Rumor: 2015-2016 Season Trade Rumours & Proposals | Part V

[topshelf15]

And you're acting like it's absolutely bizarre to play the off wing.its not. Some players actually prefer it.

Every winger prefers it ,hense they crisscross at the blueline .More net to shoot at in the offensive zone ,but in the defensive zone they dont want players playing pucks off the boards on their backhand .This reasoning is very simple ,its to make it easier to not only gain posession of the puck in the dzone, but also to make plays out of the dzone

 

[topshelf15]

You are the one that is mistaken, I've played long enough and at a high enough level that I know how positions work, I honestly can't believe you are still defending this.

I'm sorry to tell you, you do seem like you have no idea. I'm certainly not over admitting I'm wrong, I am wrong many, many times. This is not one of them, you are 100% wrong.

You can say you learn things in peewee, that's fine. You also learn that things that you learn in peewee don't apply at higher levels.

You are full of it ,go look at 100 lw and 100 rw ,then come back and tell me that which way they shoot has no bearing on which side of the ice they play on

 

[BondraTime]

I've got to give up the arguments with you, it's like slamming your head into a wall dozens of times expecting a different outcome. It's fine, you win, I have no idea what I'm talking about and you know the ins and outs much better than me (which you very well could).

 

[Micklebot]

A left handed shooter that plays wing ,is more than likely a LW .You learn that in peewee dude

Right, but it doesn't mean they can't play RW.

This year, here's a list of players listed as playing their off wing

]Lefthanded playing RW|Right handed playing LW
Jaromir Jagr | Filip Forsberg
Marian Hossa | Christian Thomas
Pascal Dupuis | Taylor Beck
Johan Franzen | David Perron
Rene Bourque | Andrew Desjardins
Alexandre Burrows | Blake Comeau
Martin Havlat | Alexander Semin
Marian Gaborik | Thomas Vanek
Scottie Upshall | Joffrey Lupul
Loui Eriksson | Patrick Sharp
Brad Richardson | Shawn Thornton
Michael Grabner |
James Neal |
Mats Zuccarello |
Michael Frolik |
Patrick Kane |
Josh Bailey |
Gustav Nyquist |
Jakub Voracek |
Gabriel Bourque |
Jordan Caron |

It's not that uncomon. Some very good players do it as well. (off note, our own Hossa played RW as a Lefthanded shot, and is considered one of the best two way wingers in the league, and Havlat, another former sen, was playing RW for us, despite the team having too many Right wingers ahead of him).

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I don't know about anyone else, but when I played (very looooow level and a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away) the wingers would often switch. In the defensive end you'd be on your correct (stick) side, and in the offensive end and on powerplays you'd cross over with the other winger and be on the off-side for nice one-timers and heavy shots.

 

[topshelf15]

I've got to give up the arguments with you, it's like slamming your head into a wall dozens of times expecting a different outcome.

Because you dont know what you are talking about ,offensive comes from defense Whether thats stripping a puck ,knocking down a clearing attempt etc .You play the left side if you are a LW to create offense from defense, or in simple words when you dont have the puck .Because when you are on your forehand this is far easier to do. Than if you are on your backhand

 

[topshelf15]

I don't know about anyone else, but when I played (very looooow level and a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away) the wingers would often switch. In the defensive end you'd be on your correct (stick) side, and in the offensive end and on powerplays you'd cross over with the other winger and be on the off-side for nice one-timers and heavy shots.

Exactly,defense always comes first

 

[topshelf15]

Right, but it doesn't mean they can't play RW.

This year, here's a list of players listed as playing their off wing

]Lefthanded playing RW|Right handed playing LW
Jaromir Jagr | Filip Forsberg
Marian Hossa | Christian Thomas
Pascal Dupuis | Taylor Beck
Johan Franzen | David Perron
Rene Bourque | Andrew Desjardins
Alexandre Burrows | Blake Comeau
Martin Havlat | Alexander Semin
Marian Gaborik | Thomas Vanek
Scottie Upshall | Joffrey Lupul
Loui Eriksson | Patrick Sharp
Brad Richardson | Shawn Thornton
Michael Grabner |
James Neal |
Mats Zuccarello |
Michael Frolik |
Patrick Kane |
Josh Bailey |
Gustav Nyquist |
Jakub Voracek |
Gabriel Bourque |
Jordan Caron |

It's not that uncomon. Some very good players do it as well. (off note, our own Hossa played RW as a Lefthanded shot, and is considered one of the best two way wingers in the league, and Havlat, another former sen, was playing RW for us, despite the team having too many Right wingers ahead of him).

Iam not saying it doesnt happen ,hell Lindros could stick handle and shoot either way .It just not normally preferable ,because of the defensive issues it can lead too

 

[BondraTime]

Because you dont know what you are talking about ,offensive comes from defense Whether thats stripping a puck ,knocking down a clearing attempt etc .You play the left side if you are a LW to create offense from defense, or in simple words when you dont have the puck .Because when you are on your forehand this is far easier to do. Than if you are on your backhand

I do know what I'm talking about though, and I can tell when someone doesn't. But again, it's over, you win, we're both anonymous posters no point in debating backgrounds.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Because you dont know what you are talking about ,offensive comes from defense Whether thats stripping a puck ,knocking down a clearing attempt etc .You play the left side if you are a LW to create offense from defense, or in simple words when you dont have the puck .Because when you are on your forehand this is far easier to do. Than if you are on your backhand

He was working for a team in the Q.

I think he knows his stuff.

 

[topshelf15]

I do know what I'm talking about though, and I can tell when someone doesn't. But again, it's over, you win.

You dont seem to though ,are you sure you understand why a winger that is left handed .Is usually found on the left side .Or are you going to continue berating or talking to me as if iam clueless

 

[topshelf15]

He was working for a team in the Q.

I think he knows his stuff.

I dont care ,everything i said is 100% accurate

 

[Micklebot]

Because you dont know what you are talking about ,offensive comes from defense Whether thats stripping a puck ,knocking down a clearing attempt etc .You play the left side if you are a LW to create offense from defense, or in simple words when you dont have the puck .Because when you are on your forehand this is far easier to do. Than if you are on your backhand

But there are so clearly many exceptions. Hossa is one of the premier 2way wingers, and will probably be in the HHOF, and has played his entire career at RW despite being left handed. Kane is tearing up the league from his off wing. Frolik is a defensive specialist, playing his off wing. Havlat and Gaborik offensive specialists that played their off wing.

Some players are very effective, and sometimes more effective, playing the off wing. There are advantages and disadvantages to doing it, and theres only about 10-15% of the league that does it, but it's not taboo, or a reason to stay away from that player. If he's effective doing it, that's all that matters.

 

[BondraTime]

You dont seem to though ,are you sure you understand why a winger that is left handed .Is usually found on the left side .Or are you going to continue berating or talking to me as if iam clueless

I have no idea how positions work.

 

[Babych Moustache]

What if a player used a straight blade, and switched 'hands' often... what position would they play? Hockeydb gives me nothing... Could the expert please let me know?

 

[Babych Moustache]

I dont care ,everything i said is 100% accurate

Accuracy! Hooray! Now... what about accurate punctuation...

 

[topshelf15]

But there are so clearly many exceptions. Hossa is one of the premier 2way wingers, and will probably be in the HHOF, and has played his entire career at RW despite being left handed. Kane is tearing up the league from his off wing. Frolik is a defensive specialist, playing his off wing. Havlat and Gaborik offensive specialists that played their off wing.

Some players are very effective, and sometimes more effective, playing the off wing. There are advantages and disadvantages to doing it, and theres only about 10-15% of the league that does it, but it's not taboo, or a reason to stay away from that player. If he's effective doing it, that's all that matters.

I have agreed, there have been some great players that are skilled enough to pull it off.But its not the norm ,as far as player tearing it up from their off wing .Thats usually the biggest determining factor right there ,because if you cant light it up from your offwing in the Ozone .You probably couldnt find a coach that would be willing to let you play there

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I dont care ,everything i said is 100% accurate

Okay so you've admitted it can be done. So why can't it be done with players this thread has mentioned? Eriksson, shattebkirk. Maybe those are the guys that can do t. And do it effectively

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I have agreed, there have been some great players that are skilled enough to pull it off.But its not the norm ,as far as player tearing it up from their off wing .Thats usually the biggest determining factor right there ,because if you cant light it up from your offwing in the Ozone .You probably couldnt find a coach that would be willing to let you play there

Maybe Loui erikssen is the guy man.

 

[topshelf15]

I have no idea how positions work.

Well you seemed quite sure i didnt ,in fact claiming that Loui Eriksson having his closest selke finish playing his ,off wing as listed .When in fact he was on he natural side as a left handed shooter

 

[topshelf15]

Maybe Loui erikssen is the guy man.

He would be ,the only mistake i made was assuming he was a right handed shooter .When i saw him listed as a RW .When in fact he is a left handed shooter,listed as a RW

 

[topshelf15]

What if a player used a straight blade, and switched 'hands' often... what position would they play? Hockeydb gives me nothing... Could the expert please let me know?

Iam no expert ,but its pretty common knowledge

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He would be ,the only mistake i made was assuming he was a right handed shooter .When i saw him listed as a RW .When in fact he is a left handed shooter,listed as a RW

So. You are fine with him playing the right side then.

 

[KingK]

I would do --->

Chabot + for Drouin. However I would not add Lazar as the +... I think Lazar is going to be a great player and we should hold onto him. Chabot on his own could potentially net Drouin. Chabot + 2nd.. if they want Lazar its just to fleece us. Just offer Chabot + 2nd and let it sit... they want Chabot. Yzerman will wake up one day and say F*** it... and execute that trade IMO.

Reason I would trade Chabot is because he can't help us right now and we can always draft / trade for another D. In fact since Chabot would take "X" time to develop, it actually gives us "X" time to trade for / sign an impact D because Chabot wouldn't have been ready for us anyways until "X".. In other words nothing really happened minus trading the asset (Chabot) for a potential top line winger drafted 3rd overall. (Of course Chabot would be cost controlled, thats always a factor)

Our current methods ARE NOT WORKING. Why people are afraid to make a trade is beyond me.. how many YEARS OF KARLSSON IN HIS PRIME ARE WE WILLING TO WASTE?

I understand we need DEFENSE! Unfortunately CHABOT is not going to help us #1 - Make the playoffs this year, or probably next year either... DROUIN will.

Keep in mind DROUIN would eventually / immediately get TOP SIX MINUTES and FIRST LINE PP here. He would BE HAPPY HERE.

 

[topshelf15]

So. You are fine with him playing the right side then.

Why play him there though ??as pilgore pointed out his best all around season was him playing on the left side.