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Stop this nonsense already, the 1rst you won't get, the 2nd you DON'T wanna get. This is getting tiresome & as much as i like Drouin's potential there's no way in hell we're getting him at this point in time.
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Stop this nonsense already, the 1rst you won't get, the 2nd you DON'T wanna get. This is getting tiresome & as much as i like Drouin's potential there's no way in hell we're getting him at this point in time.
Yakupov is going to be an infinitely better option than running Kunitz, Comeau, or Dupuis out there. He would be our second best winger.
Though I would much prefer to try and pry Eberle away or one of the Detroit wingers.
From what I've seen, no not really. I mean, he'd be a guarantee to produce with Malkin. Putting a player with a shot like his with a playmaker like Malkin would definitely let the player produce. However, at the same point, we should be looking for players who don't just produce because of who they play with. Without a playmaking center, Yakupov is a 30 point player. He can't create offense on his own other than using his speed on the outside sometimes (it sometimes works).
I'm not so sure how much he'd produce here along Malkin, there is a lot of hockey IQ that goes into knowing where to go to be an effective trigger man on a line and I don't think Yakupov has that.
That's not saying much. He's also not even close to being better than Perron.
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More often than not, **** happens to Jim Rutherford. JJ's clearly a good player who JR not only gave up for nothing, he was compelled to eat salary on.
He has always been a ****** GM. This is not a new development. Rutherford trying to distance himself from a stupid move is not out of the ordinary. The guy literally tried to distance himself from every stupid move he made in Carolina in his introductory Pittsburgh press conference. Unless "the unseen hand" has been forcing him to make dumb decisions for the last decade, his problem is a lack of personal competence and accountability, not his environment.
At worst, he has bad ideas about hockey trades and signings. At best, he's regularly convinced to go along with bad ideas about hockey trades and signings. Either way, the bad idea smell follows him around like he fell down in bad idea sewage and rolled around in it.
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Bennett Brauer
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I know we want to get younger, but it will be tough to acquire two young top 6 forwards, hell it will be tough to even acquire one but I think we can manage a trade for at least one.
I really think we should try hard to sign Justin Williams, he is no long term solution but the idea is to have him be a stop gap until Kapanen is ready and I think he will be a great fit with Malkin. He also has a history of being a great playoff player. As long as it's 2 or 3 years max, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Williams is two years younger than Kunitz so we'd technically be getting younger, right?
I just think it's a right move to help our team now and so we don't rush Kapanen. If we acquire two young wingers, we're paying a huge price and we're not leaving much room for Kapanen in the future (unless he's traded in a package for a winger).
I really think we should try hard to sign Justin Williams, he is no long term solution but the idea is to have him be a stop gap until Kapanen is ready and I think he will be a great fit with Malkin. He also has a history of being a great playoff player. As long as it's 2 or 3 years max, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Williams is two years younger than Kunitz so we'd technically be getting younger, right?
I just think it's a right move to help our team now and so we don't rush Kapanen. If we acquire two young wingers, we're paying a huge price and we're not leaving much room for Kapanen in the future (unless he's traded in a package for a winger).The issue with signing Williams is that he definitely would want a long term deal, and we simply can't afford to give him that due to his age. I really don't want to jump into the UFA market, but if I had to, I'd only want Stafford or Frolik.
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And he signed a pretty "cheap contract". They would be crazy to move him now, unless a team overpays.
Trading Letang for Drouin is idiotic and it would in no way fit Tampa's salary structure. That would destroy any chance of them retaining their core.
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If he wants a long term deal then we definitely shouldn't be interested. However, if he's willing to sign a 3 year deal, we should sign him. A free top 6 winger who has stayed healthy and makes an impact when it matters most. Then it gives us a reason not to rush Kapanen.
Not sure if I want Stafford, definitely don't want Frolik. If we were looking for a RW for Sid, I would say Stafford but I wouldn't want him or Hornqvist with Mallkin.
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I know that none of us has any idea what Sutter's real value is to the teams around the league, but JR doesn't seem to have a very good track record with getting good value in trades for anyone.
Still, getting him off the team and getting something for him is better than locking him in for 5+mil a year before he's an UFA. That would be far worse.
No way Saad comes here, but can you imagine if JR traded Pouliot, Maatta and Kapanen for him then gave him a 7mil a year contract? that seems like a JR move
Still, getting him off the team and getting something for him is better than locking him in for 5+mil a year before he's an UFA. That would be far worse.
No way Saad comes here, but can you imagine if JR traded Pouliot, Maatta and Kapanen for him then gave him a 7mil a year contract? that seems like a JR move
I know that none of us has any idea what Sutter's real value is to the teams around the league, but JR doesn't seem to have a very good track record with getting good value in trades for anyone.
Still, getting him off the team and getting something for him is better than locking him in for 5+mil a year before he's an UFA. That would be far worse.
No way Saad comes here, but can you imagine if JR traded Pouliot, Maatta and Kapanen for him then gave him a 7mil a year contract? that seems like a JR move
JR stated Maatta is part of our core. He only wants to add to that core. I'd be worried about Pouliot for Sharp.
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I know we want to get younger, but it will be tough to acquire two young top 6 forwards, hell it will be tough to even acquire one but I think we can manage a trade for at least one.
I really think we should try hard to sign Justin Williams, he is no long term solution but the idea is to have him be a stop gap until Kapanen is ready and I think he will be a great fit with Malkin. He also has a history of being a great playoff player. As long as it's 2 or 3 years max, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Williams is two years younger than Kunitz so we'd technically be getting younger, right?
Absolutely don't want Spaling centering our third line. Put him on the fourth or trade his ass.
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I'm not saying bringing in Yakupov is the right move. But we need production, and we need it pretty badly. I would be perfectly happy with one of our wing acquisitions providing little beyond production, especially if he's fast.
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I disagree with the bolded (agree with everything else). There isn't a commandment from the NHL offices that says "if a playoff contender, thou shalt trade 2nd-4th round picks every year for mediocre rentals". I already listed all of Tampa's impact players and how a lot of them were drafted in the 2nd or later rounds.
Many of those were draft choices the Penguins could have made.
I believe the problem is 4 fold:
1. They don't draft enough forwards relative to the number on the roster compared to defensemen.
2. Bad at identifying NHL forwards in the draft (especially in later rounds). Bennett is all they've drafted in 9 years (Kapanen may be number 2).
3. Trading away too many picks at the deadline for mediocre rentals.
4. Not giving the young players they do draft and develop enough opportunity to shine in the NHL and give up on them too quickly.
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He would just be a stop gap until Sundqvist was ready, however I like the idea of moving Spaling for a draft pick and signing Eric Fehr for the 3C position.
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Yakupov gets a bad rep around here. The Oilers horribly mishandled him, but that doesn't take away his skill level. His release is one of the best in the league.
For a team that's hurting for both wingers and youth, I'm not sure why so many here are vehemently against him.
For a team that's hurting for both wingers and youth, I'm not sure why so many here are vehemently against him.
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Drouin isn't being traded. 100%. And honestly right now I don't think Yakupov or any of the Oil's big young forwards are getting traded as they'll want to see who gels with McDavid and how things shape up chemistry-wise.
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Totes! + Yuk-apov's leeching 'abilities' is NOT what our team needs.
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My original post was a reply to this:
That post drew a line between the 2004 Cup win and this year's Cup Final appearance, and was what I've been referring to.
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