GDT: 2015 NHL Draft Lottery 8 PM EST NBC

[Kurt Cobain]

So why is everyone so against Lawson Crouse? Because he didint put up extraordinary numbers? I doubt many of you watched him play and are just stat watchers. There's a reason scouts have him ranked that high they don't do it just to confuse you. I'm really trying to understand why everyone is so against this poor kid.

 

[TheSituation]

So why is everyone so against Lawson Crouse? Because he didint put up extraordinary numbers? I doubt many of you watched him play and are just stat watchers. There's a reason scouts have him ranked that high they don't do it just to confuse you. I'm really trying to understand why everyone is so against this poor kid.

Because we need guys who put up points period. It's not rocket science.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I doubt Edmonton trades Hall. He's their best option to wing McDavid. RNH is probably who they want as 2C and that actually gives them legitimate center depth so I doubt they trade him either.

But they need defense so bad.. One of RNH or hall will be traded it just makes too much sense.

 

[glenwo2]

I think that if a team picks first overall, they shouldn't be able to pick first again for the next three drafts. Four 1st overalls in five seasons is outrageous, especially for a team that still sucks.

I can get behind this.


Too many #1 picks have ended up on the same team. This has to stop.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

At the time Schneider wasn't a band-aid



I disagree. I think the Oilers was the worst case scenario

The kid is lost up there in the great white north west, better off. However, I'm sure Buffalo and Phoenix are pretty pissed about the Oilers grabbing another first. I'm really happy for Buffalo, they still get Eichel, however, wanted McD really bad.

 

[R8Devs]

But they need defense so bad.. One of RNH or hall will be traded it just makes too much sense.

yeah but you don't create more holes to do so. Center depth is most important and you Hall is a top 10 winger trading them would hurt them a good amount. And I think at this point the Oilers know they are going to have to win by the strength of their forwards more so than anything else.

Eberle is probably the one they wouldn't mind trading but he's not what the Devils need at this point.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Because we need guys who put up points period. It's not rocket science.

OK and context matters a lot when it comes to putting up points in the chl. So you think Marner or Strome would of put up the amount of points they did of they didn't have the linemates they had in juniorss. Bo horvat wasn't even a ppg game player his draft year and that hasn't stoped him from putting up point as a rookie. Hell the guy Vancouver took with their second first round pick in 2013 put up more points that horvat in his draft year. How's he doing?

Crouse played on the third lowest scoring team in the OHL and still led them in scoring. But that means nothing to some of you and I bet a lot of you didn't know that. I bet if Crouse played with mcdavid like Strome did he would of been a 100+ point scorer, easily.

I've been coming to this site for 13 years a point production means nothing without context when it comes to prospects.

 

[AfroThunder396]

So why is everyone so against Lawson Crouse? Because he didint put up extraordinary numbers? I doubt many of you watched him play and are just stat watchers. There's a reason scouts have him ranked that high they don't do it just to confuse you. I'm really trying to understand why everyone is so against this poor kid.

1.) He's overhyped because of recent performances in small samples.
2.) It's easy to dominate the game when you've got 5 inches and 45 pounds on all the other kids your age, those players who peak physically early have a hard time transitioning to offensive success playing against equally sized men in the NHL (Bernier, Steve).
3.) The game at the NHL level is becoming less and less physical, players who rely on those attributes are becoming increasingly less useful .
4.) There are much, much better pure offensive players available that project to similar draft positions.

 

[glenwo2]

At the time Schneider wasn't a band-aid



I disagree. I think the Oilers was the worst case scenario

The Philadelphia Flyers say "hello". #middlefinger

 

[MichaelJ]

yeah but you don't create more holes to do so. Center depth is most important and you Hall is a top 10 winger trading them would hurt them a good amount. And I think at this point the Oilers know they are going to have to win by the strength of their forwards more so than anything else.

Eberle is probably the one they wouldn't mind trading but he's not what the Devils need at this point.

The Devils need a lot.

 

[Pizza Rules]

Does someone have a link to Button's mock draft?

What happened to Barzal and Zacha? I believe they were predicted top 5's at some point. Seems like no one is very high on Crouse so they might be good options?

 

[NJDevs26]

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[Tundra]

Does someone have a link to Button's mock draft?

What happened to Barzal and Zacha? I believe they were predicted top 5's at some point. Seems like no one is very high on Crouse so they might be good options?

I think Zacha was hurt, but he's projected as a first line wing who plays with sandpaper. He seems like a Marian Hossa type with 3rd line physicality.

 

[Unknown Caller]

I like Konecny better than all of Barzal, Crouse, Rantanen, etc. I thought I was crazy, but both Future Considerations and Corey Pronman have him at the top of that group. This kid is electric, and someone is going to get a steal when he slips out of the top 10.

 

[Devilsfan992]

So who is available from Edmonton now? Yakupov, Hall, RNH, Eberle, Draisatl?

 

[Unknown Caller]

Does someone have a link to Button's mock draft?

What happened to Barzal and Zacha? I believe they were predicted top 5's at some point. Seems like no one is very high on Crouse so they might be good options?

Barzal has production issues, and I'm not sure how people ignore it. He had 12 goals in 44 games this year. In comparison, Crouse had 29 in 56 and even Zacha had 16 in 37.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

1.) He's overhyped because of recent performances in small samples.
2.) It's easy to dominate the game when you've got 5 inches and 45 pounds on all the other kids your age, those players who peak physically early have a hard time transitioning to offensive success playing against equally sized men in the NHL (Bernier, Steve).
3.) The game at the NHL level is becoming less and less physical, players who rely on those attributes are becoming increasingly less useful .
4.) There are much, much better pure offensive players available that project to similar draft positions.

Well you've convinced me. What do scouts know about hockey besides 10 to 100x more hockey knowledge than you or I will ever know.

This guy doesn't have just size he has hands, speed and hockey sense that is rare in such a big body. He could literally play in the NHL next year. You act like he has no offensive ability when he scored 30 goals in 57 games on one of the lowest scoring teams in the chl. There is a reason he's ranked so high in the best draft to come around in 12 years. Lawson Crouse is gonna be a damn so hockey player for a long long time. Id compare him to a better version of jvr. A player a lot of you would trade the sixth overall pick for.

He's not my ideal pick but if we take him I won't be upset at all and a lot of you are gonna eat crow when a player you've all bad mouthed for so long shows you why he's hyped the way he's been.

 

[R8Devs]

yea but in total he has 57 points in 44 games and his team isn't that great production wise either. it's not like he's a goalscorer, he's a playmaker. regardless for me I think it's Strome/Marner if they fall and if not Rantanen or Provorov is fine with me.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

1.) He's overhyped because of recent performances in small samples.
2.) It's easy to dominate the game when you've got 5 inches and 45 pounds on all the other kids your age, those players who peak physically early have a hard time transitioning to offensive success playing against equally sized men in the NHL (Bernier, Steve).
3.) The game at the NHL level is becoming less and less physical, players who rely on those attributes are becoming increasingly less useful .
4.) There are much, much better pure offensive players available that project to similar draft positions.

One more thing would you take zacha over Crouse? A guy who's been extremely disappointing offensively. But a player a lot of people on this site seem to want .

 

[R8Devs]

One more thing would you take zacha over Crouse? A guy who's been extremely disappointing offensively. But a player a lot of people on this site seem to want .

I don't think Crouse is going to be a bad player or whatever but where the Devils are they might have to take a chance that can probably produce better. I don't want the Devils to pick Zacha at the spot either but I wouldn't mind if they do I'm just wondering how he can be extremely disappointing offensively when he also the same PPG as Crouse, it's his first year in the OHL, and it's not like his team was lighting it up.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I don't think Crouse is going to be a bad player or whatever but where the Devils are they might have to take a chance that can probably produce better. I don't want the Devils to pick Zacha at the spot either but I wouldn't mind if they do I'm just wondering how he can be extremely disappointing offensively when he also has basically the same PPG as Crouse, it's hist first year in the OHL, and it's not like his team was not lighting it up either.

I'll have a problem if they take Crouse over Marner or Strome but there arent any other players who are clearly more of an offensive threat than Crouse. Maybe barzal but he's a playmaker and can't score a goal to save his life. We need goal scorers no more pass first players.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I don't think Crouse is going to be a bad player or whatever but where the Devils are they might have to take a chance that can probably produce better. I don't want the Devils to pick Zacha at the spot either but I wouldn't mind if they do I'm just wondering how he can be extremely disappointing offensively when he also the same PPG as Crouse, it's his first year in the OHL, and it's not like his team was not lighting it up either.

I don't think he's been extremely disappointing, that was harsh on my part, but he has been disappointing considering but he hype he had, but why does he get a free pass when Crouse doesn't. They've basically put up the same numbers. Although I'd say Crouse has put up slightly better numbers. I also don't buy the whole first year in the OHL thing. At this age talent is always gonna win out there's such a dramatic difference in talent between first rounders and guys who won't get drafted at all in the chl.

 

[Devil X]

One more thing would you take zacha over Crouse? A guy who's been extremely disappointing offensively. But a player a lot of people on this site seem to want .

I think the thing with Zacha is that he just came over and just started playing NA hockey and did ok. If he had put up more points he might be in the Strome Marner area (perhaps).

 

[MichaelJ]

One more thing would you take zacha over Crouse? A guy who's been extremely disappointing offensively. But a player a lot of people on this site seem to want .

Calling Zacha extremely disappointing is a bit of an overstatement and it's no shock that he's had some growing pains adjusting to the NA game. His skillset translates more into what the Devils need.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I think the thing with Zacha is that he just came over and just started playing NA hockey and did ok. If he had put up more points he might be in the Strome Marner area (perhaps).

I'm sorry but I can't agree with that sentiment. Highly touted euros come to the chl every year and puyt up big numbers. Look at provorov this year. If anything zachas lack of production should be a major red flag even if it is his first year when you consider all the hype he had. He was as highly touted as Marner and Strome. Two guys a lot of people consider to be first overall picks had they been born a different year.