Speculation: 2015 NHL Deadline Rumor Thread III

healthyscratch · Feb 28, 2015

Because of having one year remaining on his contract, Coburn won't be sought after for a playoff rental and non-playoff teams won't need him. If he gets moved it won't be by Monday but in the offseason.

whitstifier · Feb 28, 2015

healthyscratch said:
Because of having one year remaining on his contract, Coburn won't be sought after for a playoff rental and non-playoff teams won't need him. If he gets moved it won't be by Monday but in the offseason.

I have a hard time believing that the extra year would be a problem.

BackToTheBrierePatch · Feb 28, 2015

I still don't think they are going to trade Coburn.
Of course I didn't think Timonen would be dealt so wtf do I know.

healthyscratch · Feb 28, 2015

whitstifier said:
I have a hard time believing that the extra year would be a problem.

The cap isn't going up much next year. Most playoff teams are up against it, I don't think he's that good for teams to acquire the extra year against their cap going forward.

whitstifier · Feb 28, 2015

healthyscratch said:
The cap isn't going up much next year. Most playoff teams are up against it, I don't think he's that good for teams to acquire the extra year against their cap going forward.

I don't really understand the logic of this argument. The going rate on the open market for defensemen of Coburn's pedigree is much higher than what Coburn currently earns. That extra year would for sure be highly valued by teams with cap space. Where do you think teams interested in Coburn will get defensive help in the offseason? Trade or UFA? Why not make a move now to secure the roster, in part, for now and next season?

Curufinwe · Feb 28, 2015

healthyscratch said:
The cap isn't going up much next year. Most playoff teams are up against it, I don't think he's that good for teams to acquire the extra year against their cap going forward.

That's why I think Anaheim makes the most sense. They have room.

LegionOfDoom91 · Feb 28, 2015

Coburn's good enough to where the extra year won't matter. It really comes down to whether the return outweighs holding onto him going into the upcoming offseason.

Hextall likely has a price in mind & he won't move off it since he doesn't have to right now.

healthyscratch · Feb 28, 2015

whitstifier said:
I don't really understand the logic of this argument. The going rate on the open market for defensemen of Coburn's pedigree is much higher than what Coburn currently earns. That extra year would for sure be highly valued by teams with cap space. Where do you think teams interested in Coburn will get defensive help in the offseason? Trade or UFA? Why not make a move now to secure the roster, in part, for now and next season?

I agree but most of the teams with room don't need him by Monday. Most playoff teams are up against the cap and are looking for rentals. And there's no rush for non-playoff teams to trade for him by Monday.

WastedTalent · Feb 28, 2015

healthyscratch said:
The cap isn't going up much next year. Most playoff teams are up against it, I don't think he's that good for teams to acquire the extra year against their cap going forward.

This argument doesn't make sense. If you are trading for a guy because you think he'll legitimately help you win a cup in the year you trade for him, why would it matter that he's got an extra year left? That's like the team trading for Coburn is saying "ok we think Coburn will help us win a cup this year, but we aren't trading for him because even if we win the cup it'll leave us in worse cap shape for the following year". It makes no sense

LegionOfDoom91 · Feb 28, 2015

I don't really think we see much trades tomorrow but damn hopefully we get some surprises on Monday as almost every rumored player has been moved already. :laugh:

whitstifier · Feb 28, 2015

LegionOfDoom91 said:
Coburn's good enough to where the extra year won't matter. It really comes down to whether the return outweighs holding onto him going into the upcoming offseason.

Hextall likely has a price in mind & he won't move off it since he doesn't have to right now.

I think his price is at the highest it will be. Can't imagine it going up in the offseason. Sell now.

LegionOfDoom91 · Feb 28, 2015

whitstifier said:
I think his price is at the highest it will be. Can't imagine it going up in the offseason. Sell now.

Draft weekend gets GM's all itchy as well. I don't think it's imperative to move Coburn right now.

healthyscratch · Feb 28, 2015

Wayne Train said:
This argument doesn't make sense. If you are trading for a guy because you think he'll legitimately help you win a cup in the year you trade for him, why would it matter that he's got an extra year left? That's like the team trading for Coburn is saying "ok we think Coburn will help us win a cup this year, but we aren't trading for him because even if we win the cup it'll leave us in worse cap shape for the following year". It makes no sense

You clearly missed the part of my post that said "I don't think he's good enough for teams to acquire the extra year".

ETA: I just read this on twitter: "If all the rentals are gone by tomorrow, teams may have look at players with term". Maybe it's possible if someone gets desperate.

whitstifier · Feb 28, 2015

LegionOfDoom91 said:
Draft weekend gets GM's all itchy as well. I don't think it's imperative to move Coburn right now.

Yeah, true... All these firsts getting thrown around just gets me really excited. :laugh:

I can't imagine it'd get as crazy as it is right now.

whitstifier · Mar 1, 2015

Posted this on the main board. What about Coburn to Tampa for their 2015 1st and two 3rds?

healthyscratch · Mar 1, 2015

whitstifier said:
Posted this on the main board. What about Coburn to Tampa for their 2015 1st and two 3rds?

I'd take it and run, no chance Stevie Y offers that though.

whitstifier · Mar 1, 2015

healthyscratch said:
I'd take it and run, no chance Stevie Y offers that though.

I think the agreed on price is late 1st plus a B prospect. A high 3rd and a low 3rd together about equals a B prospect, right?

achdumeingute · Mar 1, 2015

healthyscratch said:
Because of having one year remaining on his contract, Coburn won't be sought after for a playoff rental and non-playoff teams won't need him. If he gets moved it won't be by Monday but in the offseason.

in that case we should be offering to retain salary.

Buying a 2015 first is better than a 2016 first.

PALE PWNR · Mar 1, 2015

Retain 1.5 on Coburn, that puts him at 3 mil for TB, same deal. We dont take salary back

Psuhockey · Mar 1, 2015

healthyscratch said:
Because of having one year remaining on his contract, Coburn won't be sought after for a playoff rental and non-playoff teams won't need him. If he gets moved it won't be by Monday but in the offseason.

The extra year will limit the number of teams that would be interested in him but not every playoff team is in cap trouble for next year either. Without capgeek, it is hard to see what teams have going into next season but I believe Calgary could easily fit him since their big name guys don't need to be signed until 2016.

If I had a guess, I think the issue is the price. Hextall probably wants at least a 1st with a plus. The teams that haven't moved their 1st round pick probably don't want to. Calgary isn't guaranteed a playoff spot and still rebuilding. Yzerman said his 1st round picks are off the table. Bob Murray has a reputation of being hard to trade with in that he always has to clearly win the deal so to speak.

healthyscratch · Mar 1, 2015

whitstifier said:
I think the agreed on price is late 1st plus a B prospect. A high 3rd and a low 3rd together about equals a B prospect, right?

Sounds logical. I'd rather draft the b level guys though, don't want anyone else's middling AHLers.

jka* · Mar 1, 2015

We could trade Coburn for Gustavsson Phi-Det trial or Rinne for Gustavsson for Coburn one trial with Phi-Pre-Wings. One world class finnish goalie for us in eastern series and Wings need Coburn(again?) and Gustavsson to Predators. Rinne have five year left before he ending career and it is in Flyers I hoped one five year contract 3.5+3.5+4+4+5 million Dollar per year I hoped. 20 million dollar deal in five year contract for one great finnish goalie. Yeah.

healthyscratch · Mar 1, 2015

Be careful out there, the photoshops are starting!!!

Prongo · Mar 1, 2015

jka said:
We could trade Coburn for Gustavsson Phi-Det trial or Rinne for Gustavsson for Coburn one trial with Phi-Pre-Wings. One world class finnish goalie for us in eastern series and Wings need Coburn(again?) and Gustavsson to Predators. Rinne have five year left before he ending career and it is in Flyers I hoped one five year contract 3.5+3.5+4+4+5 million Dollar per year I hoped. 20 million dollar deal in five year contract for one great finnish goalie. Yeah.

What did I just read?

GKJ · Mar 1, 2015

jka said:
We could trade Coburn for Gustavsson Phi-Det trial or Rinne for Gustavsson for Coburn one trial with Phi-Pre-Wings. One world class finnish goalie for us in eastern series and Wings need Coburn(again?) and Gustavsson to Predators. Rinne have five year left before he ending career and it is in Flyers I hoped one five year contract 3.5+3.5+4+4+5 million Dollar per year I hoped. 20 million dollar deal in five year contract for one great finnish goalie. Yeah.

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