2016 Draft Thread – Host: Buffalo – Lottery: April 30th – Part 2

[Doug Prishpreed]

I think Chyrchrun's 'lack of production' is being pretty wildly overstated. He's at .72 PPG in his draft year (same as Juolevi). Ekblad .91. Nurse had .60. Murray .67. Griffin Reinhart .62. Is it Eklbad domination? No. But it's pretty damn good compared to other D that have been drafted high out of juniors. Also, obviously +/- is a far from perfect stat, but the way he completely turned that around says something about his 'stats.'

Mr. "Lack of Production" had 4 assists tonight. I think Buffalo takes him and runs. He seems to have the speed of Hannifin, the size and physical play of Ekblad, though less skill than both, which is fine.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Wasn't Fowler's drop character related? Chychrun's drop seems to be more concerns about his hockey IQ.

No it doesn't. IQ is one of his string suits - I have no idea where you get your garbage assessments from. Also, he's barely dropping at all. 4 assists tonight. Almost every point you make about the draft is incorrect, year after year.

 

[Husko]

His "drop" has as much to do with the emergence of the Fins as to do with anything he is doing wrong, IMO.

 

[Husko]

The thing that surprised me the most about Dineen was that he isn't part of those Dineens (Bill, Kevin, Gord, Peter).

If he was people would have heard more about him

 

[flashsabre]

Chychrun struggled earlier in the season coming off of shoulder surgery but has ramped his game up as the season has gone on. Not making the WJC team while Matthews, Tkachuk, Laine, Pulj, Juolevi all shined for their teams probably dropped him in some people's eyes and being sick for the Top Prospect's game may have hurt in some eyes as well but the kid is a stud and the Sabres should run to the podium to draft him anywhere outside the top 3.

The kid is almost like Eichel playing defence. A physical freak with tremendous speed and athleticism. He plays well all over the ice and Chychrun-Risto would set the team up beautifully for their playoff runs in a couple years.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Jame]

When I watch Chychrun this year, I'm reminded of reinhart when he was sent down in his post draft year. I see a guy who is working on the finer points in his game, and not simply dominating via his natural ability.

I think that's been mistaken for a lack of development, or a drop off. It's not.

He's going straight to the NHL... And it looks like he is going to fall right in our laps

 

[Samsonite23]

When I watch Chychrun this year, I'm reminded of reinhart when he was sent down in his post draft year. I see a guy who is working on the finer points in his game, and not simply dominating via his natural ability.

I think that's been mistaken for a lack of development, or a drop off. It's not.

He's going straight to the NHL... And it looks like he is going to fall right in our laps

Stop getting my hopes up.

 

[Chainshot]

Fowler dropped after people started trying to find holes to poke in his game after being the top-ranked d-man all season long. The forwards had a run and Fowler dropped. I expect something similar to happen here and Chychrun is a helluva consolation to whoever he winds up with.

 

[is the answer jesus]

When I watch Chychrun this year, I'm reminded of reinhart when he was sent down in his post draft year. I see a guy who is working on the finer points in his game, and not simply dominating via his natural ability.

I think that's been mistaken for a lack of development, or a drop off. It's not.

He's going straight to the NHL... And it looks like he is going to fall right in our laps

Hatcher has been trying to rein Chychrun in a bit trying to teach him to be more defensively sound and more responsible in his own end. That, combined with his recovery from the shoulder injury has resulted in him having some moments where he looks off, along with a bit of a dip in his offensive #'s. I have very few reservations about this kid, If we're picking outside the top 3 he's my guy.

 

[Jame]

Hatcher has been trying to rein Chychrun in a bit trying to teach him to be more defensively sound and more responsible in his own end. That, combined with his recovery from the shoulder injury has resulted in him having some moments where he looks off, along with a bit of a dip in his offensive #'s. I have very few reservations about this kid, If we're picking outside the top 3 he's my guy.

Yup.

Although I'm probably still the loner on the island that would lean Chychrun at #2 (or ideally trade down a spot). Need is my determining factor at the top.

 

[Woodhouse]

About time you guys started to circle back to Chychrun, as in my viewings, he seems to be pretty consistent with those possession driving zone entries that Sportsnet noted Eichel and Hall for, plus typically adds an assist or two. You were worrying me there with all the negativity, as I see none. Give me.

 

[Husko]

Yup.

Although I'm probably still the loner on the island that would lean Chychrun at #2 (or ideally trade down a spot). Need is my determining factor at the top.

Not a loner

 

[Husko]

The one caveat to Chyrchrun dropping... Assuming Edmonton finishes behind us and we don't jump them... Surely, surely, surely... they surely won't pass up on the top Dman for a winger, again, right...?

 

[is the answer jesus]

The one caveat to Chyrchrun dropping... Assuming Edmonton finishes behind us and we don't jump them... Surely, surely, surely... they surely won't pass up on the top Dman for a winger, again, right...?

Guess it depends where they ultimately end up. If it's between Tkachuk and Chychrun, I think it's a certainty they go defense. Puljujarvi or Chychrun? They might just go with Puljujarvi. Never underestimate how much the Oilers love their forwards. Lol

 

[Jame]

About time you guys started to circle back to Chychrun, as in my viewings, he seems to be pretty consistent with those possession driving zone entries that Sportsnet noted Eichel and Hall for, plus typically adds an assist or two. You were worrying me there with all the negativity, as I see none. Give me.

Hey, I've been here all along

 

[EichHart]

The one caveat to Chyrchrun dropping... Assuming Edmonton finishes behind us and we don't jump them... Surely, surely, surely... they surely won't pass up on the top Dman for a winger, again, right...?

Yeah, Edmonton is taking Chyrchrun if they pick before us which is highly likely.

 

[Woodhouse]

MNHSL sectionals have wrapped up tonight .. Tufte and Blaine were upset days ago, but he did add a goal and 3 SOG tonight with Fargo/USHL .. Mattson and Grand Rapids won 7AA and advanced to state, while Graham and Eden Prairie won 2AA and Jette and Farmington won 1AA .. below is Stillwater's 4AA OT GWG, but Cates is a junior and 2017 eligible I think:

 

[Chainshot]

Hey, I've been here all along

Hehe...

 

[Der Jaeger]

About time you guys started to circle back to Chychrun, as in my viewings, he seems to be pretty consistent with those possession driving zone entries that Sportsnet noted Eichel and Hall for, plus typically adds an assist or two. You were worrying me there with all the negativity, as I see none. Give me.

Never left the SS Chychrun, my man!

 

[Der Jaeger]

When I watch Chychrun this year, I'm reminded of reinhart when he was sent down in his post draft year. I see a guy who is working on the finer points in his game, and not simply dominating via his natural ability.

I think that's been mistaken for a lack of development, or a drop off. It's not.

He's going straight to the NHL... And it looks like he is going to fall right in our laps

Said this a few days ago. Physically, he's ready. I think he's mentally ready as well.

A Chychrun - Pysyk combo sounds good to me.

 

[signalIInoise]

The way the TDL works year after year, IMO, even if it's not an area of need, you should stockpile top D as an investment. Everyone always needs top defensemen, and they almost always bring in a sweet return. If you have a surplus of good defensemen, you can backfill the rest of your roster with trade chips from other teams.

 

[TehDoak]

The way the TDL works year after year, IMO, even if it's not an area of need, you should stockpile top D as an investment. Everyone always needs top defensemen, and they almost always bring in a sweet return. If you have a surplus of good defensemen, you can backfill the rest of your roster with trade chips from other teams.

It hasn't worked all that great for Nashville

Without the skill up front, a deep defense doesn't get you that far.

I don't disagree with your main point about good d-men being currency, but, I think depth from the back end is more important as it lets you develop d-men in the AHL (see Detroit and Dallas) rather than rush them to the NHL (see us, re: Risto, Zadorov, and McCabe).

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Yup.

Although I'm probably still the loner on the island that would lean Chychrun at #2 (or ideally trade down a spot). Need is my determining factor at the top.

Same.

 

[Der Jaeger]

It hasn't worked all that great for Nashville

Without the skill up front, a deep defense doesn't get you that far.

I don't disagree with your main point about good d-men being currency, but, I think depth from the back end is more important as it lets you develop d-men in the AHL (see Detroit and Dallas) rather than rush them to the NHL (see us, re: Risto, Zadorov, and McCabe).

Different conditions. Nashville isn't close to having the center depth Buffalo has.