2015 Draft Thread "McEichel" Part 3

BakedBuffalo · Jan 9, 2015

Bps21 said:
Let's just use the term franchise instead of generational. That's what everyone's meaning is. Like how teams have good #1Cs and some lucky teams have Franchise Cs. And that is different.

Yea, I prefer that term. Doesn't sound as outlandish

Paxon · Jan 9, 2015

joshjull said:
Did anyone argue otherwise?

Is there not an argument over whether or not Marner is on Eichel's level? Guess maybe I misunderstood while scanning it.

Zman5778 · Jan 9, 2015

Rob Paxon said:
Is there not an argument over whether or not Marner is on Eichel's level? Guess maybe I misunderstood while scanning it.

JJ was trying to gauge the gap in skill between the two.

I don't think anyone is trying to argue that Marner is on Eichel's level.....i

haseoke39 · Jan 9, 2015

Rob Paxon said:
The thing about "generational" is that, though it's nebulous and overlapping, a generation is roughly a 20 year span. Crosby, Malkin and Ovechkin were drafted about 10 years ago. Probably best to just say we have two top-end elite prospects in this draft, the best 1-2 punch in 10 years. The more one thinks about it the more it seems silly to use the term when Crosby still has another 10 years of playing left.

The way we use these terms should probably be democratic, so I'm fine if people disagree with me, but I personally think the term generational in sports terms ought to apply to a once-a-decade talent, because a decade is the outer limit for how long a player is typically in their prime. The most impactful years of two such players will scarcely overlap by those terms. If you use the 20 year measure, then the NHL would only be able to claim what, 4 bordering on 5 generational players? Take the top 4-5 players in league history, and there would probably be extended gaps in league history when none of them were at their peak.

But I have no problem with people who prefer the term be used differently, it's more a matter of taste than anything.

Beerz · Jan 9, 2015

haseoke39 said:
The way we use these terms should probably be democratic, so I'm fine if people disagree with me, but I personally think the term generational in sports terms ought to apply to a once-a-decade talent, because a decade is the outer limit for how long a player is typically in their prime. The most impactful years of two such players will scarcely overlap by those terms. If you use the 20 year measure, then the NHL would only be able to claim what, 4 bordering on 5 generational players? Take the top 4-5 players in league history, and there would probably be extended gaps in league history when none of them were at their peak.

But I have no problem with people who prefer the term be used differently, it's more a matter of taste than anything.

Agree. I use it as the level of the player personally. I don't really take into account a time frame. Just that they're a rare player.

Knightnight · Jan 9, 2015

Zman5778 said:
JJ was trying to gauge the gap in skill between the two.

I don't think anyone is trying to argue that Marner is on Eichel's level.....i

I believe the gap between the top 2 and many others in the first is much closer than people think. The hype is definitely not close. But at the start of the year did anyone truly believe Marner and stroke would be having the year they are so far. If stroke improves his skating and Marner gains 20 lbs and 2 inches that gap closes even more. When all of these young men are 22 to 24 will be the true test. And I am sure others to will develop vastly. How much bigger stronger faster do you think the top 2 have left in them. Hard when judging 17 year olds

Zman5778 · Jan 9, 2015

Beerz said:
Agree. I use it as the level of the player personally. I don't really take into account a time frame. Just that they're a rare player.

I should be more careful with how I use the terms.

Eichel is a franchise talent.

McDavid, IMO, is generational.

Zman5778 · Jan 9, 2015

Knightnight said:
I believe the gap between the top 2 and many others in the first is much closer than people think.

So are you high on guys like Strome and Marner........or do you not think that McDavid and Eichel are all that special?

If it's the latter, please explain......

KennyFnPowers* · Jan 9, 2015

Not sure if anyone has proposed this question before... but HYPOTHETICALLY:

If the Sabres did get #1/2 overall in the Lottery... Is there any possible package (Ex: both STL+NYI 1st, 1 Fwd + 1 Def prospects, maybe through in a 2nd/3rd...) that could get them the 3rd or 4th overall to land Marner or Strome?

Would it even make sense? Or would it be better to target someone like Crouse at a cheaper rate?

I know there was similar banter over Dal Cole last year... Just wondering if this would be a good idea this year around, going all in on high-end talent (knowing next year will almost certainly be a > bottom 10 finish heading into the draft).

joshjull · Jan 9, 2015

Rob Paxon said:
Is there not an argument over whether or not Marner is on Eichel's level? Guess maybe I misunderstood while scanning it.

No. I asked what the gap was between them. Basically to get a gauge on how close or far away Marner is viewed in relation to Eichel. That somehow turned into the battle that followed.

Paxon · Jan 9, 2015

KennyFnPowers said:
Not sure if anyone has proposed this question before... but HYPOTHETICALLY:

If the Sabres did get #1/2 overall in the Lottery... Is there any possible package (Ex: both STL+NYI 1st, 1 Fwd + 1 Def prospects, maybe through in a 2nd/3rd...) that could get them the 3rd or 4th overall to land Marner or Strome?

Would it even make sense? Or would it be better to target someone like Crouse at a cheaper rate?

I know there was similar banter over Dal Cole last year... Just wondering if this would be a good idea this year around, going all in on high-end talent (knowing next year will almost certainly be a > bottom 10 finish heading into the draft).

No team is gonna trade from #3 all the way down to #22 or whatever the highest of our other 1st rounders is. It's just too far.

joshjull said:
No. I asked what the gap was between them. Basically to get a gauge on how close or far away Marner is viewed in relation to Eichel. That somehow turned into the battle that followed.

Got it. I was scanning the thread backwards.

Zman5778 · Jan 9, 2015

KennyFnPowers said:
Not sure if anyone has proposed this question before... but HYPOTHETICALLY:

If the Sabres did get #1/2 overall in the Lottery... Is there any possible package (Ex: both STL+NYI 1st, 1 Fwd + 1 Def prospects, maybe through in a 2nd/3rd...) that could get them the 3rd or 4th overall to land Marner or Strome?

Would it even make sense? Or would it be better to target someone like Crouse at a cheaper rate?

I know there was similar banter over Dal Cole last year... Just wondering if this would be a good idea this year around, going all in on high-end talent (knowing next year will almost certainly be a > bottom 10 finish heading into the draft).

Unless either the Isles and/or Blues back up into the teens draft-position wise, it's not going to happen. And even if one of them backed up into the teens, it's still not likely.

is the answer jesus · Jan 9, 2015

Zman5778 said:
Unless either the Isles and/or Blues back up into the teens draft-position wise, it's not going to happen. And even if one of them backed up into the teens, it's still not likely.

Yup. Maybe we could get our way back into the top 10. Back up to 3 or 4? Not happening.

Ralonzo · Jan 9, 2015

Ummm... NHLN: Where is Erie vs London?

Samsonite23 · Jan 9, 2015

Ralonzo said:
Ummm... NHLN: Where is Erie vs London?

Came to post the same thing. I just switched over to it and it's says it's on, but for some reason it's nhl on the fly.

Edit: just came on.

Ralonzo · Jan 9, 2015

They just picked up the Erie-London feed. First shift McDavid splits the D and draws a penalty.

Notables:
Erie (white) McDavid #97, Baptiste #14, Strome #19
London (green) Domi #16, Marner #93

ForsakenSabre · Jan 9, 2015

Marner on the pk was diving in front of shots in a 0-0 game. Does he always play like that?

Ralonzo · Jan 9, 2015

Even if I didn't know that Marner is guy who looks like Kane out there, I would have figured it out on that first power play. Here comes another one.

ZeroPT* · Jan 9, 2015

JAMG said:
Marner on the pk was diving in front of shots in a 0-0 game. Does he always play like that?

Also notable to say that his stick was broken on the kill. He really couldn't do much so he just launched himself at the puck a couple times

EDIT: Gorgeous defensive play on the point of the PP. Stopped a breakaway with good positioning

Ralonzo · Jan 9, 2015

McDavid with that elite top gear banks one in off the goalie on a backhand wrap.

1972 · Jan 9, 2015

McDavid just scored a video game like wrap around.

Samsonite23 · Jan 9, 2015

Mcjesus being Mcjesus.

ZeroPT* · Jan 9, 2015

jesus christ McDavid

ZeroPT* · Jan 9, 2015

Strome with a brilliant feed.
3-0

Samsonite23 · Jan 9, 2015

Marner is really showcasing his all around game.

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