2015 NHL Re-Draft #15

[LeonTheKing]

#1: Connor McDavid
#2: Jack Eichel (76,4%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-re-draft-2.2529815/
#3: Matthew Barzal (53%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-3.2529921/
#4: Ivan Provorov (70%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-4.2529989/
#5: Mitch Marner (45,8%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-5.2530157/
#6: Zach Werenski (45%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-6.2530375
#7: Mikko Rantanen (39%)- https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-7.2530609
#8: Brock Boeser (53,1%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-8.2530897/
#9: Sebastian Aho (78,5%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-9.2531593
#10: Kyle Connor (47,8%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-10.2531847
#11: Noah Hanifin (57,6%)- https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-11.2532089
#12: Travis Konecny (57,3%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-12.2532311
#13: Jake DeBrusk (65,3%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-13.2532497/
#14: Thomas Chabot (25,6%) - https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-14.2532631/
#15:

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[Devils Dominion]

I wonder if Zacha will even finish in the Top-30

 

[hamzarocks]

Went with Meier again. He should have gone 13th and could rise as high as 10 if he hit his potential. Strome, beau, Dunn, dermott, and carlo are my next five.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Carlo for me. Big smooth RHD with high upside aren't as common as Meier and Strome.

 

[wintersej]

Strome, Carlo, Beauvillier and Meier in some order (probably that order). Went Strome here. Least proven, but he can be a #1C. Other guys have ceilings lower than that.

 

[wintersej]

Bruins rightfully get crap over who they didn't pick in 2015. In the end having two guys in DeBrusk and Carlo end up being in the mid first in a re-draft make it less disastrous.

And thankfully they got guys who would be top 3 in 2014 and 2016 re-drafts.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Strome, Carlo, Beauvillier and Meier in some order (probably that order). Went Strome here. Least proven, but he can be a #1C. Other guys have ceilings lower than that.

What makes Carlo better than Dermott? Carlo was a negative GAR player and isn't very good at all.

 

[c4rdsh4rk]

tough to not take a goalie prospect as good as samsonov at this point. a good bet to be a top 15 starter with all star potential. dylan strome might have the next best potential but a bit of a risk to be considered a top line forward let alone a top 6 center. meier could be argued here as well, maybe beauvillier and roslovic as a stretch or safe pick respectively.

 

[34]

2015 was a crazy draft. One of the deepest in years. Some serious quality!

 

[wintersej]

What makes Carlo better than Dermott? Carlo was a negative GAR player and isn't very good at all.

What makes Dermott better than Gryzleck?

edit: to actually answer your question...

GAR thinks Colin Miller is a Norris candidate and that Jake Gardiner is a #1D. There are a lot of interesting insights there, but you can't understand role, and teammates and WHY with some R scripts.

Carlo has played two seasons... 1 season he saw top notch QoC pairing with Chara, the next season he was the baby sitter for Torey Krug. In both those seasons, he was a top 3 minute eater on a top 5 defensive team. His TOI on the PK is high end top pair.

Of course, just playing a lot on a good team isn't all there is to it. Carlo has been kinda just tall and soft most of his career. Good skater for his size, but super super conservative and too much of a collapser (like Julien taught him). The last few weeks of the season last year he switched to a more aggressive bent before he was injured. On the physical front, in denying zone entry and even with the puck. He will never be creative offensively, but no reason to think he can't be a 20-30 point guy if he isn't baby sitting a guy like Krug.

Things point to him being re-united with Chara this year and being told to move the puck and to not be afraid to join the rush. Bruins have been adding something new to his game every year. First top competition while being baby sat by Chara, the being the alpha dog defensively with Krug, and now trying to untap his two way game re-united with Chara.

Dermott has had a different path. He did very well last season against some very weak competition. Which is the more classic breaking in period. Bruins developed Carlo at the NHL instead of the AHL level and have had him work on different aspects of his game each season. Both teams should be excited about their young D. I just think that Carlo's physical tools give him a higher ceiling and the fact that he has played more at the NHL level leaves him more proven.

Of course, if you just want to sort D by GAR and say that Hamilton, Jeff Petry and Colin Miller are Norris contenders, there is nothing I can do to convince you.

 

[cowgirlcath]

Strome

 

[780il]

Strome, then Carlo, then Meier for me

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Strome, Beauvillier or Meier. Strome has the highest upside, but the other two are safer options since both have actually proven themselves as middle six players already (with the potential to grow).

 

[jiboy]

Went with Beauvilier , had Strome close second and then Carlo. Strome could shoot up the ranking next year but as of right now I would take a more proven Beau. ( really like his game too)

 

[lomiller1]

Strome and Roslovic are a cut about the other possible contenders talent wise. Went with Roslovic because he's done a bit more at the NHL level. Beauvillier or Meier don't produce at the same rates and just don't have the same offense talent. Carlo = lol, he has to be the most overrated D-man in the NHL at this point. His numbers look better than they really are because of the amount of time he's on the ice with players like Bergeron, Pasternak, Marchand, Krejci, etc. The problem is all these players do better when Carlo isn't on the ice with them.

 

[nickdawg95]

Add Guhle

 

[LordNeverLose]

Strome and Roslovic are a cut about the other possible contenders talent wise. Went with Roslovic because he's done a bit more at the NHL level. Beauvillier or Meier don't produce at the same rates and just don't have the same offense talent. Carlo = lol, he has to be the most overrated D-man in the NHL at this point. His numbers look better than they really are because of the amount of time he's on the ice with players like Bergeron, Pasternak, Marchand, Krejci, etc. The problem is all these players do better when Carlo isn't on the ice with them.

Beauvillier produced at a better rate than Roslovic last season in the NHL, and did so over more than twice the games.

 

[wintersej]

Strome and Roslovic are a cut about the other possible contenders talent wise. Went with Roslovic because he's done a bit more at the NHL level. Beauvillier or Meier don't produce at the same rates and just don't have the same offense talent. Carlo = lol, he has to be the most overrated D-man in the NHL at this point. His numbers look better than they really are because of the amount of time he's on the ice with players like Bergeron, Pasternak, Marchand, Krejci, etc. The problem is all these players do better when Carlo isn't on the ice with them.

This is the same guy that thinks Morgan Rielly is a replacement level d-man.

 

[major major]

My next bunch is, in order:

Beauvillier
Roslovic
Strome
Meier
Nutivaara
Dermott

Went with Meier again. He should have gone 13th and could rise as high as 10 if he hit his potential. Strome, beau, Dunn, dermott, and carlo are my next five.

Dermott has some nice upside. Carlo really doesn't. And neither has the upside of Nutivaara, who is also much better currently than all of them. When I have seen Dunn he is still not that far along.

Nutivaara is already playing like a #3D, if he was on a PP, like he was at the worlds for Finland, he would be getting much more notice around the league.

 

[major major]

Strome and Roslovic are a cut about the other possible contenders talent wise. Went with Roslovic because he's done a bit more at the NHL level. Beauvillier or Meier don't produce at the same rates and just don't have the same offense talent. Carlo = lol, he has to be the most overrated D-man in the NHL at this point. His numbers look better than they really are because of the amount of time he's on the ice with players like Bergeron, Pasternak, Marchand, Krejci, etc. The problem is all these players do better when Carlo isn't on the ice with them.

Agreed on Carlo. He is a complement not a guy who can lead a pairing, and I don't see the high upside at all. I also agree that Strome and Roslovic have more talent but Beauvillier and Meier have done more at the NHL level, which should be worth a lot given how up and down these lists can be.

This is the same guy that thinks Morgan Rielly is a replacement level d-man.

That's more accurate than most Leaf fans evaluations. Morgan Rielly has ridiculously high goals against numbers, year after year, and they want to tell me about how well he does in a shutdown role. Up a goal, he might be the worst D-man in a shutdown role in the NHL.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Dermott for me, HM to Beauvillier Meier and Nutivaara

 

[lomiller1]

Beauvillier produced at a better rate than Roslovic last season in the NHL, and did so over more than twice the games.

Beauvillier is a career 1.73 P/60. Roslovic is 2.24 P/60

 

[lomiller1]

This is the same guy that thinks Morgan Rielly is a replacement level d-man.

Nope. Never said that. You are probably confusing this with me saying he's at or near replacement level in 5v5 play, which means more or less a 4 or a weak 3 but his penalty differentiation and PP performance bring him up to being a #2ish D-man.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Beauvillier is a career 1.73 P/60. Roslovic is 2.24 P/60

Roslovic has played 32 career games and has 14 points. Kind of hard to say he's produced at a better rate based on such an incredibly small sample size, and an incredibly small actual raw production.

 

[penguindog]

Sprong should be coming up soon but it's a deep first round so hard to say.