GDT: 2015-16 Training Camp and Preseason Thread: Part III

tigervixxxen · Sep 28, 2015

I saw with my own eyes what Grigs can do when he looks good. I also watched quite a bit of footage on him last year with buffalo and Rochester. It's there, just needs time to put it together.

5280 · Sep 28, 2015

iceberg said:
I wonder how much of his lack of development had to do with Buffalo jerking him around and how much it may have to do with Grigorenko's inability to adapt to a more physical game.

You know, even though you are getting a fair amount of **** here, I think this is a valid question. The answer is, who really knows..... but there really is only one way to find out, and it is to wait and watch how he does this year. I definitely go on the high end of games we should wait until it takes him to figure it out. It does sound to me like Buffalo screwed with his development, the question to me is "How much?"

henchman21 · Sep 28, 2015

RockLobster said:
I don't think anyone necessarily has "sky high hopes" about him, but rather are looking at it as he's a rookie. He's 21, has had a poor (understatement) development track with Buffalo, and now he's playing for the coach that got the most out of him in the QMJHL. He may still not amount to anything worthwhile at the NHL level, but we won't know that after even 30 games. He'll need to be given a long look to determine where exactly he's at.

He needs to flash at times early in the season. He can't prove himself in the first half of the season, but he can bury himself if he plays very poorly.

The Kingslayer · Sep 28, 2015

tigervixxxen said:
I saw with my own eyes what Grigs can do when he looks good. I also watched quite a bit of footage on him last year with buffalo and Rochester. It's there, just needs time to put it together.

Hope hes not one of those guys that has all the tools but has a Fisher- Price tool box.

henchman21 · Sep 28, 2015

The Kingslayer said:
Hope hes not one of those guys that has all the tools but has a Fisher- Price tool box.

I'd say his toolbox is perfectly fine (very smart player)... to me, the question is more of the mentality.

5280 · Sep 28, 2015

RockLobster said:
I don't think anyone necessarily has "sky high hopes" about him, but rather are looking at it as he's a rookie. He's 21, has had a poor (understatement) development track with Buffalo, and now he's playing for the coach that got the most out of him in the QMJHL. He may still not amount to anything worthwhile at the NHL level, but we won't know that after even 30 games. He'll need to be given a long look to determine where exactly he's at.

Hell, I do for some reason, well maybe not "sky" high, but for some reason I think he came to the best place for his development.

Asset management seems to be the hot topic of the day. I think this is definitely an instance of good asset management IMO.

The Kingslayer · Sep 28, 2015

henchman24 said:
I'd say his toolbox is perfectly fine (very smart player)... to me, the question is more of the mentality.

he needs to go see a Duchenes shrink lol

agentblack · Sep 28, 2015

It seems like from the posts Greg starts games off slowly but gets better which to me says he needs to get more mentally prepared, which can be done via coaching and experience. If he were the other way (starting strong but slowing down) that would suggest he needs more conditioning

Iceberg · Sep 28, 2015

I understand someone with that much talent will get a longer leash, for obvious reasons. But i don't completely agree with the notion he is like a rookie because Buffalo screwed with him.

But obviously we'll have to wait and see how it goes here.

And that's the problem for me, the real season can't get here soon enough.

henchman21 · Sep 28, 2015

iceberg said:
I understand someone with that much talent will get a longer leash, for obvious reasons. But i don't completely agree with the notion he is like a rookie because Buffalo screwed with him.

How about he gets a break because he is 21 and for many players that is their rookie season. Young players (even supertalented ones like MacK) need to be given a bit of a leash when they are breaking into the league... they need to figure out how they can succeed.

flyfysher · Sep 28, 2015

iceberg said:
I understand someone with that much talent will get a longer leash, for obvious reasons. But i don't completely agree with the notion he is like a rookie because Buffalo screwed with him.

But obviously we'll have to wait and see how it goes here.

And that's the problem for me, the real season can't get here soon enough.

I don't think you'd say Duchene or MacKinnon were established vets after one season of play much less have an expectation for them to play like such. Even Sacco didn't screw up Duchene's development that much (though I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd have done so).

InjuredChoker · Sep 28, 2015

henchman24 said:
How about he gets a break because he is 21 and for many players that is their rookie season. Young players (even supertalented ones like MacK) need to be given a bit of a leash when they are breaking into the league... they need to figure out how they can succeed.

grigorenko is actually 28 so he either needs to play like star in next preseason game or we lost the ROR trade.

Cousin Eddie · Sep 28, 2015

InjuredChoker said:
grigorenko is actually 28 so he either needs to play like star in next preseason game or we lost the ROR trade.

I'm glad somebody understands. I'm sick of all this overhyping our players ********.

INSERT SARCASM EMOJII

flyfysher · Sep 28, 2015

InjuredChoker said:
grigorenko is actually 28 so he either needs to play like star in next preseason game or we lost the ROR trade.

Hopefully you're being sarcastic. Mikhail Grigorenko born May 16, 1994 (age 21)

henchman21 · Sep 28, 2015

flyfysher said:
Hopefully you're being sarcastic. Mikhail Grigorenko born May 16, 1994 (age 21)

Don't you know that his birthdate is a lie? :naughty:

Cousin Eddie · Sep 28, 2015

flyfysher said:
Hopefully you're being sarcastic. Mikhail Grigorenko born May 16, 1994 (age 21)

He actually pitched in the Little League World Series like 15 years ago at age 17.

Avsboy · Sep 28, 2015

In Russia, 21 is Grigorenko years old.

Iceberg · Sep 28, 2015

henchman24 said:
How about he gets a break because he is 21 and for many players that is their rookie season. Young players (even supertalented ones like MacK) need to be given a bit of a leash when they are breaking into the league... they need to figure out how they can succeed.

The points presented are all valid, i get he is only 21.

But i worry when i see that the flaws he is showing are similar to the ones that made him drop his draft year.

And i agree with what you said, i also believe it is more about the mentality.

bidzey* · Sep 28, 2015

all this talk about Grigorenko, anyone considered he may be simply a little sensitive to moving from Buffalo to Colorado. Nothing to do with hockey directly, but life itself. God know I hate moving... with a passion.

EdAVSfan · Sep 28, 2015

iceberg said:
The points presented are all valid, i get he is only 21.

But i worry when i see that the flaws he is showing are similar to the ones that made him drop his draft year.

And i agree with what you said, i also believe it is more about the mentality.

Please tell me about the flaws that made him drop in his draft year, that he is showing now. I'm genuinely curious.

5280 · Sep 28, 2015

iceberg said:
I understand someone with that much talent will get a longer leash, for obvious reasons. But i don't completely agree with the notion he is like a rookie because Buffalo screwed with him.

But obviously we'll have to wait and see how it goes here.

And that's the problem for me, the real season can't get here soon enough.

to that. I am dying.

henchman21 · Sep 28, 2015

iceberg said:
The points presented are all valid, i get he is only 21.

But i worry when i see that the flaws he is showing are similar to the ones that made him drop his draft year.

And i agree with what you said, i also believe it is more about the mentality.

Kovalev had flaws to his game for his whole career as well. It didn't stop him from being a very good NHL player. IMO Grigs skill set is easily good enough right now to allow him to be a solid top 6 NHL player for a long time... it is about his finding the way to adapt it to the NHL game. That either comes with time or it doesn't. As of now, he simply hasn't had enough time. He needs to flash that he can make the transition, but he doesn't need to do more than that right now.

5280 · Sep 28, 2015

bidzey said:
all this talk about Grigorenko, anyone considered he may be simply a little sensitive to moving from Buffalo to Colorado. Nothing to do with hockey directly, but life itself. God know I hate moving... with a passion.

From what I've seen he is living it up. Looked like he was having a good time with Varly and Zadorov at the Broncos game the other day.

5280 · Sep 28, 2015

henchman24 said:
Kovalev had flaws to his game for his whole career as well. It didn't stop him from being a very good NHL player. IMO Grigs skill set is easily good enough right now to allow him to be a solid top 6 NHL player for a long time... it is about his finding the way to adapt it to the NHL game. That either comes with time or it doesn't. As of now, he simply hasn't had enough time. He needs to flash that he can make the transition, but he doesn't need to do more than that right now.

bidzey* · Sep 28, 2015

18007 said:
From what I've seen he is living it up. Looked like he was having a good time with Varly and Zadorov at the Broncos game the other day.

OK, he's lousy then!
just kidding

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