Pre-Game Talk: 2014 NHL Entry Draft (for non-6th overall pick discussion) - Part IX

[Vankiller Whale]

Any opinions on taking Czech D-man Dominik Masin in the 2nd or 3rd?

I wouldn't have a big problem picking him with a 2nd round pick, depending on who's still available... but if he drops to the 3rd I think he'd be a steal.

Would be good value in the 3rd, imo. Hard to see him being the BPA at 36 though, imo. But I wouldn't have a huge problem taking him there barring a huge faller like Ho-Sang.

 

[DadBod]

To sum up Pronman's top 10 list.

I gave the players who Pronman ranked #1 10pts, #2 9pts, #3 8pts and so on...all the way down to the #10 1pt

This will give all players a score, and will show who PRONMAN ranked the highest overall

Ekblad 27 points
Nylander 26 points
Bennett 23 points
Reinhart 20 points
Virtanen/Ritchie 19 points
MDC/Draisaitl 16 points
Ehlers/Kapanen 14 points


There's Pronman's top ten players based on those rankings.

 

[just22]

To sum up Pronman's top 10 list.

I gave the players who Pronman ranked #1 10pts, #2 9pts, #3 8pts and so on...all the way down to the #10 1pt

This will give all players a score, and will show who PRONMAN ranked the highest overall

Ekblad 27 points
Nylander 26 points
Bennett 23 points
Reinhart 20 points
Virtanen/Ritchie 19 points
MDC/Draisaitl 16 points
Ehlers/Kapanen 14 points


There's Pronman's top ten players based on those rankings.

Yeah... I never liked these.

edit. nvm I'm dumb.

 

[DadBod]

Yeah... I never liked these.

Someone who's 1st (10 points) isn't twice as good as someone 5th (5 points) as the numbers might lead you to believe.

I see what you mean but I don't think that's the point. It's just to give numerical statistics to see how often a player is ranked at the top of the list.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

So i decide it was time to get my final draft rankings up(note not a mock). Here's the format i'll use

#.Player,Position,Team League-Projection(high end)

1.Sam Reinhart,C, Kootenay WHL-65+Pt #1C B
2.Aaron Ekblad,D, Barrie OHL-35+Pt top pairing D B
3.Leon Draisaitl,C/LW, Prince Albert WHL-65+Pt #1C/W B
4.Sam Bennett,C/LW, Kingston OHL-60+Pt #2C/W B
5.Michael Dal Colle,LW, Oshawa OHL-65+Pt #1LW C

6.Nick Ritchie,LW, Peterbourgh OHL-55+Pt top 6 Powerforward B
7.Nick Ehlers,LW, Halifax QMJHL-60+Pt top 6 Skill winger C
8.Rob Fabbri,C, Guelph OHL-60+Pt #2C B
9.Ivan Barbashev,C/LW, Moncton QMJHL-55+Pt #2C A
10.Jake Virtanen,RW, Calgary WHL-55+Pt top 6 power winger B

Here's the top ten. I'll add the rest of the first round+2nd round soon.

As promised here's the rest of the 1st round.

note-was asked too add letter grades to denote probability of success, so A=Highly likely(70+%) B=likely(55+%) C=not likely(45+%) D=Highly unlikely(25+%).

note-all the % value means is how likely the players are too reach their projections ie if a player is rated 75+Pt winger with D grade they have a 25% chance of reaching, but a 75% of being a lesser player ie high risk.

11.William Nylander,C/RW, Modo SHL-70+Pt #1C/W C
12.Kevin Fiala,LW, HV71 FEL-65+Pt top 6 skill winger C
13.Haydn Fleury,D, Red Deer WHL-25+Pt top 4 D B
14.Dylan Larkin,C/LW, U.S NTDP USHL- 45+Pt top 9 C/W A
15.Jared Mccann,C, S.S.Marie OHL-45+Pt top 9 C B

16.Alex Tuch,RW, U.S NTDP USHL-40+Pt top 9 Powerforward B
17.Brendan Perlini,LW, Niagara OHL-60+Pt top 6 scoring winger D
18.Nikita Scherbak,LW/RW, Saskatoon WHL-55+Pt power winger C
19.Kasperi Kapanen,RW, KalPa FEL-55+Pt skill winger C
20.Travis Sanhiem,D, Calgary WHL-30+Pt top 4 D C

21.Jakob Vrana,LW/RW, Linkoping SHL-50+Pt top 6 scoring winger C
22.Julius Honka,D, Swift Current WHL-35+Pt PMD C
23.Nikolai Goldobin,RW, Sarina OHL-60+Pt top 6 skill winger D
24.David Pastrnak,LW, Sodertaljie SWE-50+Pt skill winger C
25.Josh Ho-Sang,RW, Windsor OHL-60+Pt skill winger D

26.Sonny Milano,LW, U.S NTDP USHL-50+Pt skill winger C
27.Roland Mckeown,D, Kingston OHL-25+Pt top 4 D C
28.Adrian Kempe,C/LW, Modo SHL-35+Pt top 9 Power winger B
29.Connor Bleackley,C, Red Deer WHL-35+Pt top 9 two-way C A
30.Jack Dougherty,D, U.S NTDP USHL-25+Pt top 4 D C

2nd Round will be up soon

 

[Superpest]

The Sedins are living proof that you can be elite by being smarter than everyone else, not cuz you're faster or have fancy puck handling skills (although their hands are pretty sweet anyways).

As is some dude name Wayne Gretzky

 

[Ho Borvat]

As is some dude name Wayne Gretzky

Never heard of him.

 

[CanaFan]

As promised here's the rest of the 1st round.

note-was asked too add letter grades to denote probability of success, so A=Highly likely(70+%) B=likely(55+%) C=not likely(45+%) D=Highly unlikely(25+%).

note-all the % value means is how likely the players are too reach their projections ie if a player is rated 75+Pt winger with D grade they have a 25% chance of reaching, but a 75% of being a lesser player ie high risk.

11.William Nylander,C/RW, Modo SHL-70+Pt #1C/W C
12.Kevin Fiala,LW, HV71 FEL-65+Pt top 6 skill winger C
13.Haydn Fleury,D, Red Deer WHL-25+Pt top 4 D B
14.Dylan Larkin,C/LW, U.S NTDP USHL- 45+Pt top 9 C/W A
15.Jared Mccann,C, S.S.Marie OHL-45+Pt top 9 C B

16.Alex Tuch,RW, U.S NTDP USHL-40+Pt top 9 Powerforward B
17.Brendan Perlini,LW, Niagara OHL-60+Pt top 6 scoring winger D
18.Nikita Scherbak,LW/RW, Saskatoon WHL-55+Pt power winger C
19.Kasperi Kapanen,RW, KalPa FEL-55+Pt skill winger C
20.Travis Sanhiem,D, Calgary WHL-30+Pt top 4 D C

21.Jakob Vrana,LW/RW, Linkoping SHL-50+Pt top 6 scoring winger C
22.Julius Honka,D, Swift Current WHL-35+Pt PMD C
23.Nikolai Goldobin,RW, Sarina OHL-60+Pt top 6 skill winger D
24.David Pastrnak,LW, Sodertaljie SWE-50+Pt skill winger C
25.Josh Ho-Sang,RW, Windsor OHL-60+Pt skill winger D

26.Sonny Milano,LW, U.S NTDP USHL-50+Pt skill winger C
27.Roland Mckeown,D, Kingston OHL-25+Pt top 4 D C
28.Adrian Kempe,C/LW, Modo SHL-35+Pt top 9 Power winger B
29.Connor Bleackley,C, Red Deer WHL-35+Pt top 9 two-way C A
30.Jack Dougherty,D, U.S NTDP USHL-25+Pt top 4 D C

2nd Round will be up soon

Great read, enjoyed the projections and addition of the probabilities of reaching. Can't really disagree with any of the rankings, outside of a couple spots here and there (I like Bleackley and Milano a bit higher, McCann a bit lower). Thanks for the write up.

 

[thefeebster]

Nice list OEL. Realistic projections, which is rare to see .

Just flipping through my mckeens ad wow it blows the hockey news out of the water. I love it I recommend it along with the black book

Yes, i enjoyed it. I recommend it as well, especially with the lowered price. Substantially better quality than THN for not much more.

Last year i got THN, but never looked at it again after my first read, as there is little substance there. With McKeen's, i feel there is a lot of good info there, and their scouting staff is much more respectable IMO. Very nice to look at too.

I agree, good balance with the Blackbook.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

Nice list OEL. Realistic projections, which is rare to see .

Thanks, and your right...HF can be a runaway train of crazy when it comes to projections on player potentials.

 

[DCantheDDad]

Thanks, and your right...HF can be a runaway train of crazy when it comes to projections on player potentials.

I don't know what you are talking about. Reinhart will be a god! 150 pt 1st line C A++++

 

[ahmon]

Thanks, and your right...HF can be a runaway train of crazy when it comes to projections on player potentials.

at times projections can be too optimistic.

But Reinhart absolute upside is 65 pt? and Ekblad is at 35pt?

Even Brent Seabrook has broken the 40 pt mark a couple times. Hard to see how Ekblad has a lower upside than him.

I think the top guys are too low, but the rest of the list is very good.

Anticipating round 2.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

at times projections can be too optimistic.

But Reinhart absolute upside is 65 pt? and Ekblad is at 35pt?

Even Brent Seabrook has broken the 40 pt mark a couple times. Hard to see how Ekblad has a lower upside than him.

I think the top guys are too low, but the rest of the list is very good.

Anticipating round 2.

I'd put money on 2-3 guys in the top, say 20, far exceeding their current projects when all is said and done. There's a superstar in there somewhere.

 

[topheavyhookjaw]

I'd put money on 2-3 guys in the top, say 20, far exceeding their current projects when all is said and done. There's a superstar in there somewhere.

Also the projections look relevant to the scoring environment. A 65 point 1st line center is probably in the top half of the league, say a top 20 C, given how few players crack even 60 points these days.

Also given a fortunate season, any of those guys may have 1 or two years that exceed those projections, but they all look like a good measure of what these players peak 5 years will average to (if they pan out).

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

Also the projections look relevant to the scoring environment. A 65 point 1st line center is probably in the top half of the league, say a top 20 C, given how few players crack even 60 points these days.

Also given a fortunate season, any of those guys may have 1 or two years that exceed those projections, but they all look like a good measure of what these players peak 5 years will average to (if they pan out).

Yeah definitely. I think it's a very solid approach to finding the "mean" value for each of them (at least that's what it looks like to me).

 

[thedavid]

at times projections can be too optimistic.

But Reinhart absolute upside is 65 pt? and Ekblad is at 35pt?

Even Brent Seabrook has broken the 40 pt mark a couple times. Hard to see how Ekblad has a lower upside than him.

I think the top guys are too low, but the rest of the list is very good.

Anticipating round 2.

Looks like you missed the "+" next to the point projections.

 

[Peter10]

Rankings...

No love for Demko?

Would like to have him with our 2nd rounder.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

No love for Demko?

Would like to have him with our 2nd rounder.

I'll have my second round up soon...spoiler alert Demko will be making a very early appearance.

 

[biturbo19]

No love for Demko?

Would like to have him with our 2nd rounder.

I think i'm definitely missing the hype train with Demko.

 

[Peter10]

I'll have my second round up soon...spoiler alert Demko will be making a very early appearance.

Like 36ish?

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Demi Lovato in the 2nd round? Done.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

Demi Lovato in the 2nd round? Done.

I'd package her up with the #6 for Selena Gomez

 

[GetFocht]

15 days until the draft!

One of my favorite days of the year, I usually barricade myself in my man cave glued to the computer and tv, constantly looking for new info on Canucks draftees.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

alright here's the first half of the 2nd round

31.Nick Schmaltz,RW, U.S NTDP USHL-50+Pt skill winger C
32.Thatcher Demko,G, BC HE-Starting Goalie C
33.Brett Pollock,LW, Edmonton WHL-45+Pt power winger C
34.Brendan Lemieux,LW, Barrie OHL-35+Pt grinding winger B
35.Eric Cornel,C/RW, Petebourgh OHL-40+Pt two-way C C

36.Jonathan Mcleod,D, U.S NTDP USHL-20+Pt D B
37.Marcus Pettersson,D, Skelleftea SHL-25+Pt two-way D C
38.Ryan Macinnis,C, Kitchener OHL-35+Pt Powerforward C
39.John Quenville,C, Brandon WHL-30+Pt two-way C B
40.Brayden Point,C/LW, Moose Jaw WHL-40+Pt skill forward C

41.Vladislav,C/LW, Magnitogorsk KHL-40+ two-way c C
42.Alex Nedeljkovic,G, Plymouth OHL-Starting Goalie C
43.Domink Maskin,D, HC Slavia Cze-25+Pt gritty D C
44.Nicolas Aube-Kubel,C/RW, Val D'Or QMJHL-40+ two-way forward C
45 Ryan Donato,C/Rw, Dexter USHS-40+Pt scoring winger C

The rest of the second round will be up tomorrow.

 

[Canucks LB]

So excited for draft. I can't wait