Speculation: 2015 NHL Deadline Rumor Thread III

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[WastedTalent]

If Hextall can somehow (obviously it's not a very likely scenario) get rid of at least 2 of: Vinny, MacDonald, Grossman, Schenn then I'd consider him an absolute genius. Getting rid of all 4 and I may pass out

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

If Hextall can somehow (obviously it's not a very likely scenario) get rid of at least 2 of: Vinny, MacDonald, Grossman, Schenn then I'd consider him an absolute genius. Getting rid of all 4 and I may pass out

Vinny's getting bought out in the offseason.

MacD they're stuck with.

Grossmann... now that's a tricky one. He's got a NTC but i'd be interested to know who he'd be willing to waive it for. He's probably tradable but there's not much you should expect to get back for him.

Schenn is certainly tradable as well, but again, i wouldn't expect more than maaaaybe a 3rd round pick.

 

[SchennSational1022*]

Vinny's getting bought out in the offseason.

MacD they're stuck with.

Grossmann... now that's a tricky one. He's got a NTC but i'd be interested to know who he'd be willing to waive it for. He's probably tradable but there's not much you should expect to get back for him.

Schenn is certainly tradable as well, but again, i wouldn't expect more than maaaaybe a 3rd round pick.

Vinny is not getting bought out, no way. I'd be happy with a used tampon back for Grossmann, and I don't think moving Schenn is smart.

 

[WhiskeyBoarder]

Vinny is not getting bought out, no way. I'd be happy with a used tampon back for Grossmann, and I don't think moving Schenn is smart.

Nice avi.

 

[SchennSational1022*]

Nice avi.

Wow, same to you man . There's a damn good following of Flyers down here in Tampa I must say.

 

[martz11]

Vinny is not getting bought out, no way. I'd be happy with a used tampon back for Grossmann, and I don't think moving Schenn is smart.

Schenn is far and away the worst D-man they have. He's always out of position and always has to make some stupid deke in his own zone before he passes the puck out. In other words his transition game is too slow. I'd be more than happy to move that guy. Just my view.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

Schenn is far and away the worst D-man they have. He's always out of position and always has to make some stupid deke in his own zone before he passes the puck out. In other words his transition game is too slow. I'd be more than happy to move that guy. Just my view.

He's too heavy and I don't get why anyone on the Flyers staff isn't on Schenn for being too heavy. He's not fat, he's too heavy in the sense that he's carrying too much mass for his frame. At 6'2, he should be 210 to 215 pounds, max. He's carrying 15 extra pounds on his frame and it affects everything he does on the ice. They get him down to that 210 - 215 area and his skating will be much better and his transition game will be much better. I get that he bulks up because he's a hard hitter (when he hits people), but the entire staff in Philadelphia need to get through to him to tell him that there's more to the game than hitting and his weight that he shows up at is a hinderance to what he can do. I really believe he can be an elite shut down defender if he drops the excess weight.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Bottom line, Hextall needs contracts off this team, and bodies.

If he wants there to be room for kids, he needs to allow space.

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

He's too heavy and I don't get why anyone on the Flyers staff isn't on Schenn for being too heavy. He's not fat, he's too heavy in the sense that he's carrying too much mass for his frame. At 6'2, he should be 210 to 215 pounds, max. He's carrying 15 extra pounds on his frame and it affects everything he does on the ice. They get him down to that 210 - 215 area and his skating will be much better and his transition game will be much better. I get that he bulks up because he's a hard hitter (when he hits people), but the entire staff in Philadelphia need to get through to him to tell him that there's more to the game than hitting and his weight that he shows up at is a hinderance to what he can do. I really believe he can be an elite shut down defender if he drops the excess weight.

At some point you've got to wonder if the tough, in-your-face style of Luke hinders his own development. I know he is proud to be tough as nails but even Luke should have realized how much he lacks in mobility. He can't be this stubborn, can he?

 

[kelmitchell]

At some point you've got to wonder if the tough, in-your-face style of Luke hinders his own development. I know he is proud to be tough as nails but even Luke should have realized how much he lacks in mobility. He can't be this stubborn, can he?

I was thinking the same thing, do you think if he lost 15-20 lbs he could still physical and gain the speed he lacks

 

[Prongo]

Luke Schenn just sucks guys. Make any excuses you want, we have seen it first hand for a while now. He is just not good.

I am still tracking Boychuk with the Islanders. If we figure out some way or reason to move Grossmann, Schenn and Coburn this off season or at the deadline, I still want to target him. I know I know, no more free agents. I don't believe we should avoid all free agents because of prior managements mistakes, Boychuk would immediately be our #1. You put him with Morin or even Ghost and in two years you have a legit first pairing hopefully. He is going to get 6-36 probably but if we manage to clear cap space I wouldn't hesitate getting into his bidding.

 

[Curufinwe]

But then we won't have room for ROR.

 

[Prongo]

But then we won't have room for ROR.

Hmmmm. You're right. Maybe a trade of L.Schenn+B. Schenn+another asset for him. I know ROR and Schenn are producing at the same level I just like his defense and overall game much more. I think he could be a 60 point winger consistently for that top line.

Or as I proposed in the last thread.

MacDonald+B. Schenn+Hagg

For

ROR+2/3rd rounder

Also, I put a disclaimer on the other post. We don't ask questions, both teams just do it. Great deal!

 

[Jtown]

prongo, i agree schenn does suck. However boychuk is 31. I would not feel comfortable extending him unless we were able to move macdonald.

 

[OrangeAndBlackMetal]

Schenn isnt great, but he's still better and more reliable than Grossmann. I'd take him over MacDonald too. He's a decent guy to have for a 3rd pairing.

On the draft; I do like Kylington's upside, but i think Werenski, Provorov and Roy are all safer prospects. From a D perspective, I'd take them in this order

Hanifin
Werenski
Roy
Kylington
Provorov

I like Provorov, but i'm just not as big of a fan of his long term upside as the guys ahead of him. Still think he's a safer bet than Kylington, but i think Kylington's ceiling is higher.

 

[BackWithaVengeance]

Schenn isnt great, but he's still better and more reliable than Grossmann. I'd take him over MacDonald too. He's a decent guy to have for a 3rd pairing.

On the draft; I do like Kylington's upside, but i think Werenski, Provorov and Roy are all safer prospects. From a D perspective, I'd take them in this order

Hanifin
Werenski
Roy
Kylington
Provorov

I like Provorov, but i'm just not as big of a fan of his long term upside as the guys ahead of him. Still think he's a safer bet than Kylington, but i think Kylington's ceiling is higher.

I don't know about Roy. His play in his own end worries me. If we pick top 10 there are better options. Is he a gifted player? Definetly. But I believe the other defenders are the safer picks. I think he'll be chosen between 15-30 when all is said and done.

Actually I wouldn't mind if Hextall trades our first rounder + b-prospect to Winnipeg in exchange for their two firsts (15th overall and 28th overall for example). They already have a great prospect pool and may entertain the idea to draft higher but once in the first round.

With the two picks I'd go after one more defender and a forward. Depends on who is left something like

Roy/Carlo/Meloche for D (mind you all three are right-handed defenceman) + Meier/Konecny/Bittner/Connor as a F

is something I would be very happy to see.

 

[Curufinwe]

Trading back from around #9 and getting two first rounders would be fine by me. Roy + Meier would be a nice haul.

 

[Hiesenberg]

Trading back from around #9 and getting two first rounders would be fine by me. Roy + Meier would be a nice haul.

Yes, if the talent drop off is big enough, Hextall can make up for lacking a 2nd rounder by having 2 1st's

 

[FLYguy3911]

I'll take my chances in the top 10. The top 10-12 is pretty clear cut.

 

[klutch]

If Hextall can somehow (obviously it's not a very likely scenario) get rid of at least 2 of: Vinny, MacDonald, Grossman, Schenn then I'd consider him an absolute genius. Getting rid of all 4 and I may pass out

If Hex got rid of all 4 I'd consider him the best bull****ter salesman in history. Everyone's grandchildren would be reading about him in history books. But I think the greatest chance of moving someone may be coburn. Not that I like/dislike him its just he will want a contract we are not in the position to give out and other teams would want someone like him for playoffs. If we had the cap room i actually wouldn't mind resigning him as much. However, out of the 4 you mentioned I'd like Schenn to go because he's almost invisible out there until you see his visible mistakes (alot). Grossman is just as bad but he has a better "in front of the net physical game" than Schenn. Besides, Gross only has 1 more year left than its bye bye

 

[Prongo]

If the rumors that Vinny is looking at playing for only one more year after this year we might have a chance to move him. Grossmann might be a good trade candidate for a team who is looking to add a stay at home guy and missed out on him in free agency. Schenn is the same deal. MacDonald has no chance I believe. It's going to be near impossible to trade that contract if he continues his play.

I think a team like Florida would take Vinny at 1 million retained after his July bonus kicks in. He wouldn't be owed that much more and gives that young team a veteran leader who has been through the ropes to win a championship. I don't think that is too farfetched. Especially if he does intend to retire after next year.

 

[Prongo]

The rumor mills have been quite quiet though. Two major trades but other than that we have simple speculation or a couple rumors here and there. Nothing major from the big national reporters that is at least.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Schenn isnt great, but he's still better and more reliable than Grossmann. I'd take him over MacDonald too. He's a decent guy to have for a 3rd pairing.

On the draft; I do like Kylington's upside, but i think Werenski, Provorov and Roy are all safer prospects. From a D perspective, I'd take them in this order

Hanifin
Werenski
Roy
Kylington
Provorov

I like Provorov, but i'm just not as big of a fan of his long term upside as the guys ahead of him. Still think he's a safer bet than Kylington, but i think Kylington's ceiling is higher.

I think Provorov will be long gone before our pick, and probably the second defensemen gone

I'm not really crazy about the little I've seen/heard for Kylington in terms of translating into the NHL. Provorov seems like he could translate great to the NHL.

 

[Rebels57]

Schenn is far and away the worst D-man they have. He's always out of position and always has to make some stupid deke in his own zone before he passes the puck out. In other words his transition game is too slow. I'd be more than happy to move that guy. Just my view.

No, he's not.

He's had a much better season than both MacDonald and Grossmann, and he's much younger than both of them to boot.