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EspenK

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jackets4life said:
I'm no armchair GM but these deals being proposed seem way out of touch with reality. The only one close to me is the Hartnell-Theodore swap. I don't see us getting an additional pick though being realistic.

I value Theodore more than I do Hartnell at this point in his career (especially when you consider the state of this franchise as it stands) but I could definitely see Bob Murray thinking Hartnell might be the piece that puts the Ducks in serious contention for the Cup. It's a deal I think you have to do if you're in that spot. Perry and Getzlaf aren't going to play forever and now is the time to pull out all the stops.

EDIT: Then again...looking at the cap situation in Anaheim, I'm not seeing how this is feasible. Signing Vatanen, Lindholm, and Andersen (not to mention a much larger cap hit for Despres next year) will be difficult enough. Adding Hartnell's salary is just unrealistic, even in the sure situation where Perron walks.
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I'm not sure what the internal budget is for the Ducks but I think they could do it if they want to. You are basically swapping Hartnell's money for Perron & Stewart and put a bit in the bank. The 3 guys you mention are RFA's so advantage Anaheim. I think the odds are slim it happens more because I don't think they want to give up Theodore than cap reasons.
 
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You guys can drop the Theodore discussion. He's much too impressive to consider moving for short term gain. If anything we can save money by trading Vatanen and replacing him with Theo.
 
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I would Do something around Vatanen and Hartnell. I know Vatanen is another RFA but it would provide another upgrade to the back end.
 
CBJWerenski8

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Dion phaneuf to Ottawa. Wow

#Sens get Phaneuf, Frattin, Bailey, Rupert and Donaghey in exchange for Cowen, Greening, Michalek, Lindberg and 2nd-rounder in 2017.
 
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Johansen2Foligno

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I wonder if they did that because Karlsson called out management as being a budget team

I hope the Blue Jackets one up them
 
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Viqsi said:


Consider the source, but... :(
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Jackets couldn't have done what Leafs did with all the contracts/money coming back. Plus Phaneuf is a better player for the contract than Tyutin is now. So yeah, I'd have loved to move Fedor... I wonder what that would have looked like with Sens. Nothing like this though.
 
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Double-Shift Lassé said:
Jackets couldn't have done what Leafs did with all the contracts/money coming back. Plus Phaneuf is a better player for the contract than Tyutin is now. So yeah, I'd have loved to move Fedor... I wonder what that would have looked like with Sens. Nothing like this though.
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All true. If I were a Sens fan I'd be breathing a sigh of relief at that comment. Still, tho - grar.
 

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WannabeFinn said:
It's a pretty good deal for Ottawa IMO. Dumped their worst contracts and addressed their biggest need.

Karlsson-Methot
Phaneuf-Ceci

That's a pretty good top 4.
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I don't get it. Michalek and Cowen match Phaneuf's salary, but they would have come off the books after next season. Phaneuf is around until 2021 at $7 million.
 
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RedStorm45 said:
I don't get it. Michalek and Cowen match Phaneuf's salary, but they would have come off the books after next season. Phaneuf is around until 2021 at $7 million.
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Yeah. Ottawa added a top 4 D that's locked into a contract with term. They fit his salary in by moving out garbage in the form of Cowen, Greening, and Michalek (somewhat).

I'm not saying this trade is a home run for Ottawa. I do think it currently sits in their favor though, and it primes their blueline for some postseason runs over the next few years. Hopefully, for Ottawa, Phaneuf's productivity will increase now that he isn't the go-to guy on a terrible team like he was with the Leafs. Kind of what we hope/hoped would happen to JJ once we acquired Jones.
 

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You have to wonder if Karlsson forced the Sens to do this. Phaneuf's contract is going to be negative value for long after all the other contracts in the deal are expired.
 

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WannabeFinn said:
Yeah. Ottawa added a top 4 D that's locked into a contract with term. They fit his salary in by moving out garbage in the form of Cowen, Greening, and Michalek (somewhat).

I'm not saying this trade is a home run for Ottawa. I do think it currently sits in their favor though, and it primes their blueline for some postseason runs over the next few years. Hopefully, for Ottawa, Phaneuf's productivity will increase now that he isn't the go-to guy on a terrible team like he was with the Leafs. Kind of what we hope/hoped would happen to JJ once we acquired Jones.
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Phaneuf has been playing second pair for the Leafs this year, with easier competition. And he's playing better. I used his example to argue that the Jackets should acquire someone like Jones so they could make things easier for JJ.
 

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Let's cool it. They're not doing Vatanen for Hartnell either. Value is still way off.
 
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