2015 NHL Re-Draft #15

[VoluntaryDom]

Beauvillier is a career 1.73 P/60. Roslovic is 2.24 P/60

Nice sample size on Jack. Not to say he isn’t good but the dude barely played last year.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Nope. Never said that. You are probably confusing this with me saying he's at or near replacement level in 5v5 play, which means more or less a 4 or a weak 3 but his penalty differentiation and PP performance bring him up to being a #2ish D-man.

His 5v5 offense is very good despite playing against top competition nightly, you aren’t putting enough stock into QoC.

 

[Critical13]

What makes Dermott better than Gryzleck?

edit: to actually answer your question...

GAR thinks Colin Miller is a Norris candidate and that Jake Gardiner is a #1D. There are a lot of interesting insights there, but you can't understand role, and teammates and WHY with some R scripts.

Carlo has played two seasons... 1 season he saw top notch QoC pairing with Chara, the next season he was the baby sitter for Torey Krug. In both those seasons, he was a top 3 minute eater on a top 5 defensive team. His TOI on the PK is high end top pair.

Of course, just playing a lot on a good team isn't all there is to it. Carlo has been kinda just tall and soft most of his career. Good skater for his size, but super super conservative and too much of a collapser (like Julien taught him). The last few weeks of the season last year he switched to a more aggressive bent before he was injured. On the physical front, in denying zone entry and even with the puck. He will never be creative offensively, but no reason to think he can't be a 20-30 point guy if he isn't baby sitting a guy like Krug.

Things point to him being re-united with Chara this year and being told to move the puck and to not be afraid to join the rush. Bruins have been adding something new to his game every year. First top competition while being baby sat by Chara, the being the alpha dog defensively with Krug, and now trying to untap his two way game re-united with Chara.

Dermott has had a different path. He did very well last season against some very weak competition. Which is the more classic breaking in period. Bruins developed Carlo at the NHL instead of the AHL level and have had him work on different aspects of his game each season. Both teams should be excited about their young D. I just think that Carlo's physical tools give him a higher ceiling and the fact that he has played more at the NHL level leaves him more proven.

Of course, if you just want to sort D by GAR and say that Hamilton, Jeff Petry and Colin Miller are Norris contenders, there is nothing I can do to convince you.

The problem I have with Carlo is that he has no offensive upside. He could be a special player defensively, but long term, I prefer Gryz and Dermott.

 

[lomiller1]

His 5v5 offense is very good despite playing against top competition nightly, you aren’t putting enough stock into QoC.

Both received sheltered min, and QoC is highly overrated. It's not so much that QoC doesn't matter but real QoC differences are too small to matter much.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Both received sheltered min, and QoC is highly overrated. It's not so much that QoC doesn't matter but real QoC differences are too small to matter much.

Rielly by no means received sheltered minutes...

 

[Larry Lightning]

Beauvillier and Meier need to go before anyone starts discussing Dermott vs. Carlo.

 

[Critical13]

Both received sheltered min, and QoC is highly overrated. It's not so much that QoC doesn't matter but real QoC differences are too small to matter much.

Can you post some evidence of Reilly's sheltered minutes?

Dermott is an easy one, but Reilly played some very hard minutes last year. I enjoyed Dellow's article: Dellow: How Mike Babcock (and others) are sheltering...

 

[LordNeverLose]

This was my order posted back in April:
1. McJesus
2. Eichel
3. Barzal
4. Provorov
5. Rantanen
6. Werenski
7. Marner
8. Boeser
9. Aho
10. Connor
11. Hanifin
12. DeBrusk
13. Konecny
14. Beauvillier
15. Meier
16. Chabot
17. Dermott
18. Dunn
19. Carlo
20. Strome
21. Roslovic
22. Sprong
23. Zacha
24. Fischer
25. Samsonov
26. Juulsen
27. Greenway
28. Malgin
29. Eriksson Ek
30. Andersson

Looks like I forgot a few guys, namely Nutivaara, Niku and Myers. I'd probably take all 3 of them at least over JEE and Andersson and possibly more.

 

[Halla]

Don Maloney taking Strome has helped the leafs more than anyone else not in the organization

jokes aside this has to be strome next. 40-45pts this year imho

 

[DieTomi]

Next poll

 

[Bear Dad]

My next 5 after Strome in order:

1. Beauvillier
2. Meier
3. Carlo
4. Dermott
5. Roslovic

Not very high on Samsonov.