Yes, that's exactly right: Giroux is being pulled down, while Jbo is being pulled up. Giroux's faults are being exposed because his team sucks, while Jbo's are being hidden because his team is 4 points out of second with a game at hand. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?
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Yes, that's exactly right: Giroux is being pulled down, while Jbo is being pulled up. Giroux's faults are being exposed because his team sucks, while Jbo's are being hidden because his team is 4 points out of second with a game at hand. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?
that part where you leave a guy at home because he used to be "bad" or you think who is bad while he plays great but have no problem with taking a guy who plays...not great but you think he should or could be great so he's your man.
Perhaps I don't watch enough Montreal games to understand the concern some posters have but...
He won the Norris last year. He has 13 points in 14 games and is a +5. What gives? Why so many reservations?
He won the Norris last year. He has 13 points in 14 games and is a +5. What gives? Why so many reservations?
Duchene - Crosby - St. Louis
Nash - Toews - Sharp
Marleau - Nugent-Hopkins - Seguin
Whiney - MacKinnon - Iginla
Monahan
Pietrangelo - Weber
Keith - Doughty
Beauchemin - Boyle
Morris
Smith
Scrivens
See what I did there?
10 points for anyone who gets it
Nash - Toews - Sharp
Marleau - Nugent-Hopkins - Seguin
Whiney - MacKinnon - Iginla
Monahan
Pietrangelo - Weber
Keith - Doughty
Beauchemin - Boyle
Morris
Smith
Scrivens
See what I did there?
10 points for anyone who gets it
There is no excuse for leaving him off the team IMO. But I think this whole idea is just 'talking', and nothing more. It's not gonna happen. He's going to be a par of the team, I'm sure of it.
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The team stinks partially because he stinks. He was bad at last worlds as well. It's always possible that he just had one good year, and he isn't actually all that good. If you're taking guys based on history that are being dragged down by their team, why not take Lecavelier?
I also think Subban being on the team helps promote the sport to black Canadians. A Win-Win.
Based on recent NBA Drafts, we are losing some of our best and brightest athletes to basketball.
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I do think that it would be good promotion, but I doubt that guys like Thompson, Wiggins or Bennett would have been hockey players if not for basketball. Players that tall are such a rarity in hockey. Possibly someone like Kabongo or Joseph though. I think that the growth of Canadian basketball comes from increased exposure and improved infrastructure, but not really at the expense of hockey.
Right, because from that comment you've watched him play when he was in Calgary. That, or you lived in a hole during the 2012-2013 season.
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So, I watched the Jay Bouwmeester Highlights DVD, and oh no, wait, I didn't because it would be the most boring thing ever and nobody would ever compile such a thing because all he can do is skate with a nice stride.
Here's one of the best analyses of Bouwmeester I've ever seen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqof09PxEmM
He's casual. He's a passenger. He's the worst and I hate him.
He's not the worst, but there are tons of guys I would take before him. Hell, I'd take Phaneuf ahead of him, and that's saying something.
That interview was when Sutter was the coach in Calgary. Sutter sucked the daily living out of Boumeester, wouldn't let him create anything offensively, and basically made him become a stay-at-home defenseman. Under Hartley, Boumeester was a brand new player, as he was sound defensively, while producing offensively like he did in Florida. In 2012-2013, it was the best season we saw out of him and that was because of Hartley.
Gotta love "Mr. Norris'" play tonight: -2 and directly responsible for the third goal.
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Or 2012-2013 wasn't a full season, and one of us is putting more stock into 33 games (and on pace for his worst plus/minus season since his rookie year) than they are into his play over the course of the prior 3 seasons.
Your comment has made me feel the same: Did you watch Calgary games with your eyes closed throughout his tenure there?
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I think it's fair to say Luongo has easily held onto the #1 goalie role.
Matt duchene I believe is gonna sneak a spot, he has had a great start too the year.
Guys like holtby has had a rough start, Taylor hall has been pretty average this year, Subban looks like he took that #6 spot for canada.
Who do you guys have now, who stole a spot, who fell back?
I think it's fair to say Luongo has easily held onto the #1 goalie role.
Matt duchene I believe is gonna sneak a spot, he has had a great start too the year.
Guys like holtby has had a rough start, Taylor hall has been pretty average this year, Subban looks like he took that #6 spot for canada.
Who do you guys have now, who stole a spot, who fell back?
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Giroux seems to be squeezing his stick way too much.. I wouldn't leave him off but I can see why someone would.
Not sure how you can state, "it's fair to say Luongo has easily held onto the #1 goalie role." All 4 goalies he is considered to be competing with (Fleury, Price, Crawford, Smith) are doing well too. Plus Bernier and Reimer deserve to be in consideration, don't they?
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They'll be fine.
Kesler and Backes play on the same team and they absolutely loathe one another lol.
Bouwmeester isn't playing great, though; that was the entire point of what I typed. He's playing adequately on a great team. Much like how he was playing inadequately on a terrible team in Calgary.
Gotto love these comments. He probably must be perfect or better to make the team.
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I'm so worried about more injuries. With so much hitting, head-hunting and shot-blocking in today's NHL, they can't seem to get through a game without someone being carted off. The next three months are going to be nerve-wracking. If any one of Crosby, Toews or Stamkos go down, Canada is screwed.
When is Neal coming back? He doesn't seem to be on anybody's team. If he comes back in time and is able to pick up where he left off, he's a lock to me.
When is Neal coming back? He doesn't seem to be on anybody's team. If he comes back in time and is able to pick up where he left off, he's a lock to me.
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Canada is the country that should be least concerned with injuries. Anyone who goes down with an injury can be replaced with an elite player, outside of goal anyway. Even losing Crosby wouldn't be a huge issue.
I find it highly amusing that you didn't read my post that was below the one you quoted.
And the +/- stat is pretty redundant, considering the Flames had one of the worst seasons in franchise history. It's not like Boumeester was the only player on the team who were in the negatives and that Stajan had the best +/- on the team with a +7. Yeah, the team as a whole played good defensively last season.
Here, let me requote what I said:
Stat watching isn't everything my friend, you gotta watch the game(s) to understand.
But, if you want to talk stats, Boumeester only had a combined total of 12 goals in three seasons when under Brent Sutter in Calgary. He had a combined total of 53 goals when in Florida. This has to set off an alarm, suggesting that maybe, just maybe, the coach had something to do with Boumeester's goal/point deduction. When Hartley came on as coach, Boumeester had 6 goals in 33 games, which would amount to 15 goals (there about). Now, when Boumeester was traded to St.Louis, who is more of a defensive team, Boumeester's goal production dropped, but still racked up the points. Plus, his +/- was a +9 in 2012-2013.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that Sutter held Boumeester back.
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Jay-Bo has been amazing for the Blues so far this season. I had a negative opinion of him when he was traded to the Blues but he's been great. He has 9 pts in 12 games and leads the team in +/- at +10. He's an amazing skater, super calm under pressure and not bad in the offensive zone either. With his chemistry with Petro and Canada's lack if lefty d-men, he will likely make the team.
It's more to point out the hypocrisy of using random anecdotes to justify not putting Letang on the team while Subban takes a free pass. For example:
How is he mistake prone? How is he a defensive liability and weak on the Powerplay when the's the QB? How is last year's Norris runner-up "just terrible" when he's actually playing better than last year?
How is bringing last year's Norris runner-up "over thinking this" when it's really essentially under thinking it?
It wasn't a reply to me...
I do watch Calgary games, I watch most games that are on TV and it's not like he was some shining beacon of defensive responsible.And the +/- stat is pretty redundant, considering the Flames had one of the worst seasons in franchise history. It's not like Boumeester was the only player on the team who were in the negatives and that Stajan had the best +/- on the team with a +7. Yeah, the team as a whole played good defensively last season.
Here, let me requote what I said:
Stat watching isn't everything my friend, you gotta watch the game(s) to understand.
Offensively perhaps, but JBo's a defenceman and that demonstrated exactly why he shouldn't be on the team: We don't need defencemen who are defensive liabilities.
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