even believe he lasted till the 4th round? Both Kirill's were taken in the third and they were rated high. This guys has a title already "World's best unsigned player". I'm thinking Snow might be taking a different route.. Instead of reclamation projects, dumpster diving, waiver Bingo and signing has beens, Snow is searching for cheap/young/good talent to try mold a new piece on the team. If they suck, there is no long contract to be stuck in. Waive and try again.
 

doublechili

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Golyshev's first draft year was 2015 or 2014. He's not your typical 4th round 'project' pick.

He's a pro player with questions and concerns about nationality and size.

Right, but he's just a 4th rounder with questions. As you implied with your "typical 4th round project" comment, all 4th rounders have questions. If he were 6' tall and had no contract obligations in the KHL, he wouldn't have been available in the 4th round (or the 3rd or maybe the 2nd). So I don't understand the complaints by some here. He seems like a reasonable value/risk proposition for a 4th round pick.
 

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Right, but he's just a 4th rounder with questions. As you implied with your "typical 4th round project" comment, all 4th rounders have questions. If he were 6' tall and had no contract obligations in the KHL, he wouldn't have been available in the 4th round (or the 3rd or maybe the 2nd). So I don't understand the complaints by some here. He seems like a reasonable value/risk proposition for a 4th round pick.

The bolded is correct, but that question with 4th rounders is usually closer to "Will this player develop enough to be a pro hockey player?", whereas in this case the question is "Can we get him signed and will he be able to overcome his size issues?".

In today's NHL, size is starting to become irrelevant if you can skate and are willing to go to the dirty areas, so with this pick the Islanders essentially cut out all of the developmental risk with picking Golyshev.
 

doublechili

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The bolded is correct, but that question with 4th rounders is usually closer to "Will this player develop enough to be a pro hockey player?", whereas in this case the question is "Can we get him signed and will he be able to overcome his size issues?".

In today's NHL, size is starting to become irrelevant if you can skate and are willing to go to the dirty areas, so with this pick the Islanders essentially cut out all of the developmental risk with picking Golyshev.

Yeah, agreed. I like this pick and figure the Isles were not expecting him to last another 15 picks, hence the trade-up.
 

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