Game Analysis: 2014 Training Camp Part II

[NYR Viper]

Cuts coming tomorrow

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[Gardner McKay]

Cuts coming tomorrow

Who do you think will be cut?

 

[NYR Viper]

Who do you think will be cut?

I had a list in the other thread, my opinion?

Desjardins
Missaen
R. Bourque
C. Bourque
C. Mueller
Kampfer/Hunwick
Kostka
McIlrath
Allen
Haggerty
Malone/Lombardi
Hrivik
Kristo

 

[Doctyl]

are these the final cuts?

 

[Zil]

are these the final cuts?

No, they're supposedly going to cut down to 30 guys after tonight.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Just guessing who may survive this round of cuts.

D: Hunwick (earned 7th D IMO)

F: Glass, Stempniak, Lindberg, Fast, Duclair, Mueller (possible 13th forward)

Think the staff wants to see Lombardi and Malone play at least one more game before making a decision on them.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

I had a list in the other thread, my opinion?

Desjardins
Missaen
R. Bourque
C. Bourque
C. Mueller
Kampfer/Hunwick
Kostka
McIlrath
Allen
Haggerty
Malone/Lombardi
Hrivik
Kristo

Why in the world would they cut Haggerty after scoring 2 goals and an assist on an NHL goaltender who is capible, kid looks like a legit goal scorer. Atleast give him a second look before cutting him. No way we cut this kid, if he can be productive and have a positive impact on the Rangers there's no way.

 

[Made Dan]

My guesses for the cuts: Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Marek Hrivik, Danny Kristo, Chris Mueller, Ryan Potulny, Nick Tarnasky, Mat Bodie, Tommy Hughes, Stephen Kampfer, Dylan Mcilrath, Petr Zamorsky, Jason Missiaen.

Included 13 but I kind of feel that Mueller will stick around a bit longer just because he's a center. A lot could change tonight too, could see a big game from Kristo or Hrivik and see them buy themselves more time. Real interesting camp this year. I love it.

 

[Made Dan]

Is there a majority opinion for who this board wants as the 7D? Right now, I'd go with Hunwick.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I had a list in the other thread, my opinion?

Desjardins
Missaen
R. Bourque
C. Bourque
C. Mueller
Kampfer/Hunwick
Kostka
McIlrath
Allen
Haggerty
Malone/Lombardi
Hrivik
Kristo

I agree with this for the most part. I have a feeling McIlrath stays a bit longer as does Haggerty. Even though he didn't light it up in his first game (he wasn't bad by any means) I think last nights game warrants a longer look. I think Malone is definitely there to stay. Lombardi not so much.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Definite 11 cuts:

F - C Bourque, R Bourque, Tarnasky, Potulny
D - Bodie, Allen, Hughes, Kostka, Zamorsky
G - Desjardins, Missainen

Takes roster to 32 with Stepan. Leaves 1-2 additional cuts based on if the 30 includes Stepan.

Bubble players, 1-2 cut:
F - Hrivik, Kristo. Do not see Lombardi, Malone getting cut yet even if they should. Mueller has earned a shot to stick but he would be #3 for me. Lindberg, Duclair, Haggerty, Hayes, Fast all earned a longer look.
D - Kampfer, Hunwick, McIlrath. Self explanatory.

Guess: Hrivik, Hunwick. AV likes Kristo. Kampfer/Hunwick is really close to me. Think McIlrath will be given the extra experience.

 

[Fugazy]

Why in the world would they cut Haggerty after scoring 2 goals and an assist on an NHL goaltender who is capible, kid looks like a legit goal scorer. Atleast give him a second look before cutting him. No way we cut this kid, if he can be productive and have a positive impact on the Rangers there's no way.

I don't see Haggerty being cut either. Have to hold onto him a little while longer while he continues to show production.

 

[jniklast]

If the roster is trimmed to 30, I'd imagine 2 G, 10 D and 18 F. So I guess the following will stay:

G: Lundqvist, Talbot (obviously...)
D: McD, Girardi, Staal, Boyle, Moore, Klein, Hunwick, McIlrath, Allen, Kampfer
F: Nash, MSL, Brassard, MZA, Kreider, Moore, Stempniak, Hagelin, Malone, Lombardi, Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Hayes, Duclair, Haggerty, Glass, Mueller/Hrivik

 

[Miamipuck]

Based on last night I don't think Haggerty goes. He proved last night he can play in the AHL, that's for sure. Hopefully, he can show the same against real NHL competition. Last night wasn't that.

 

[Championship*]

If Tony and Ryan can show they can hang again tonight then I think they both survive this round of cuts. Hayes in the same boat as well. Personally I think Rangers open the season with this:

Kreider - Brassard - MZA
Nash - Miller - MSL
Hagelin - Moore - Stempniak
Glass - Mueller - Fast
Malone

Then D is set already with Hunwick as 7th

 

[Levitate]

maybe a bit irrelevant to the discussion of whether he stays or goes, but was just watching the Haggerty and Duclair post game interviews and Duclair looks like he has a pretty good frame and some muscle on him (you can see him in the background of the Haggerty interview). I know one concern was his size and strength...he's probably not as strong as he's going to get but his shoulders and upper body look like he can fill out pretty well and we know his legs are strong from his skating

 

[Zuccarello Awesome*]

Kreider Miller St. Louis
Duclair Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Hayes Nash
Glass Moore Fast

Mueller or Malone as the spare.

Haggerty and Lindberg as the first call-ups.


Hunwick or Kostka as the 7th D.



Must give Duclair at least 9 games.

If he goes back to juniors, then when Stepan comes back, one of Hayes/Miller slide to wing.

If he stays, then when Stepan comes back it's Miller vs Hayes as to who goes back to the AHL.

So either:

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Duclair Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Miller/Hayes Nash
Glass Moore Fast

or

Kreider Stepan St. Louis
Nash Brassard Zuccarello
Hagelin Miller Hayes
Glass Moore Fast

when Stepan returns.

 

[silverfish]

Forwards (25): Chris Bourque, Ryan Bourque, Derick Brassard, Anthony Duclair, Jesper Fast, Tanner Glass, Carl Hagelin, Ryan Haggerty, Kevin Hayes, Marek Hrivik, Chris Kreider, Danny Kristo, Oscar Lindberg, Matthew Lombardi, Ryan Malone, J.T. Miller, Dominic Moore, Chris Mueller, Rick Nash, Ryan Potulny, Martin St. Louis, Lee Stempniak, Derek Stepan, Nick Tarnasky, Mats Zuccarello

Defensemen (14): Conor Allen, Mat Bodie, Dan Boyle, Dan Girardi, Tommy Hughes, Matt Hunwick, Steven Kampfer, Kevin Klein, Michael Kostka, Ryan McDonagh, Dylan McIlrath, John Moore, Marc Staal, Petr Zamorsky

Goaltenders (4): Cedrick Desjardins, Henrik Lundqvist, Jason Missiaen, Cam Talbot

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43 there including Stepan. To get to 31 [including Step], I'd remove:

F: C. Bourque, R. Bourque, Hrivik, Kristo, Potulny, Tarnasky,
D: Allen, Bodie, Hughes, Kampfer, Zamorsky
G: Missiaen

Bolded the tough cuts for this round. I like R. Bourque's game, but he's been outplayed by other guys this camp so far. Probably better to expose him to waivers now rather than later in camp. Hrivik is another guy I like, who I think has every day NHL potential. Is it with NYR? Probably not.

Allen is a tough cut. I'm removing him over McIlrath because I want more looks at Dylan as the preseason goes on. Allen won't be on the squad as the 7D, so better to get him to Hartford now to get going with the team. Same for Dylan after one more game.

Only cutting Missiaen and not Desjardins, as I believe it would be wise to have a third goalie around so we don't have to dress Hank and Cam every game.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Nash hasn't been with zucc this whole camp/preseason why would they put them together now?

 

[a tribe cq]

Is there really any question about Hunwick not being our 7th defensemen?

I kind of feel like he should be a lock at this point.

People keep mentioning Kostka....who I think has the tools, but can't put them together.

Honestly, I'm not even settling for Hunwick either, he's kind of impressed me up till now.

 

[cwede]

after today's game, this is what i would do:
take D from 14 to 9: send Zamorsky to his Finnish team, send Bodie, Hughes, Kampfer, and McIlrath to Hartford
take F's from 25 to 17: send Duc back to Quebec, waive Malone and Lombardi to assign to hartford, demote bourque(waivers) bourque (waivers) tarnasky (waivers) potulny, kristo

maybe also kostka, if he has as bad a game tonight as he had last week

that keeps allen and hunwick and mayb kostka battiling for 7th D

17 remaining F's (really 16 with Stepan hurt:
MSL, Nash, Krieder, Zucc, Brass, hags, glass, Miller, Stemp, DMoore [IN- 10 F's
Haggerty, Fast, Hayes, Lindberg, Hrivik, Mueller, [ bubble 6 guys for 3 spots

My expectation is Hayes and Haggerty end up with HWP for top line ice time,
Lindberg makes the team, Fast, Hrivik and Mueller compete for 2 spots
People may undervalue Mueller but he's had 4 straight strong seasons, has showed some skill at both ends in preseason, earned Dallas's confidence to dress for NHL playoff games, and just led his AHL team to a championship

There is no downside to the team for Hayes and Haggerty, Malone and lombardi to start the season in Hartford

 

[cwede]

Is there really any question about Hunwick not being our 7th defensemen?

I kind of feel like he should be a lock at this point.

People keep mentioning Kostka....who I think has the tools, but can't put them together.

Honestly, I'm not even settling for Hunwick either, he's kind of impressed me up till now.

If the team werent stuck at 50 contracts, they'd probably waiver claim another guy to try

 

[a tribe cq]

If the team werent stuck at 50 contracts, they'd probably waiver claim another guy to try

I don't see why...?

He's done a good job on both ends of the ice, is mobile, and is making only $600k.

It all makes sense to me and I haven't seen Kostka or Kampfer or Allen for that matter outplay him.

 

[Kovalev27]

these are the 30 or so staying for now imo

Forwards:18

MSL Zucc Nash Brassard Miller Kreider Duclair Haggerty Hayes Kristo Glass Stempniak Fast Mueller Moore Malone Lombardi lindberg

Defense: 10

Moore Mcdonagh Girardi Staal Boyle Klein Allen Mcilrath Hunwick Kostka

Goalies: 3

Hank Talbot Desjardins

 

[AHB*]

Why in the world would they cut Haggerty after scoring 2 goals and an assist on an NHL goaltender who is capible, kid looks like a legit goal scorer. Atleast give him a second look before cutting him. No way we cut this kid, if he can be productive and have a positive impact on the Rangers there's no way.

He's still somewhat raw and there's no room for him on the roster, that said, may as well give him some more playing time against the big boys and get that experience with the group.

Regardless of last night's game, Haggerty is still behind to many guys to make the cut. Glass has certainly not played himself off the team, Duclair has been fantastic, Stempniak is making it, Hags, Kreids, Nash, MSL, Zucc are obviously locks and frankly Fast is still ahead of him also.

We have to much depth this year. Time in the A will do him good.