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twabby said:
Honestly Eric Staal at the same price as Lars Eller seems like a better option at 3C. It's not like Staal's 35, he's 31 and still puts up decent point totals and crushes possession. Yeah he stank with NY, but over a larger sample he is still very effective.
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And wouldn't have cost 2 2nds
 
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Ovechkins Wodka said:
And wouldn't have cost 2 2nds
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Just heard his interview. He wasn't going to come here and play no PP time/10-14 mins. He wanted a bigger role. Deservedly so. I'm sure Staal has a lot of pride.

Remember, it's not about getting a bargain guy in the bottom 6. That's hard to do. Players know Caps have a lot of talent and there's probably zero PP time when they come here and they'll be slotted on 3rd or 4th line. Not sure it's a good business move for someone who feels they're really good to come into that role here on a low contract unless they're older and really, really want to win now - but GMBM on record said he won't have a 35 year old take a spot for a younger guy - so I don't see it happening.

We're going to end up signing a 4th liner that knows his role is 4th line for the Caps. Sucks, but what it is. GMBM isn't going to do anything difference making b/c that's not his style.
 
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Zero high end moves/zero first rd picks for real talent additions prove that.
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I think you may have misunderstood his comments. He didn't say they were going all in he simply said that they had a 2 year window with the existing key roster guys because of how certain important guy's contract expiration dates lined up.
 
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CapitalsCupFantasy said:
You really wanna play hardball with your players over 500K a year? To what end result gained? Wilson just had a year where he took a step forward and instead you feel like they should put the screws to him instead of rewarding him?

Seems you're stuck on the 'comparables' part. 23 points is 23 points...



Stands to reason that $2 was likely a common ground both sides settled on. Wouldn't surprise me if Wilson asked for $2.5, the Caps offered $1.5 and they settled in the middle.

Let's not pretend the Caps are going to let 500k keep them from making a separate good deal if the opportunity presents itself.
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If the Caps initial offer was $1.5M then it's terrible opening offer. Your opening offer should be substantially less than what you value a player at. Their opening offer should have been his QO, or very slightly above, and eventually they should have met in the middle somewhere around $1.25M to $1.5M. They overpaid and $500k-$750k means a lot to this team.

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He wants to play big minutes.

That's what he's saying right now on TV.
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Yeah I saw that too, guess Staal to Washington wasn't an option because he'd be a clear #3 here.
 
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twabby said:
If the Caps initial offer was $1.5M then it would be a terrible opening offer. Their opening offer should have been his QO, or very slightly above, and eventually they should have met in the middle somewhere around $1.25M to $1.5M. They overpaid and $500k-$750k means a lot to this team.



Yeah I saw that too, guess Staal to Washington wasn't an option because he'd be a clear #3 here.
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Yeah, Wilson is a mid first rd pick who was making 1.35 million. You can't offer him 1.5 after his entry level contract or it's basically a insult. You have to at least show some faith in your first rd picks - so 2 million is fine. Trust me... Wilson see Forsberg who was picked like 4 picks ahead of him getting 6x6.... he wants to do more.
 
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CapitalsCupFantasy said:
You really wanna play hardball with your players over 500K a year? To what end result gained? Wilson just had a year where he took a step forward and instead you feel like they should put the screws to him instead of rewarding him?

Seems you're stuck on the 'comparables' part. 23 points is 23 points...
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You don't want to play hardball with a player over a 25% change in salary? Even accepting that Wilson took a step forwards, $1.5M is a significant raise and 50% higher than his QO.

The only comparable the $2M camp is offering is Jason Zucker. If a comparable like that was used in arbitration (which Wilson didn't even have rights to), it would be easy to disprove why it's a band comp. Zucker had 13 goals last year alone. Wilson has 14 goals in his career. Zucker had a 21 goal (in 55 games) season before that, and is a 0.25 G/G, 0.36 P/G player in his career. Tom Wilson is a 0.06 G/G and 0.216 P/G player in his career. Zucker is a far more productive forward who also had much more leverage in his negotiations (he had arbitration rights) than Wilson did. He should be paid more than Wilson.

The bulk of players who earn $2M on their 2nd contracts are far more productive players than Tom Wilson. Marcus Johansson, Colin Wilson, Brandon Sutter, and Andrew Shaw all earned $2M on their 2nd contracts.
 
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Hivemind said:
You don't want to play hardball with a player over a 25% change in salary? Even accepting that Wilson took a step forwards, $1.5M is a significant raise and 50% higher than his QO.

The only comparable the $2M camp is offering is Jason Zucker. If a comparable like that was used in arbitration (which Wilson didn't even have rights to), it would be easy to disprove why it's a band comp. Zucker had 13 goals last year alone. Wilson has 14 goals in his career. Zucker had a 21 goal (in 55 games) season before that, and is a 0.25 G/G, 0.36 P/G player in his career. Tom Wilson is a 0.06 G/G and 0.216 P/G player in his career. Zucker is a far more productive forward who also had much more leverage in his negotiations (he had arbitration rights) than Wilson did. He should be paid more than Wilson.

The bulk of players who earn $2M on their 2nd contracts are far more productive players than Tom Wilson. Marcus Johansson, Colin Wilson, Brandon Sutter, and Andrew Shaw all earned $2M on their 2nd contracts.
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How is 1.5 far more than 1.35 like Wilson earned last year? A 150k raise after a entry level deal for a 1st rounder would of been insulting.

2 million is no big deal.
 
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with how much I'm seeing 3rd and 4th liners being signed for - why hasn't Winnik been traded yet???? Seems like that couldbe done easily to get that 2 mil off the books.
 
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SpinningEdge said:
Yeah, Wilson is a mid first rd pick who was making 1.35 million. You can't offer him 1.5 after his entry level contract or it's basically a insult. You have to at least show some faith in your first rd picks - so 2 million is fine. Trust me... Wilson see Forsberg who was picked like 4 picks ahead of him getting 6x6.... he wants to do more.
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Wilson made $832,500 according to General Fanager. What's wrong with giving him $1.25M-$1.5M per year? It's a 50% raise.
 
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SpinningEdge said:
How is 1.5 far more than 1.35 like Wilson earned last year? A 150k raise after a entry level deal for a 1st rounder would of been insulting.

2 million is no big deal.
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Wilson's base salary was $832,500 last year, not $1.35M. He had up to $600K in performance incentives, but we don't know if he hit them.
 
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strungout said:
I wouldn't mind a long term deal announced for Alzner today.
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Doubt it. Management's attention is likely focused on tracking the market to see who they can scoop up and in re-signing their pending RFAs.

Plus there's still the whole expansion draft thing, and the (unlikely) concept they wait until after the expansion draft to extend Alzner so they can leave him unprotected.
 
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